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Optical Realities (1 Viewer)

WJC

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Lately, I have posted some graphics that have gotten traction with the rank and file. So, here’s another. Dick Suiter created this for his book, Star Testing Astronomical Telescopes.

While birders tend to blame almost all anomalies on some perceived fault with the binocular, the graphic could be modified to suit binocular observers.

Bill
 

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I suspect there may be a few that got left out of that, although I have no idea what they may be.

In a decent binocular, steadiness of the atmosphere becomes significant, even at 8X over distances greater than 50 - 100 yards, in my experience.
 
Let's go one step further and apply a similar illustration, describing all the possible errors of the mind, to the creator of this optical errors illustration. It now becomes impossible to believe it or make any statement about life at all. 200IQ.

(random google search pics to follow ;) )

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When I have dark-plumage Redwings to look at (as I have during recent days here on Islay), not to mention Choughs, Whooper Swans, Barnacle Geese, Otters and Grey Seals, I don't care which binos I am looking through or what their deficiencies are........

Lee
 
When I have dark-plumage Redwings to look at (as I have during recent days here on Islay), not to mention Choughs, Whooper Swans, Barnacle Geese, Otters and Grey Seals, I don't care which binos I am looking through or what their deficiencies are........

Lee
I would care….a lot.
 
There’s definitely a number of “faults” listed in WJC’s delightful graphic that applies to several top end bins from Leica and I don’t mean that arising from wee🕷 ingress!

LGM
 
Somehow... I doubt Lee even has binos with lots of "deficiencies", at least those that might become annoying.
That being said - what would bother you most?
Bingo! I was going to post this.

Anyone can find a “defect” in almost anything, and some seem to search hard and obsessively.

I was not thrilled with the “rolling ball” in my EL SV, or the occasional “kidney bean” in my Victory SF. I accept them as part of the “deal” and realize that my ultimate choice would have been to simply not buy them. But buy them I did, and use them I do.
 
I've acquired a few more binos than I need the past two years. I have found discernible differences between the non-alpha, near-alpha, and alpha. E.g. My Trinovids were distinctly better than my Terras. The Ultravids better than the Trinnies (but not the Retros). But when comparing same-tier binos, even after having read the countless threads regarding all the qualities and failings, I often simply cannot see noticeable differences in-the-field. I suppose if was looking at views simultaneously side-by-side (e.g. a photo of the views showing color bias), I would see it. But even sitting on patio swapping binos back and forth, my brain just can't retain the critical info and I can only react with a 'gut' feeling of 'wow these are sharp/crisp/lovely' vs 'dunno why they don't inspire'. Perhaps its aging eyes?

I have been going back and forth between UV8x42's and 8x40SFL since yesterday midday, trying to decide if I need/want the SFL's and frankly I can tell no substantive OPTICAL difference. Not saying they aren't different (flat field, FOV, etc.) but nothing that is more important than just which package I prefer.

Bingo! I was going to post this.

Anyone can find a “defect” in almost anything, and some seem to search hard and obsessively.

I was not thrilled with the “rolling ball” in my EL SV, or the occasional “kidney bean” in my Victory SF. I accept them as part of the “deal” and realize that my ultimate choice would have been to simply not buy them. But buy them I did, and use them I do.
Truth.
I've found that price does (at least ballpark) correlate to quality tier (mid, almost-alpha, alpha, etc.). And within a tier, the discussions while true, are VERY fine nuances. I found a huge leap from 60's Trinovid to Terra and from there another step up to modern Trinovid HD. Then came Ultravids, again noticeably better than the Trinovids. When I say noticeable, I mean something my wife - not an optics nerd! - could see when asked to 'pick which one you think is a better view'. But when I compare my new-to-me SFL's to the UV's (8x40 vs 8x42), I really have to struggle to characterize what differences I see. Yes, I can sort of speak to the color, eye-box, flat or pincushion field, sharpness, etc. but overall it's just an impression that they are in the same league and both have superb IQ.
OTOH, what DOES seem VERY apparent is the different mfg's philosophy and style. The haptics and ergos, the build, the location of focus knob, weight, center of gravity, etc. seem quite distinct and it's that 'personality' which ultimately leads me to pick one bino over the other. That a handful of folks occasionally see a ring/glare/whatever, seems of academic interest but FOR ME of little practical importance. Not saying it's not real - just that unless I suffer it, it makes no difference and clearly it's not the norm. Even CA, seems something that unless I look for it, I'm just not thinking about much. yes, I've looked at dark birds on a dark skyline and wished for more mag, less CA, etc. but it doesn't DRIVE my birding or choice of optics.
 
