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The Last Stand of the English Red Squirrel, and my Red Squirrel Quest.... (1 Viewer)

Hi Alan, details of another Northumbrian location for you, wife and I watched 4 Reds chasing each other on Sunday 20/2, very suitable habitat and a smallish area so easily covered. Chesterwood to Lipwood Hall, approx 1 mile west of Haydon Bridge ( just off the main A69 road). Landranger sheet 87, NY824 650.

Hope of some help, very interesting spot, friend of the wife tells me residents in some of the properties feed birds and regularly have Reds visit..

Stewart

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Bugger, logged out!!

Sorry, lots written, logged out, slightly annoyed.

Overview:
Reds out-competed by greys
Formby reds are from Europe
Greys do come in after reds get disease, but would come in anyway
For Wales red squirrel news go to www.wildlifeservices.co.uk/redsquirrels.htm
For any questions on reds and greys, feel free to ask, as spent the last 4+ years involved in red squirrel conservation
Why isn't more being done by the conservation bodies?
The only place where reds have recolonised ground from the greys is on Anglesey where greys were 'removed'
The only reintroduction in England & Wales which is likely to succeed is on Anglesey, and the CCW want to knock part of the forest down!!
Does anyone know of any other reintroductions going on at the moment? I don't!
 
We are fortunate in having a mobile home on a small private site in Nether Wasdale, Cumbria.
Red Squirrels are still common in the area, in fact we get them regularly on the peanut feeders, especially in the winter months. Great place for birding too!

Maurice
 
Wildlife Ranger said:
Why isn't more being done by the conservation bodies?

It seems that the only thing going on is surveys, monitoring and forestry management plans.

I'm not too sure how effective "removing" greys actually is. Obviously this has worked in Anglesey due to its isolation but i'm sure ive read in several papers that removing greys is only effective in slowing spread into local areas and on a large scale just wouldn't be possible.

there were plans at one point in newcastle involving the several organisations to participate in a removal program in many of the parks and denes in the area. when i contacted the parties involved for news this was the reply...

"Unfortunately the 2 month trapping period in Newcastle did not go ahead. The denes which were to be trapped were visited by myself, a city council ranger and 2 grey squirrel control contractors. Although the woods themselves appeared to offer good opportunities for grey squirrel control there was a great deal of concern about the public use of the woods. The woods are heavily used by a range of people, and although there are footpaths there are also many other tracks throughout which people have made themselves. This would have led to difficulties with the traps; they may have been discovered and disturbed or stolen and this may well have led to animal welfare difficulties.

There was also an issue of personal safety for the contractors; the woods are used at all times of the day and night and it was not felt that a contractor would be safe working there on their own.

However, this is not to say that grey squirrel control will not take place in other areas of Newcastle in the future.

If the denes had been in remote parts of Northumberland these issues may not have been a problem. There is an amount of grey squirrel control taking place in strategic areas of Northumberland, undertaken using a grant from the Forestry Commission. Trapping in some areas has enabled the red squirrel population to persist for longer than would have been predicted. However in many areas the trapping is done by a few landowners but not all, we are continually trying to increase landowner participation and cooperation in order to have the maximum benefit to the red squirrel population.

A programme of grey squirrel control on Anglesey has been very effective for red squirrel conservation, you may wish to read more about it on websites such as http://www.redsquirrels.info/.

If you have further queries or would like additional information please do not hesitate to contact me"
 
Grey Squirrel Menace

steve55 said:
It seems that the only thing going on is surveys, monitoring and forestry management plans.

I'm not too sure how effective "removing" greys actually is. Obviously this has worked in Anglesey due to its isolation but i'm sure ive read in several papers that removing greys is only effective in slowing spread into local areas and on a large scale just wouldn't be possible.

A programme of grey squirrel control on Anglesey has been very effective for red squirrel conservation, you may wish to read more about it on websites such as http://www.redsquirrels.info/.

