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Why is buying and collecting binoculars so addictive. (2 Viewers)

My humble opinion (each their own :) ):

Collect experiences, rather than things. Use (high quality / top notch) stuff for what it's designed, not for it being used only after you're dead.

Some people have no binoculars (think of local guides in 'under'developed parts of the tropics). Share your joy and send the ones you use the least (or not at all) to those people (directly, or indirectly through travelling birders you know). Those bino-less people will enjoy them as much as you do (if not more), and moreover, chances are very high they will generate income through those binoculars, and there will be more incentive to protect the environment. It's really a win-win.

Collecting always remind me of Arfak bowerbirds, but at least it helps the bird to seduce a partner!
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ps: as a side note:
While collecting for the sake of it is a burden on the planet, collecting anything with gold is making it worse. I know we're not much more than a slightly evolved ape that likes shiny things, but before you buy anything with gold (and drive demand and price), you may want to see what goldmining does with the planet, be it in the region with the highest avian biodiversity in the world, the high Andes near the most vulnerable / beautiful glaciers (near La Rinconada aka hell on earth) or in e.g. Ghana, Guyana, Brazil or anywhere else in the world.
Buying, or 'investing' in golden luxury items (or gold bars) sounds good, but in reality, it's destroying our planet.
 
Collect experiences, rather than things.
One does not exclude the other.
Use (high quality / top notch) stuff for what it's designed, not for it being used only after you're dead.
I use all of my binos. And they're not top notch anyway. About 30% is defective on arrival and would end up in a landfill if it wasn't for me buying and restoring them.
Some people have no binoculars (think of local guides in 'under'developed parts of the tropics). Share your joy and send the ones you use the least (or not at all) to those people (directly, or indirectly through travelling birders you know).
Why would I do that? The shipping would be more expensive than the actual item.

But I sure hope you feel better now that you got that off your chest.

Collecting always remind me of Arfak bowerbirds,
And you remind me of that one annoying friend I have who thinks he's an environmentalist because he buys the "biological" sausages in the local supermarket while driving around in a VW bus that could carry 9 people and going on vacation twice a year while others don't take vacations at all.
So go preach to people who wanna hear it.
 
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Yes, I would imagine a high percentage of regular visitors to birdforum, are "on the spectrum".
Collecting, keeping lists, awkward/poor social interaction skills, obsessive behaviour in all its forms. We have it all going on here.
You must admit that there are some refreshingly normal ones too.
 
This discussion is fascinating. I like Andy's contribution, he is of course articulating the thoughts of the vast majority of serious birders, at least the ones I know. They look at me like I'm crazy when I start trying to talk about binoculars, even stuff like "are you using an 8x or 10x today"?

It's the same reaction you'd get while playing basketball and trying to discuss the virtues of the type and brand of basketball being used! There's no response, just a look like "who is this crazy guy"? The binoculars are like a black box to them. They briefly thought about binoculars the day they bought them, and that was it.

In astronomy, gear talk is more common. Almost everyone is eager to discuss their eyepieces and telescope and why they chose them. Maybe that's more of the hobby because there's a lot of clouds and downtime with no observing possible?
 
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I have kicked the habit for over a year now. I bought my last pair about 16 months ago. I now own great binoculars in a lot of configurations; 8x25, 8x32, 7x42, 10x42, 8x50, and 15x56.
The only configuration that sometimes has me thinking about buying another pair is 12x50. Fortunately for me, both of the alpha 12s have been out for a few years, and I assume I am closer to the next generation than the last. So, for now, I will wait.
 
The only configuration that sometimes has me thinking about buying another pair is 12x50. Fortunately for me, both of the alpha 12s have been out for a few years…
I’m not sure which those would be but as another interested in a 12x50, I’d be making sure to include the Ultravid, UHD, and even the Viper!
 
I almost (I say almost) had a bins collection, when I reached the odd number of 3: a 7x42 Zeiss Victory FL, a 10x42 Leica Ultravid and a 8x32 Zeiss Victory FL, but I quickly sold the Leica and smaller Zeiss and it felt like a relief.

At the moment, I still have that 7x42 FL and a 8x25 Zeiss Victory pocket that is always in the car (so I always have a pair when I'm on the road).

Back in 2008 when I bought that 7x42 FL, I told myself I would renew that first pair every 10 years. But 10 years later, in 2018, it turned out there wasn't much I wished for in newer models, and the 7x42 FL was still going strong. So that's when I bought the pocket which really felt complimentary to me, to have a smaller, lighter pair for family walks, in the car, butterflying, cycling,... (I use that pocket now more often than the full-size bins!).

I'm relieved I didn't become a collector, and I got rid of that 10x42 Ultravid and 8x32 FL, because going by how good my 7x42 FL looks after 15 years of use with close to 5000 bird species seen around the world, I would never have been able to use the Ultravid and smaller FL to the full. I hope they are now in the hands of some who use them for what they are (imho) made: long days in the field, getting sweaty, feeling the rain, getting cleaned with the inside of a T-shirt, enhancing the views on beautiful birds.

