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Zeiss Victory 8x42 T* FL tested great! (2 Viewers)

tpcollins

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I'm not a birder but I respect the optics opinions here over the guys on my hunting forums. I sold my 8x32 ELs this spring since the eye relief always seemed a bit short for me - and wound up with a bargain on a pair of Zeiss Victory T* FL 8x42.

I was bow hunting this morning and saw some deer in a picked cornfield on the property across the road from where I hunt. The air was cold and clear, and thru these binocs I could easily see one of the deer was a small 6 point buck. I lifted my glasses off, twisted the eye cups out, and refocused them and the detail on the 6 point rack improved and I could identify individual tines clearly. I've had them to football games but hadn't had the opportunity for some long distance viewing.

Then I checked the range to the deer with my Leica rangefinder - it measured 600 yards! That was the impressive part.
 
Review Minox v. Vortex v. Zeiss 8x42 Binocs!

The following is a short review of three binoculars I recently tested.
I want to first give a shout out to Doug at Cameraland who sold me the three pairs at excellent prices with the understanding I could send back two pairs (used only in my home for a weekend).
Doug provided excellent customer service and very fast delivery.
I highly recommend Cameraland to interested purchasers!

Enough as to the plug - here we go:

I was interested in the Vortex Razor 8x42, Minox 8.5x43 and Zeiss Victory 8x42.
The prices I paid at Cameraland were $549.00 for the Vortex (demo) , $549.99 for Minox (discount for referencing of their affiliated cites), $1,599 for the Zeiss (demo price).
Yes, I know the Zeiss cost three times the price of the other binocs. But I wanted to see just how well the Vortex and Minox compared to Big 3 German binocs.

First - packaging and cases:

The Vortex and Zeiss binocs came with both rubber eye cup and objective covers.
The Minox just have eye cup covers. The Vortex and Zeiss came with both binocular and case straps. The Minox came with only one binoc strap, evidently you are supposed to attach the large Minox case your belt! The Vortex binoc strap is well-built with stretchy rubber/nylon. The Minox has a thin, cheap strap. Zeiss straps were well-built as well.

And now the cases - see photo. Again, the Vortex and Zeiss have very nice, thick, nylon cases.
Both of these cases have top pieces that wrap around the sides to keep rain out. The Zeiss case also had a webbing, storage compartment. The Vortex also came with additional eye relief pieces which I thought were unnecessary (the Vortex already has great eye relief), but a nice addition. Minox has a thin, cheap, nylon was with no rain protection.

The weight of the binocs: I used a postage scale to weigh the binocs. I could be an ounce or two off. My scales weighs the binocs as follows: Victory - 31 ounces, Minox- 29 ounces and Zeiss - 27 ounces.

How the binoculars felt to hold:

The Vortex and Zeiss both had thick, rubber armor. Coupled with the binocs heavier weight, the Vortex felt very well-built and solid. The Zeiss also felt well-built, but not as solid due to their lighter weight. The Minox had a thin rubber coating, and didn’t feel quite as secure in your hands as the Vortex and Zeiss binocs. The Minox also did not feel as good to hold while viewing because the mounting points for the binoc straps rubbed against my hands while focusing.

Ok you ask: How well do the binocs actually work?

Indoor viewing during the day in an average illuminated room.

I used the binoculars from about 30 feet away to view photos on a on-white wall, and a typed piece of letter. I first compared the Minox and Vortex binocs. The Minox were noticeably brighter. The colors were also cooler, while the Vortex were warmer in nature. One annoying feature of the Minox was that I couldn’t hold my eyes up to the bottom of the rubber eye cups - if I did, I would see black along the bottom of the image. Instead, I had to just rest my face against the top of the rubber. Maybe my eyelashes were hitting the eye piece, or else it just didn’t fit my face securely. But to my eyes, the Minox were noticeably brighter and clearer.
I also didn’t like the Vortex focusing wheel. It was accurate, but I felt a lot of friction - like metal rubbing against metal. Will this be a problem in the long run?