Surveys, monitoring and forestry management plans are a waste of time if nothing is done to remove/reduce the grey squirrel threat.
As you say, the (relative) isolation of Anglesey helped tremendously, and it was surprising how difficult it was to significantly reduce the greys, even here. They are extremely resilient, prolific and nomadic, so even if you clear an area of greys, any others within a few miles will soon move in. Therefore, in most of the UK, localised trapping would just put off the inevitable - the extinction of the reds. The only option would be a UK-wide control programme, but the immuno-contraception idea has been shelved, so where does that leave us? Simple, with fewer and fewer reds.

Leaving trapping to landowners and householders is, in my experience, ineffective, as they do not generally put in the level of effort required to a) remove sufficient numbers of grey squirrels, and b) to ensure that the trapping is done humanely.

A large part of the ongoing success of the Anglesey Red Squirrel Project is due to the support of local people, many of whom have joined the Friends of the Anglesey Red Squirrels (link above), with which I am closely involved. I would encourage anyone on this forum who wishes to help red squirrels, and not just in Wales, to join the Friends to show your support for this endangered mammal.
 
I know wildly off topic here but have just spent the last week in strathspey where the Red squiggles as my kids like to call them are doing exceptionally well and even better news no sightings of greys being reported. Indeed they are totally engaging animals, to the point I was sat on a small hill, in the snow with a 100-400 lens on my camera at times they were too close to photograph, but they do look so wonderful in the snow!
 

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Hi All,

Thanks for the posts.

StuartLawrie, that is an excellent photo of the Red Squirrel in Strathspey - thanks for putting it up.

Wildlife Ranger and Steve 55 - you both make a lot of valid and interesting points. Although I would gently point out that some of them I had already discussed in some of my earlier posts on the thread, it was good to have further detail re things like the Anglesey project.

StewartJ. and Maurice - thanks for the tips re extra sites.

And Stewart, keep a look out for the post I'm putting on later - good news re the survival of one of your posts lost in the Great Crash!
 
A January Post Survives the Great Crash....

Many threads suffered during the wipeout caused by the Great Crash, where everything from mid-December to mid-February was lost. As noted last week, this thread lost 30 posts. I replaced one of mine, above [post 80], and will also redo my other main one lost, shortly.

However, I have also found two survivors from the Great Crash. In January Stewart J. and Harry [Northumberland Harry, not Harry Hussey!] both posted on this thread on where to find Red Squirrels in Northumberland.

Now, because I was planning a trip up there in February (now postponed until the spring) I copied and printed off both those posts. So they therefore survived - via these copies - the Crash! So I shall type them both out again, to restore them to the thread:

And here is Stewart's:

Yo Alan

Local Red sites as follows,
Lambley/South Tyne trail, Lambley village located just south of Haltwhitle, park in village, check churchyard trees, Reds often seen between village and Lambley viaduct along footpath, present in fewer numbers further along trail (keeping to west bank although often seen in trees around Eals village on east side of river).
Allen Banks/Ridley Hall area, (East of Bardon Mill) in car park and anywhere along footpath both sides of river as far as Plankey Mill 2 miles up river.
Beltingham village and churchyard (near Ridley Hall) very good area.
Staward Peel & Gorge (near Langley village) - excellent spot and local pub the Carts Bog does great bar meals.
Langley Woods although private there is a fishermans' path around lake and plenty of Reds.
Kingswood Burn (east of Staward Peel)
Elrington (east of Haydon Bridge) - lovely woodland walk.
River Allen from Cupola bridge to Whitfield Hall, walk along road (road signs warning of Red Squirrels)
Allendale to Allenheads regularly seen in roadside trees when driving.
Woods near Sandyford Rigg just south of Haltwhistle.
Park village area (south of Haltwhistle) lots suitable habitat.
Howsthat to be going on with? None of these are sensitive or private sites and all are well known Red areas.

Best wishes
Stewart

PS...Fourstones to Settlingstones (just to north between Hexham and Haydon Bridge minor road) check out trees/woods on roadsides; again Red Squirrel road signs along this route.

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There we are [this is Alan again] - retrieved. A valuable record of quite a few south-west Northumberland Red squirrel sites is saved for posterity.

Harry's to follow when I get another window of opportunity soon....
 
As does another one.....