I could have become a collector, as I (and I'm sure many here are) strive for a better (or just different) view. We all know that perfection doesn't exist in binocular views, but still, many people search for it, or at least for improvement. And it's also just fun to look through different binoculars as the viewing experience is different. For some, it's about how things are made and what is the story behind specific bins or brands. I can fully understand all of that.

But on too many occasions, I see people stocking up on stuff they don't use, especially people who buy things brand new, just as an addition to the collection. They just want the insurance, that they won't miss out on this or that model (they are e.g. terrified if it ever gets out of production, they can't collect it anymore). So those bins aren't used, but the collectors can't part from it. And they try to find arguments for themselves that they still use them on that one sunny sunday in February to look at a deer far away from they porch, or they claim that the bins haven's lost value, so they comfort themselves that they can 'enjoy' them by looking at them gathering dust in the cupboard, consoling themselves that they don't hurt them financially. Some collectors constantly buy and sell (and buy again) binoculars, not because the bins aren't great, but because their eyes aren't good anymore, and they search for that one model with ample correction for their near-sightedness, eye relief, rolling ball, astigmatism,... I see the same happening with people buying bikes and having pain in the back, or long legs and short arms: they never find the bike / frame that fits them perfectly, so they always go looking for that one bike that maybe gives them the ride they dream about (with no pain). Same for my mum, who has a huge collection of shoes because she has a deformed toe, and no shoes seem to fit, but she keeps trying and buying. I totally understand the driving force, but it can get tricky when you're only buying, and not selling anymore. It can easily lead to compulsive hoarding (which is a disease, so those who suffer, I wish them good health again, and it's something that has to be taken serious: Compulsive hoarding - Wikipedia ).

So the thing is, those that are striving for perfection can easily fall into that trap and accumulate collections that are hardly ever / never used, and the collectors never get past the fact that they once bought all of that stuff to enhance the experience (of life). Once the collection becomes too big, it becomes a burden and a distraction of the experience. I say it once again, imho, it's all about the experience, and the item (in this case bins, but it could be cameras, cars, bikes, running shoes,...) enables you to enjoy the experience more, but it's still just a tool, and the experience is what matters, not the tool. I really like good bins and as a bike racer, I like to have top notch stuff on my racing bike (deep carbon wheels, Dura ace drive groupset, Assos clothes, etc.). This all enhances the experience. But the best part of bike racing, and my best races, are not necessarily the ones in which I was on my best bike, but the one where my legs felt the best. Same goes for birdwatching. The best birds aren't remembered because they were seen through this or that pair of bins. They are remembered because the bird was so freaking beautiful or behaved extraordinary. The bins aren't remembered. They are secondary. And you can only use one pair at a time, so what's the use of that big collection when all you're after is good times in the field and you only need one pairs for that. Ofcourse, imho, they must be top notch in order not to hamper the experience (and thus enhance the experience), but be it a Leica, Zeiss, Swarovski or even Vortex, Bushnell, or whatever, it's about the observation, and most of the tiny details discussed here in great detail (*) don't matter (too much) if you have eyeball to eyeball views of a N-American warbler, a wader in breeding plumage, a hummer, a Bird-of-paradise or your garden Blue tit or Chickadee that's doing crazy stuff.

That's what it's all about, for me, and the more you focus on the stuff, the less you enjoy the experience. I actually a bit sad about those that have big collections of anything but don't seem to use some of their items to the full. It's a waste of stuff just laying around (and thus a waste of space), and I believe that the more stuff one accumulates, the less one is able to fully enjoy the non-material side of life, and that's what really matters most for me...

ps: As usual, all of the above has to be read with 'my opinion' before every sentence. You may disagree and feel different, that's fine. If you have a great bins collection and are super happy with it (whether or not it's collecting dust), that's all very fine: I might even be very interested, if I would ever be in your neighbourhood, to see your collection as I love binoculars. I'm just saying what I personally feel about collecting, and why I'm not a fan of collecting stuff for the sake of it, especially collecting new stuf that is sometimes not even taken out of the box.

(*) I greatly appreciate and enjoy reading those discussions and learning. I always like to learn about stuff, and this forum, of which I am a member since 2007 and have contributed financially as well, is a great place to learn about optics.
 
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@temmie
I put you on ignore, just in case you felt the need to come up with a reaction to my post, which you obviously did.
I don't communicate with people who compare me with trash-collecting birds. But I sure hope you never visit museums for example. Because they often get their stuff from collectors. And next time I'd advise you to read a thread title before you post. Bye-bye
 
Temmie, so you are not a collector. Are you a psychologist like the other guy saying we are all "on a spectrum". Face it the collectors have no need for lectures from you or anyone else. Just my opinion.
In your first post with the bird collecting stuff, saying to give to others, "Share your joy and send the ones you use the least". Many here will others to help them selves, but not like that MP in western Europe saying we should give our income to others, we already do with taxes. So a no go for me.
 
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Temmie, so you are not a collector, Are you a psychologist like the other guy saying we are all "on a spectrum". Face it the collectors have no need for lectures from you or anyone else. Just my opinion.
Hi, instead of ad hominem responses, either you can react to the content my post, or you don't, or you put me on 'ignore'. That's how a forum usually works.
 