Now - the Minox vs. the big gun - the Zeiss. This will surprise some, but I felt the Minox held up very well against the Zeiss. Both gave very bright images (remember this is indoors in a fairly well-lit room). The Zeiss had a wider field of view and was lighter, and more comfortable in my hand. But I liked the Minox color rendition better. Looking at a drawing on my wall, the Minox gave a much warmer image - more orange and red tints. By contrast, the Zeiss was more austere, with a cooler, green tint. Since I want to primarily use the binocs for viewing nature, I preferred the Minox’s more colorful images. I want to stress that the difference wasn’t great, and neither was inaccurate.

Outdoor Viewing - 12:00 Noon on a sunny, fall day

My test results were similar outdoors with one surprise. Again, I liked the color rendition of the Vortex best - very warm. But the image couldn’t hold up to that of the Minox and Zeiss.
And again, I liked the slightly warmer colors of the Minox to that of the Zeiss - especially while looking at yellow leaves on a tree.
Now the surprise - I thought the Minox had slightly sharper images than the Zeiss outdoors.
Now this may be due to the fact that the Minox has slightly more power - 8x5 instead of 8 - and wider tubes - 43 instead of 42's. I don’t know why, but it did appear a tiny bit sharper to my layman’s eyes.
Here was the final decision for me: While both binocs were sharp - I was able to look at the reflection of trees in a car’s black, painted bumper (sunny day) about 45 feet way. With the Zeiss, the reflection was a bit hard to see - with the Minox, the trees were very clear - - - reflecting off a car bumper! And bear in mind the Minox were more than $1,000 cheaper - even with a demo price on the Zeiss binocs!

To summarize, you can’t go wrong with any of these binoculars. The Vortex are very well-built and come with great accessories. They are a bargain that their price. Their warranty is also one of the best out there. The Zeiss - well, these have been described as the best 8x42's currently available (Leica and Swarovski owners may differ). One last note - I compared the Zeiss to the Leica 8x42s Ultravids a week ago, and liked the Zeiss’ better. The Leica are indeed built like a tank, and a bit more compact (and heavier). But I didn’t care for the Leica’s dimmer view. The shop I visited did tell me, however, that Leica was much better about making warranty repairs than was Zeiss. Supposedly, Leica will even covering repairs due to an owner’s negligence.

But for me, the Minox will do just fine - even if I have train myself to rest my head just right against them. I’d rather save the $1,000 and visit Cameraland again in December to purchase the new Panasonic GF2 camera coming out!

Again, I can’t stress enough how great Doug and Cameraland were to work with.
I will be definitely be giving them all of my binocular and camera business in the future!

Scott Ives, Sterling VA.
[email protected]
 
If you are using these for ''nature'', a warm colour cast may not be preferable.

I like my Zeiss because I think the colour fidelity is completely neutral, based on my experience with the species I am viewing. I don't want brighter colours, I want accurate colours and that's what the Zeiss give me, IMO.
 
ssives,
Thanks you for your nicely written shootout.

My only complaint about the 8x42 FL is that it cost so much. At least it's good. I like blue birds too. And, the FL performs well in horrible lighting conditions. But maybe it's not necessary to spend so much. Well, of course it isn't necessary to spend so much! Enjoy your Minox, and the $1000. Welcome to the planet of the view crazed.
Ron
 
Thorough, well-conducted evaluations by non-professionals always make for interesting reading and useful observations. Thanks.
 
The following is a short review of three binoculars I recently tested.
I want to first give a shout out to Doug at Cameraland who sold me the three pairs at excellent prices with the understanding I could send back two pairs (used only in my home for a weekend).
Doug provided excellent customer service and very fast delivery.
I highly recommend Cameraland to interested purchasers!

Enough as to the plug - here we go:

I was interested in the Vortex Razor 8x42, Minox 8.5x43 and Zeiss Victory 8x42.
The prices I paid at Cameraland were $549.00 for the Vortex (demo) , $549.99 for Minox (discount for referencing of their affiliated cites), $1,599 for the Zeiss (demo price).
Yes, I know the Zeiss cost three times the price of the other binocs. But I wanted to see just how well the Vortex and Minox compared to Big 3 German binocs.

First - packaging and cases:

The Vortex and Zeiss binocs came with both rubber eye cup and objective covers.
The Minox just have eye cup covers. The Vortex and Zeiss came with both binocular and case straps. The Minox came with only one binoc strap, evidently you are supposed to attach the large Minox case your belt! The Vortex binoc strap is well-built with stretchy rubber/nylon. The Minox has a thin, cheap strap. Zeiss straps were well-built as well.

