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[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

We, Andrew Tilsley and myself, are pleased to announce that our article: A replacement name for Salsolicola Oatley, 2004 (Aves: Muscicapidae), preoccupied by Salsolicola Kuznetsov, 1960 (Lepidoptera: Tortricidae), is published in the journal Zootaxa.

Tilsley Andrew and Gaudin Jimmy (2023). A replacement name for Salsolicola Oatley, 2004 (Aves: Muscicapidae), preoccupied by Salsolicola Kuznetsov, 1960 (Lepidoptera: Tortricidae). Zootaxa 5271 (1): 196–200.

A replacement name for Salsolicola Oatley, 2004 (Aves: Muscicapidae), preoccupied by Salsolicola Kuznetsov, 1960 (Lepidoptera: Tortricidae) | Zootaxa

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Say hello to Karoocichla nomen novum
Type species: Sylvia coryphoeus Vieillot, 1817 (now Aedonopsis coryphoeus, or Karoocichla coryphoeus)

Of course, Karoocichla is not homonym of Karrucincla even of the spelling and the meaning are almost similar

 

[gusasp]

Just read the following:

Alaei Kakhki, N., Schweizer, M., Lutgen, D., Bowie, R.C.K., Shirihai, H., Suh, A., Schielzeth, H. & Burri, R. (2022). A phylogenomic assessment of processes underpinning convergent evolution in open-habitat chats. Molecular Biology and Evolution 40

A bit blown away by the position of Hume's Wheatear (Oenanthe albonigra). The authors write: "In the picata complex, Oenanthe albonigra that by mitochondrial data was considered a sister taxon to the picata complex, was placed within the latter as a sister taxon to the phenotypically almost identical Oenanthe picata picata by nuclear data".

In all other studies I've seen, picata is sister to Brown Rock Chat (O. fusca), while Hume's is sister to White-crowned (O. leucopyga), well away in the phylogeny. Voice also differs profoundly as does size and body plan.

Could someone elucidate? Sample error?

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Ficedula timorensis (Hellmayr, 1919) is a new name for Saxicola pyrrhonotus Müller, 1843, deemed preoccupied by Oenanthe pyrrhonota Vieillot, 1818. But why ? Pyrrhonotus and pyrrhonota don't have the same spelling and have not been described in the same genus.

 

[l_raty]

Ficedula timorensis (Hellmayr, 1819) is a new name for Saxicola pyrrhonotus Müller, 1843, deemed preoccupied by Oenanthe pyrrhonota Vieillot, 1818. But why ? Pyrrhonotus and pyrrhonota don't have the same spelling and have not been described in the same genus.

They have the same spelling except for the ending, which gender agreement will make identical when the names are combined with any given generic name.
Hellmayr 1919 (not 1819) regarded the valid combination Saxicola caprata pyrrhonota (Vieillot 1818) as conflicting with the original combination Saxicola pyrrhonotus Müller 1843.

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

They have the same spelling except for the ending, which gender agreement will make identical when the names are combined with any given generic name.
Hellmayr 1919 (not 1819) regarded the valid combination Saxicola caprata pyrrhonota (Vieillot 1818) as conflicting with the original combination Saxicola pyrrhonotus Müller 1843.

Today, there is no risk that they will belong to the same genus, one is a Ficedula, the other a Saxicola. It is not possible to restore the original name pyrrhonotus Müller, 1843 ?

 

[l_raty]

Today, there is no risk that they will integrate the same genys. It is not possible to restore the original name pyrrhonotus Müller, 1843 ?

I don't think so.
This as a form of secondary homonymy, and the original name was replaced before 1961 -- this should make it permanently invalid as per Art. 59.3.

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

I don't think so.
This as a form of secondary homonymy, and the original name was replaced before 1961 -- this should make it permanently invalid as per Art. 59.3.

It's right, I always forget this rule

 

[gusasp]

Just read the following:

Alaei Kakhki, N., Schweizer, M., Lutgen, D., Bowie, R.C.K., Shirihai, H., Suh, A., Schielzeth, H. & Burri, R. (2022). A phylogenomic assessment of processes underpinning convergent evolution in open-habitat chats. Molecular Biology and Evolution 40

A bit blown away by the position of Hume's Wheatear (Oenanthe albonigra). The authors write: "In the picata complex, Oenanthe albonigra that by mitochondrial data was considered a sister taxon to the picata complex, was placed within the latter as a sister taxon to the phenotypically almost identical Oenanthe picata picata by nuclear data".

In all other studies I've seen, picata is sister to Brown Rock Chat (O. fusca), while Hume's is sister to White-crowned (O. leucopyga), well away in the phylogeny. Voice also differs profoundly as does size and body plan.

Could someone elucidate? Sample error?

No one? Laurent?

 

[l_raty]

No one? Laurent?

I can't find their data, unfortunately.

But I agree with you -- the position of O. albonigra based on mitochondrial genomes in this study is contradicted by apparently congruent mtDNA data from multiple independent sources. A sample error or contamination seems to be the easiest explanation.

