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[Gijs van Ginkel]

Delving in Dr. Hans Segers magnificent books, I found in his blue book on page 696, illustration 1766 the screws on the eyepiece "deckel"in exactly the same position as the one shown by Blackstan in posts 7 and 8.
Gijs van Ginkel

 

[blackstan]

wow! that's a lot of info!......im glad I found this website. so I suppose that I can sort of think that ive bought a 'fair' pair of binoculars?. I generally buy just what takes my fancy...I have 25 pairs now both military and civilian. the ebay seller said they were in full working order....I will have to reserve judgement on that until I get my hands on them xmas day.....as ive been stung before with that sort of description.....cheers....keep the info coming, really appreciate it

 

[jring]

Hi,

I had my problems with the screws on the prism cell covers too - I went through all 6x24 models on fernglasmuseum.at and only found 1 screw or 3 screws with two close to the eyepiece or objective. Same everywhere else...

But since Gijs has given chapter and verse for the arrangement shown here with 3 screws and only one close to the eyepiece or objective in Seeger, it's should be ok. I can't check as I don't own Seeger...

Then congratulations to the original poster for a rare piece and merry christmas to all!

Joachim

 

[Troubador]

Hi,


merry christmas to all!

Joachim

Merry Christmas Joachim and everybody!
Lee

 

[LPT]

This is an unusual binocular. Referencing Seeger’s blue and green books it is clear that the ocular end prism plate screw arrangement on the “mystery” binocular differs from those on the Telex 6x21 (Version 1 Telex), DF 6x24 and Telex 6x24 (Version 2 Telex). I have attached illustrations showing the differences in these arrangements. Illustration 1766 on page 696 of the blue book shows a typical Version 2 single screw prism plate arrangement which is different than the type of 3 screw arrangement the mystery binocular has.

Considering that additionally the binocular has an atypical IPD cap in French style and lacks a serial number, it’s tempting to conclude the binocular had fake markings applied to increase value. But it may also be a WW I Zeiss DF 6x24 military binocular or one made by another quality maker which was privately reworked to resemble a civilian model. In the green book (page 740) Seeger mentions that after the war it was illegal for a German civilian to posses a military binocular because it was state property but that sometimes civilians, often returning soldiers, who had such binoculars had them privately reworked to resemble civilian model ones. Note that your binocular does not look like one of the inexpensive French models which were frequently reworked with fake Zeiss markings – it looks to be well made and likely a military one. When you receive it be sure to measure the diameter of the objective lenses. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they turn out to be 30 mm ones instead of 24 mm’s.

 

[blackstan]

hello, the plot thickens!!!, ive just measured the objective lens...bearing in mind im no expert, it appears the measurement from just inside the metal housing on both sides that the diameter is about 32mm!......so I suppose that makes it more of a mystery?. interesting what you say about getting binos re-worked after ww1, I hope that's what they are...thanks again.

 

[blackstan]

more info I forgot to add....ive used the binos now and apart from being a 'little' misty in one lens they compare with the quality of other german types of that period. I own two pairs of ww2 'dienstglas' binos with graticules and three pairs of ww1 'fernglas' binos, two of which are 'zeiss' made. they are all very usable but some are better than others....and the mystery ones 'seem' to be in the same build quality/vision/usability area....if that helps any :t:

 

[LPT]

hello, the plot thickens!!!, ive just measured the objective lens...bearing in mind im no expert, it appears the measurement from just inside the metal housing on both sides that the diameter is about 32mm!......so I suppose that makes it more of a mystery?. interesting what you say about getting binos re-worked after ww1, I hope that's what they are...thanks again.

One other thing, check to confirm that they are, in fact, 6x. If they are a reworked circa 1920's French military binocular, they could be 8x32, the French army preferring this configuration whereas the German, American and British armies preferred 6x30's or 6x24's.

 

[blackstan]

ok....I don't want to appear to be an idiot...... but how would I check this?....I suppose by just comparing them to other 6x and 8x binos i have in my collection.....example ...just by looking through them and seeing if they are the same?. its dark now so I will have to do it tomorrow, but I also bought a 8x pair from circa 1905,aitchison make, and using them both today I have to confess I didn't see much difference. I will however compare against a Russian 8x and german 6x military pair tomorrow....phew! thanks again :t:

 

[Gijs van Ginkel]

blackstan, post 29,
A crude and very simple method is: divide the diameter of the objective lens by the diameter of the exit pupil. In case of a 6x30 ( the exit pupil = 5 mm , the objective lens diameter =30 mm ------ (30:5=6x) etc.
Gijs van Ginkel

 

[blackstan]

hello all ...again.....right ok....ive checked the binos out in daylight, and I used a pair of 1970's Russian 8x30's and a ww2 pair of german 6x30's. the 'mystery' zeiss pair are definitely only 6x magnification, the comparison was quite notable . hopefully this helps B 3

 

[jring]

Hi,

well with 32mm objectives we can be sure that they're not a telex and most probably not a CZJ model either... luckily you didn't pay a collectors price...

Joachim

 

[Binastro]

Is the front objective glass 32mm across, or the distance across the front opening 32mm?

They may not be the same.

B.

 

[blackstan]

hi there I was just going to post before I saw the last mssge. ive just re-measured the binos…..from the very edge where the metal stops and the lens starts it appears to be 30mm and a bit??...heres some photos

 

[blackstan]

the photos havnt turned out too well , the last two seem to look lore up towards 31/32mm, but it was awkward doing the photos on my phone.....the first two are more like the measurement :t:

 

[Binastro]

Hi Stan,

Cut a 30mm card circle and drop onto front lens.

Or a coin 30mm diameter if there is one, or a bottle top.

Don't scratch the lens.

It will be fairly easy to tell the real lens aperture.

B.

 

[blackstan]

ok done that, bit of a rough circle with a little bit of play but it appears to be 30mm....attached photos o

 

[Binastro]

That's what I thought it might be.

B.

 

[blackstan]

sorry my computer is playing 'games' and wont let me download photos

 

[Binastro]

I spent two weeks training at Hugh Mackay in Durham.

The girls played games there also.

B.