And now the cases - see photo. Again, the Vortex and Zeiss have very nice, thick, nylon cases.
Both of these cases have top pieces that wrap around the sides to keep rain out. The Zeiss case also had a webbing, storage compartment. The Vortex also came with additional eye relief pieces which I thought were unnecessary (the Vortex already has great eye relief), but a nice addition. Minox has a thin, cheap, nylon was with no rain protection.

The weight of the binocs: I used a postage scale to weigh the binocs. I could be an ounce or two off. My scales weighs the binocs as follows: Victory - 31 ounces, Minox- 29 ounces and Zeiss - 27 ounces.

How the binoculars felt to hold:

The Vortex and Zeiss both had thick, rubber armor. Coupled with the binocs heavier weight, the Vortex felt very well-built and solid. The Zeiss also felt well-built, but not as solid due to their lighter weight. The Minox had a thin rubber coating, and didn’t feel quite as secure in your hands as the Vortex and Zeiss binocs. The Minox also did not feel as good to hold while viewing because the mounting points for the binoc straps rubbed against my hands while focusing.

Ok you ask: How well do the binocs actually work?

Indoor viewing during the day in an average illuminated room.

I used the binoculars from about 30 feet away to view photos on a on-white wall, and a typed piece of letter. I first compared the Minox and Vortex binocs. The Minox were noticeably brighter. The colors were also cooler, while the Vortex were warmer in nature. One annoying feature of the Minox was that I couldn’t hold my eyes up to the bottom of the rubber eye cups - if I did, I would see black along the bottom of the image. Instead, I had to just rest my face against the top of the rubber. Maybe my eyelashes were hitting the eye piece, or else it just didn’t fit my face securely. But to my eyes, the Minox were noticeably brighter and clearer.
I also didn’t like the Vortex focusing wheel. It was accurate, but I felt a lot of friction - like metal rubbing against metal. Will this be a problem in the long run?

Now - the Minox vs. the big gun - the Zeiss. This will surprise some, but I felt the Minox held up very well against the Zeiss. Both gave very bright images (remember this is indoors in a fairly well-lit room). The Zeiss had a wider field of view and was lighter, and more comfortable in my hand. But I liked the Minox color rendition better. Looking at a drawing on my wall, the Minox gave a much warmer image - more orange and red tints. By contrast, the Zeiss was more austere, with a cooler, green tint. Since I want to primarily use the binocs for viewing nature, I preferred the Minox’s more colorful images. I want to stress that the difference wasn’t great, and neither was inaccurate.

Outdoor Viewing - 12:00 Noon on a sunny, fall day

My test results were similar outdoors with one surprise. Again, I liked the color rendition of the Vortex best - very warm. But the image couldn’t hold up to that of the Minox and Zeiss.
And again, I liked the slightly warmer colors of the Minox to that of the Zeiss - especially while looking at yellow leaves on a tree.
Now the surprise - I thought the Minox had slightly sharper images than the Zeiss outdoors.
Now this may be due to the fact that the Minox has slightly more power - 8x5 instead of 8 - and wider tubes - 43 instead of 42's. I don’t know why, but it did appear a tiny bit sharper to my layman’s eyes.
Here was the final decision for me: While both binocs were sharp - I was able to look at the reflection of trees in a car’s black, painted bumper (sunny day) about 45 feet way. With the Zeiss, the reflection was a bit hard to see - with the Minox, the trees were very clear - - - reflecting off a car bumper! And bear in mind the Minox were more than $1,000 cheaper - even with a demo price on the Zeiss binocs!

To summarize, you can’t go wrong with any of these binoculars. The Vortex are very well-built and come with great accessories. They are a bargain that their price. Their warranty is also one of the best out there. The Zeiss - well, these have been described as the best 8x42's currently available (Leica and Swarovski owners may differ). One last note - I compared the Zeiss to the Leica 8x42s Ultravids a week ago, and liked the Zeiss’ better. The Leica are indeed built like a tank, and a bit more compact (and heavier). But I didn’t care for the Leica’s dimmer view. The shop I visited did tell me, however, that Leica was much better about making warranty repairs than was Zeiss. Supposedly, Leica will even covering repairs due to an owner’s negligence.