(Note that the final version of the paper is freely available from the publisher's website : A Phylogenomic Assessment of Processes Underpinning Convergent Evolution in Open-Habitat Chats .)

 

[mb1848]

Ficedula timorensis (Hellmayr, 1919) I am sure Laurent is correct. I am just a little stuck.

30.1.4.2. A genus-group name that is or ends in a word of common or variable gender (masculine or feminine) is to be treated as masculine unless its author, when establishing the name, stated that it is feminine or treated it as feminine in combination with an adjectival species-group name [Art. 31.2].

Examples. Bos is of common gender (meaning ox or cow); it and compound names ending in it (such as Ovibos), are treated as masculine. Compound Latin nouns ending in -cola (masculine or common gender in Latin): Agricola ("tiller of fields", masculine in Latin) is masculine, Sylvicola ("inhabitant of woods") and Monticola ("highlander") are treated as masculine. Petricola ("dweller among rocks", common gender in Latin) is feminine because it was originally treated as feminine by being combined with the specific names costata, striata and sulcata.
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It is my position that Saxicola is female because its author treated that way by listing as its first species as Saxicola oenanthe.
Ornithologisches Taschenbuch von und für Deutschland, oder, Kurze Beschreibung aller Vögel Deutschlands für Liebhaber dieses Theils der Naturgeschichte - Biodiversity Heritage Library .
Holotype of Vieillot . Specimen - Holotype Œnanthe pyrrhonota Vieillot, 1818 .
OD same. t.21 (1818) - Nouveau dictionnaire d'histoire naturelle - Biodiversity Heritage Library .
Muller OD. [v.1] Land-en Volkenkunde - Verhandelingen over de natuurlijke geschiedenis der Nederlandsche overzeesche bezittingen - Biodiversity Heritage Library .
Bonaparte used the female ending.
t.1 (1850) - Conspectus generum avium - Biodiversity Heritage Library .
?? https://www.zoonomen.net/cit/RI/SP/Rupi/rupi00536a.jpg .

 

[l_raty]

It is my position that Saxicola is female because its author treated that way by listing as its first species as Saxicola oenanthe.

Oenanthe is a noun in apposition, not an adjective. It provides no indication about the gender of the noun it was apposed to.

 

[mb1848]

"Oenanthe is a noun in apposition, not an adjective. It provides no indication about the gender of the noun it was apposed to."
I always forget that one and a lot of others. The second species of the genus is S. rubetra and the third is S. acquatica and 4th S. rubicola.
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[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Who has ever seen Vauriella goodfellowi in the wild and can it tell us what its behavior is in comparison to close genera?

 

[Markus Lagerqvist]

Who has ever seen Vauriella goodfellowi in the wild and can it tell us what its behavior is in comparison to close genera?

I've seen in on Mount Apo. It was found sitting still on a branch in a rather upright posture in a shady spot, hight about eye level.

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

I've seen in on Mount Apo. It was found sitting still on a branch in a rather upright posture in a shady spot, hight about eye level.

Would you compare his behavior to Muscicapini or Vauriella to get a vague idea?

 

[Markus Lagerqvist]

Would you compare his behavior to Muscicapini or Vauriella to get a vague idea?

Hard to tell from one rather brief obseravation, also the only "genuine" Vauriella I've seen is gularis, but that was over 20 years ago...
But was sitting still low down in undergrowth, not hawking from an exposed perch higher up, like some other flycatchers.

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Please, can anyone get this paper?

Hosner, P.A., Campillo, L.C., Andersen, M.J., Sanchez-Gonzalez, L.A., Oliveros, C.H., Urriza, R.C. & Moyle, R.G. 2018. An integrative species delimitation approach reveals fine-scale endemism and substantial unrecognised avian diversity in the Philippine Archipelago. Conservation Genetics 19: 1153-1168.

 

[l_raty]

Hosner, P.A., Campillo, L.C., Andersen, M.J., Sanchez-Gonzalez, L.A., Oliveros, C.H., Urriza, R.C. & Moyle, R.G. 2018. An integrative species delimitation approach reveals fine-scale endemism and substantial unrecognised avian diversity in the Philippine Archipelago. Conservation Genetics 19: 1153-1168.

Hosner et al. - 2018 - An integrative species delimitation approach revea.pdf

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(If this doesn't work, go here and click the pdf link.)

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Hosner et al. - 2018 - An integrative species delimitation approach revea.pdf

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(If this doesn't work, go here and click the pdf link.)

Thank you

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Hosner et al. - 2018 - An integrative species delimitation approach revea.pdf

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(If this doesn't work, go here and click the pdf link.)

An interesting sentence:

"In Cyornis ruficauda (the only focal species found outside the Philippine archipelago), Philppine populations were monophyletic, but were related to Philippine endemics Vauriella (Rhinomyias/Cyornis) albigularis (Western Visayas) and C. herioti (Luzon group) rather than the Bornean C. ruficauda population (only Philippine samples shown in Fig. 3)."