Somehow... I doubt Lee even has binos with lots of "deficiencies", at least those that might become annoying.
That being said - what would bother you most?
For me it's CA when birding. Those green fringes on black birds - I can't stand those.
I’ve had bins that glare so bad, in some situations they are nearly useless.
 
There's often a surprise lurking.
A few weeks ago I was trying some binoculars for sale set out on a bench inside the reserve centre.
We had NL and Steiner Discovery with us to compare, and first tried the SF, NL, NV available. Of course you need to go outside to really see, but we were tired and ready for home. They were all good looking through the windows.

Then I tried the RSPB 8x42 & 10x42 HDX, which are about £700, not cheap. A truly astounding view that took me back to my childhood using a kaleidoscope; there was a bright rainbow of yellow/green/magenta CA around the edges of nearly everything, seen in both binoculars.
I can only guess it was something to do with looking through the windows of the building combined with those RSPB(Viking?) optics?
 
Binocollector is right. I use Zeiss SF 8x32, 10x32, Zeiss Conquest HD 8x32, Leica Trinovid HD 8x32, Meopta MeoStar 8x32 B1, 10x32 B1, Opticron Traveller 8x32, 10x32 so I haven't got any binos with any 'glaring deficiencies'.

Lee
Just out of interest, with that many fine binoculars to compare, where does the Meopta 8x32 B1 sit in the line with regards to image quality, especially against the Conquests.... I don't expect it would be matching the SF's !!
 
Just out of interest, with that many fine binoculars to compare, where does the Meopta 8x32 B1 sit in the line with regards to image quality, especially against the Conquests.... I don't expect it would be matching the SF's !!
Bearing in mind that I am more interested in whether binos can deliver enjoyable and informative nature observations rather than come up with high marks after a forensic technical assessment of their optical performance I would place the MeoStar on an equal level with Conquest HD but its focus speed is almost half as slow as the Conquest so it may be best suited to different habitats and different users. By the way my remarks shouldn't be taking as damning the MeoStar with faint praise, I have mine with me now on Islay.

Lee
 
I had 42s and a 56 in the past but my lung condition (Ideopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis, which is terminal) meant that I had to seriously reduce the weight I was carrying so I migrated to 32s.

Lee
As a third generation coal miner from southeastern Kentucky I have witnessed the effects of “black lung” on family, friends and fellow miners. I feel for you Brother, and will keep you in my prayers.

“Coal workers' pneumoconiosis (CWP), commonly known as "black lung disease," occurs when coal dust is inhaled. Over time, continued exposure to the coal dust causes scarring in the lungs, impairing your ability to breathe. Considered an occupational lung disease, it is most common among coal miners.”
 
As a third generation coal miner from southeastern Kentucky I have witnessed the effects of “black lung” on family, friends and fellow miners. I feel for you Brother, and will keep you in my prayers.

“Coal workers' pneumoconiosis (CWP), commonly known as "black lung disease," occurs when coal dust is inhaled. Over time, continued exposure to the coal dust causes scarring in the lungs, impairing your ability to breathe. Considered an occupational lung disease, it is most common among coal miners.”
Thank you RB. My condition is called Ideopathic because the cause is unknown but it causes fibrosis which is a thickening of the tissues similar to scarring and this slows or prevents the exchange of oxygen between the air breathed in and the blood in the lungs.

Lee
 
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