But for me, the Minox will do just fine - even if I have train myself to rest my head just right against them. I’d rather save the $1,000 and visit Cameraland again in December to purchase the new Panasonic GF2 camera coming out!

Again, I can’t stress enough how great Doug and Cameraland were to work with.
I will be definitely be giving them all of my binocular and camera business in the future!

Scott Ives, Sterling VA.
[email protected]

Scott:

Just revisiting your nice review of the 3 bins you tried out. Just wondering as
I am not sure you mentioned it, which one did you keep? And is that Minox the older HG model, I have heard they are very good?

How are you getting along with these?

Jerry
 
Thanks for the nice comments!

Hello Gang,

Thanks for making me feel welcome to the party! :)
Jerry, I kept the Minox. I really liked the Zeiss, but as a photographer, I guess I'm prejudiced towards sharpness (resolution?) and nice, bright colors.
One of the posters mentioned that the Zeiss may be more accurate with the neutral color. That may be true, but I just like nice, bright, pretty colors! :)

I don't like that it takes me a momonent to get the Minox "fitted" to my face. I mean that I have to tilt the binocs a bit away from the bottom of my face or I see a little black on the bottom. Is that normal?
With the Zeiss (and even Vortex) and a pair of Fujinon 7x50's I used to have (awesome view but heavy and only 7x) I could just hold the binocs up and not worry about it.

But honestly, I didn't think the Minox gave up anything to the Zeiss in actual performance.

I think I have the "made in Japan older version". I only paid $550 for them. I think the "made in Germany versions" cost something like $1,500. But the Shott (sp?) glass is the same in both. I think the Japanese can manufacturer the binos just as well as the Germans - in fact, maybe they have smaller, more agile hands! (No racism intended, I'm a small guy with small hands!).

** By the way, one of the complaints about the Minox binocs is that they have no covers for the ends of the binoc. I ordered Butler Creeks, but did not like them. I thought they were plasticy feeling, and I could't find the right sizes in any event. I went to Home Depot (no joke!) and found plumbing, rubber end caps (for PVC tubing) that fit perfectly! They are black
rubber, built very touch and match the Minox rubber! All I had to do was take off a metal, screw-tightening gasket. They cost about $3 each.

*** Also a question for you binoc experts. Pardon my layman ignorance what does CA mean with respect to the binocular view?

Thanks!

Scott
 
*** Also a question for you binoc experts. Pardon my layman ignorance what does CA mean with respect to the binocular view?

Thanks!

Scott

Hi Scott, I´m no expert but what I understand CA (Colour Aberrations) to mean is the way in a cheaper binocular (or in most binos, under extreme conditions), colours tend to "bleed" or "fringe". For example, if looking at a dark bird flying against a white or blue sky (or even better, a dark tree-line against a snowy background), you can sometimes see orangey outlines or fringes to the dark subject. It also happens with a white bird against a dark sea-scape. Another type of CA is lateral, involving purple or greenish fringing along the horizon, if you tilt the binoculars up or down and place the horizon towards the top or bottom of the field-of-view. (Birder-optics-obsessives spend a lot of time abusing their binoculars instead of doing useful things). I once read the technical reasons for CA somewhere, something to do with the different wavelengths of different colours, but stuff like that seeps out my brain quickly, leaving room for more random nonsense. The best binos I´ve owned for low-to-nonexistent CA are Swarovski "Swarovision" 8.5x42, and Nikon SE 8x32 (serial 550xxx). But most good binos don´t show any CA at the centre, and only a little around the edges, so it really isn´t an issue above a certain quality-level, IMHO.
 
Hello Gang,

Thanks for making me feel welcome to the party! :)
Jerry, I kept the Minox. I really liked the Zeiss, but as a photographer, I guess I'm prejudiced towards sharpness (resolution?) and nice, bright colors.
One of the posters mentioned that the Zeiss may be more accurate with the neutral color. That may be true, but I just like nice, bright, pretty colors! :)

I don't like that it takes me a momonent to get the Minox "fitted" to my face. I mean that I have to tilt the binocs a bit away from the bottom of my face or I see a little black on the bottom. Is that normal?
With the Zeiss (and even Vortex) and a pair of Fujinon 7x50's I used to have (awesome view but heavy and only 7x) I could just hold the binocs up and not worry about it.