And here is Harry's saved post, re-typed by me from my copy as outlined above:

They are still quite a common species in Northumberland but you have to know where to look for them. If you have the time, I would suggest going to the pine woodlands around Prestwick Carr, near Newcastle airport, Dipton wood to the SE of Hexham, Slaley Forest also to the SE of Hexham, Stewartshields Plantation on the Otterburn Military Ranges (access to the public most of the time). The Wark/Kielder Forest is also good but you will need access keys for the forest gates. Be warned though, they are not tame and are difficult to find, you are more likely to see evidence of their presence in the way of chewed pine cones than see the actual animal.

I spend many weeks a year in these woodlands so have a better opportunity to see them than most casual visitors, but if you are lucky you may get to see them. In fact they are present in nearly all the pine woodlands in the county; all you need to see them is time, and more importantly, patience.
Good luck,

Harry



So another useful post saved! Though I would add the following provisos: firstly, someone wrote in in reply to the original version of Harry's post, in January, and pointed out that, sadly, Greys were now abundant in Dipton wood; and secondly, so far (and I hope it continues!) I have had a pretty good track record of seeing Reds. To Harry's time and patience (both very important) I would add "looking and listening skills" - also important.

In fact, I remember the gist of several other lost posts, as well as that Dipton one - at least three others, in fact. These include a quick one of mine saying that I was planning a trip to Hexham area (hence the replies of Stewart and Harry) and one of Gill's agreeing with my recommending the herb garden on Hadrian's Wall near Chesters, and confirming that you can visit the woods there in winter (I think I'm remembering that right, Gill?), and another quick one of mine thanking Gill, Stewart, Harry and some others for their posts.

So that's one big post repeated (post 80), two other posts saved and retyped (posts 88 and this one, above), and four others with the gist given, above. Seven out of 30 saved in some form so far is not bad - you must admit that this thread is making a determined effort to minimise the losses!
 
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[The following is a replacement for the other big posting I did here that was lost in the Great Crash.]

The Last Stand in Merseyside and Lancashire

The next stage in my quest took me to Merseyside and Lancashire. I took my mum, a keen birder (and the subject of one of my threads last year in Your Birding Day), who fancied a trip to the west coast to see some Red Squirrels.

We went to Formby, a trip I was anticipating in some of my earlier posts here. A Scouser mate of mine who used to live near there warned me the Squirrels were becoming harder to see - but happily we had no difficulty at all. Almost as soon as we set off into the woods there we started seeing the Red Squirrels.

They looked very attractive and appealing. They had various shades of darker fur than some strains of Red squirrel, but I was pleased to see that it was still a lot redder than I was expecting (having seen one picture of Formby Reds looking black!).

In around three quarters of an hour we saw over 20 different Red squirrels - around 24 - even allowing for some of those we saw being the same ones reappearing. It was pleasing to see so many - a sign of a flourishing colony, despite the fact that the Greys are now just a few miles away, and despite the fact that there was a case of the dreaded parapox virus there last year.

The origin of the Formby Reds was something someone asked about by Beany on an earlier post. I asked, and it transpires that the population there is comprised of a mixture of introductions from the Continent in the 19th century, and the local indigenous population.

My mum and I then went over the border into Lancashire proper. The story of the Reds in Lancashire, as opposed to that of those in neighbouring Merseyside, is a very sad one. Even a decade ago there were still viable colonies of Reds in Lancashire - but by the end of the 1990s these had nearly all gone. Indeed, in 2004 during my research for this quest, one Lancashire wildlife expert told me that there were no Red squirrels left in Lancashire.

However, this proved to be pessimistic. Other Lancashire wildlife experts pointed out to me that there was still a remnant of a population in a few areas, comprising of a mixture of a handful of survivors, and juveniles branching out from the Merseyside population.

And, although these remnants were virtually impossible to locate, because they were fragmented, very small, and often based in private gardens, orchards, etc, we did have a rather good alternative. One helpful man at the LWT had told me of a population officially over the county border in Lancashire which was viewable - the colony in Southport Crematorium. Southport itself is in Merseyside, but the Crematorium, several miles to the east, is in Lancashire.

So off we went there - and we saw lovely views of one Red squirrel, which kept reappearing at the feeder that they have there. It had superb plumage, and was noticeably lighter than any of the Red Squirrels at Formby. This suggested to me that there might not be as much similarity between the Merseyside/Formby Reds and those next door in Lancs as is usually assumed.