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@temmie
I put you on ignore, just in case you felt the need to come up with a reaction to my post, which you obviously did.
I don't communicate with people who compare me with trash-collecting birds. But I sure hope you never visit museums for example. Because they often get their stuff from collectors. And next time I'd advise you to read a thread title before you post. Bye-bye
That's fine. I'm very, very tolerant towards other people. Live and let live. If you feel more comfortable not reading my comments, after you put your ad hominem response on the forum, that's all fine. My reactions in this topic weren't even written with any of your posts on my mind (if you read carefully, you would have known what my reaction was about), but you clearly feel targeted for no good reason.
ps: I visit museums, and I applaud collectors to donate all of their stuff to them :)
pps: I haven't got any gripe with people collecting old stuff. I do have an issue with people collecting new stuff and not using it (that's not collecting, but being a shop-a-holic). Besides the reasons I mentioned (energy and resources waisted for a strange twist in the brain to stock up on 50 new alpha binoculars without using them), they often even block supply of certain optics, like long telelenses in covid times. It was near impossible for some time to get your hands on some of the mirrorless lenses, and when you see they end up in the hands of people who don't even bother taking any photo with them while you have an order and waiting for months...
 
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I responded, that is how it works.
errr. no. You resorted to advising me to shut up. That's not polite. And you tried to characterize me personally, without knowing me (that's called an ad hominem response). You don't see me doing that.

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In your first post with the bird collecting stuff, saying to give to others, "Share your joy and send the ones you use the least". Many here will others to help them selves, but not like that MP in western Europe saying we should give our income to others, we already do with taxes. So a no go for me.
I suggest to give to others if you have so many, and aren't using them, yes. Don't drag politics into this. It's just a suggestion (there are many people doing this, there are second hand binocular schemes and so many organisations, institutions, schools,... are benefiting from this), feel free to do so or not to do so (I'm not forcing you nor anyone else). I have a hard time seeing so many beautiful bins not being used, each of those have the potential to e.g. get kids in poor countries initiated into birding, or enables a young ornithologist to conduct a better study, or helps a guard protecting a nest of an endangered species to better monitor the nest,...
 
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If you are not into collecting, that is fine, however by lecturing collectors then there is a bit of envy or jealousy on your part, other wise you would have not posted in the first place.
Let me be clear: I'm nowhere near anything jealous or envious. I have all I need in terms of wealth. I just let it go (the material side of life). I can go to a shop tomorrow and buy some Nikon WX and go to another shop and buy all the Canon telelenses. But I'm only buying them if I can use them (I see many people with long lenses and they don't get a photo sharp, even in the days of mirrorless photography...!), because I enjoy material stuff when I can use it fully (that is: get the best out of it). I must admit I find people with loads of stuff that looks like it's not getting used, a bit... strange, while I find people who use their stuff to the full, mostly awesome. It's the difference between a collector of sports cars like the 'stars' you see on TV showing their hollywood crib with 5 Lambos that hardly get any use, and Jay Leno's garage where you see and feel how passionate he is about his cars, and still likes to drive them all, and knows all about them.

It's just a different approach / opinion, and if you don't agree, that's all fine. I'm not lecturing (or at least: I didn't mean to. I look at it with a dosis of curiosity, but also with an opinion, and my opinion about e.g. what I wrote about gold is very firm, I know. But I don't condone people for doing what they do. It's human nature and I accept it. I can still try to live to what I preach, though, and that's the first and best thing I try to do).

ps: I do have some kind of collection (now the truth comes out :D ): I have 6 racebikes (I have a weak spot for racing breed bikes and Italian steel bikes). I still ride on all of them, and I ride them hard: group rides close to 40K average for hours are no exception, and when I was a bit younger, I used to race: I like to take pride beating guys with more expensive bikes (my total investment is bikes is well over 10K, but some are worth only 1-2K), just to show that it's not about how expensive things are, but how good the real machine (= the human being) is. I'm lately thinking hard of selling at least one. I already bought and sold 5-6 more, and like people with bins, it took some time to find the 'right' ones (in the right size, better handling / weight / steering / ...)..., but I need some for bad weather, a TT bike for... well,... time trial stuf, etc.
Now that I'm dialled in on 2-3 of the bikes, I still don't feel the urge to sell what I'm using a bit less (note I said less, but not one bike is not used), because of the hassle selling stuff for money I don't need. For one bike I have the best reason ever: my wife paid the paintjob, so I am not allowed to sell it :giggle:

pps: like the title of the topic and what I said about my own experiences: yes, collecting bins can be addictive, because binoculars are neat, finished and relatively inexpensive and small objects that don't consume batteries, don't wear out / deteriorate easily when stored correctly, and enable you to improve the experience of your biggest / most cherished sense, namely your vision (at least, that's what I think is most cherished these days: human society puts great emphasis on visualisation these days).
I have been to Zeiss Jena, and I have been fascinated by the history of that company for a long time. I'm probably a bigger binoholic than some on here who roll their eyes at my posts...
 
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