But honestly, I didn't think the Minox gave up anything to the Zeiss in actual performance.

I think I have the "made in Japan older version". I only paid $550 for them. I think the "made in Germany versions" cost something like $1,500. But the Shott (sp?) glass is the same in both. I think the Japanese can manufacturer the binos just as well as the Germans - in fact, maybe they have smaller, more agile hands! (No racism intended, I'm a small guy with small hands!).

** By the way, one of the complaints about the Minox binocs is that they have no covers for the ends of the binoc. I ordered Butler Creeks, but did not like them. I thought they were plasticy feeling, and I could't find the right sizes in any event. I went to Home Depot (no joke!) and found plumbing, rubber end caps (for PVC tubing) that fit perfectly! They are black
rubber, built very touch and match the Minox rubber! All I had to do was take off a metal, screw-tightening gasket. They cost about $3 each.

*** Also a question for you binoc experts. Pardon my layman ignorance what does CA mean with respect to the binocular view?

Thanks!

Scott

Scott:

Good to hear about your binocular quest.

I just cannot help myself, but do want to add something here. You mentioned
you are a photographer, and I do not know your age, but when you mentioned
"nice, bright colors" and your liking them reminded me so much of the Paul
Simon song about Kodachrome, and it also adds "the nice greens of summers". Kodachrome, slide film, now some may wonder what that is.

I am thinking most photography is now digital, but this is just referencing some film and slide history, and also mentioned in that song was the "Nikon Camera", so tell us more about your photography.

For many here, with digiscoping birds, those nice bright colors are important.

Jerry
 
Hello Gang,

*** Also a question for you binoc experts. Pardon my layman ignorance what does CA mean with respect to the binocular view?
Scott

CA is Chromatic Aberration. In terms of optics it can be Lateral or Longitudinal. If you google it you will get loads of info.

There are a number of threads on BF about it.
 
I'm not a birder but I respect the optics opinions here over the guys on my hunting forums. I sold my 8x32 ELs this spring since the eye relief always seemed a bit short for me - and wound up with a bargain on a pair of Zeiss Victory T* FL 8x42.
There is a new review of them at http://tinyurl.com/3ak2hk3 (Google translation from Polish, the mysterious untranslated word "klekocze" means "is rattling").
 
That's the 8 x 32 tested. I really like this site as it has solid methods and tangible, comparable results.

They really need to test the 10 SV, SLC HD and the EDG. That ancient 10 FL has sat atop the ranking far too long.;)

James:

You are so right here, for many the FL has not sat atop the rankings anyway.;)

I would also like to see how these new ones compare.

Jerry
 
Hi Scott, I´m no expert but what I understand CA (Colour Aberrations) to mean is the way in a cheaper binocular (or in most binos, under extreme conditions), colours tend to "bleed" or "fringe". For example, if looking at a dark bird flying against a white or blue sky (or even better, a dark tree-line against a snowy background), you can sometimes see orangey outlines or fringes to the dark subject. It also happens with a white bird against a dark sea-scape. Another type of CA is lateral, involving purple or greenish fringing along the horizon, if you tilt the binoculars up or down and place the horizon towards the top or bottom of the field-of-view. (Birder-optics-obsessives spend a lot of time abusing their binoculars instead of doing useful things). I once read the technical reasons for CA somewhere, something to do with the different wavelengths of different colours, but stuff like that seeps out my brain quickly, leaving room for more random nonsense. The best binos I´ve owned for low-to-nonexistent CA are Swarovski "Swarovision" 8.5x42, and Nikon SE 8x32 (serial 550xxx). But most good binos don´t show any CA at the centre, and only a little around the edges, so it really isn´t an issue above a certain quality-level, IMHO.

I've made a vow not to read up on fringe because I don't see it now for the most part and dont want it to start being an issue.

But I remember one sunny fall day there was a pelican or Big Seagull, I forget. And he is perched on a log, bright white against the blackish lake. And he had a huge purple fringe all along the top of his head and down his side and back. Unmistakable and annoying. But that doesn't happen to me much, especially for the image as a whole. In general I think the Conquest 12x45 is a little underrated. It's about the only 12 in the world with good image quality that you can easily put in a backpack and barely feel it.
 
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