What was of concern, though, was that in all the time we were there, we only saw the one. Now it is true that some others probably had better things to do than visit the feeder during the hour or so we were there - but you'd have thought that a fair number would in any given population. It suggested to us that the population there was small. And sure enough, when I checked a few weeks later with the man who had recommended the site, he said that there were three or four breeding females there - not a huge number. How long can this outpost at the Crematorium - the only established population of Reds left in Lancashire proper, and with Greys a few miles away - survive?

Even the famous Formby Reds are under threat. However, in the meantime, both the Formby population (plus a few others in Merseyside, apparently) and the Southport Crematorium outpost, survive and have viable populations. And the Red squirrels in both places were a delight to watch!
 
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Hi Alan,

I have just leaqrnt there is an healthy population of reds in Jersey. A bit out of the way but still part of the UK. Not sure if you knew this but would be a bonus if you ever found yourself lost over there.
 
Andrew said:
Hi Alan,

I have just leaqrnt there is an healthy population of reds in Jersey. A bit out of the way but still part of the UK. Not sure if you knew this but would be a bonus if you ever found yourself lost over there.



Hi Andrew,

Thanks for this. I did know about them, but it's good that you put a note on the thread for the record. And as they are, as you rightly say, part of the UK Red Squirrels, I shall be including them when my quest branches out to include the UK later in the year.
 
Hi Alan,
We saw a red squirrel on Sunday at the Killhope Lead mine/ Wheel museum in Northumberland. They have a woodland walk and a red squirrel feeding station with hide.
I haven't read back to see if this location has been listed before
 
still active at the feeding station at bassenwhaite osprey viewpoint, cumbria. sometimes they are the only squirrels you see all day.

getting harder to spot in gateshead though, aint seen one for a long time, but they are still around.
 
Hi Dampflippers,

Yes, Killhope Mine was mentioned in a previous post - mine at post 34, where I gave an account of my visit.

Glad to hear, though, of your more recent sighting.


Hi All,

Just a note on missing posts in the Great Crash. As posts 89 and 90 showed, I managed to retrieve - in entirety or in part - 8 out of the 30 posts lost from this thread in the crash. I have details of two more, which I have remembered: a BF member from Cumbria noted that he had a thriving Red squirrel population in his part of (central, if I recall correctly) Cumbria, because his local Red squirrel group, of whihc he is a leading member, kept the greys firmly at bay. I replied saying that this was good news indeed. So that's two more posts with the gists saved. Ten out of thirty saved is not bad, as most threads' losses were permanent.

Next stage of quest [many of the early posters on the thread asked to be kept informed]: Cumbria in a few weeks time. Combined with my annual visit to see the Golden eagle!

Gill, I haven't forgotten Northumberland - hope to get up soon!
 
Right I remember seeing one at Bassenthwaite in May 2004 and another at Smardale Gill - I was busy searching for Wood Warbler, Pied Fly and Redstart at the time (Nothing found) but the little chaps was ample compensation.

The ever advancing Greys seem very active in my garden now.
 
I have just remembered another two posts lost in the Great Crash, to add to the 10 I've retrieved at least the gist of. Ronald Zee wrote in with some kind compliments about how much he enjoyed this thread, and then he shared about Red Squirrels over in his neck of the woods. I then posted to thank him for his contribution.

So that's 12 out of the 30 retrieved at least in outline - I am clawing back these lost posts!

Cumbria beckons in just over a week - I have already seen one there [see first post of this thread] years ago, but I aim to see another to make it within the time frame of my quest [which should keep Elizabeth happy - see her early post].

As noted a few posts ago [and also, indeed, way back in post 12], I'm combining it with my usual Golden Eagle trip there. Interestingly, whereas I always see great views of the Eagle [formerly plural, alas], I keep meeting people who have seen Red Squirrels dash across that long single track road down by Haweswater, but [he growled] none have ever done that for me!
 
The plight of the Red is really sad. I was walking the woods here in Germany the other week and had a chat with 2 people on horses. Telling them I had seen a red squirrel and they replied "What other colours are there, we only have Red"! Just shows how the UK has been screwed around with!!
 
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