Which eagle has the strongest beak (1 Viewer)

[BrownnishSkua]

I agree in some of what you have said But I dont think any Vultures would dare to challenge a large eagle say like Harpy or Philippine eagles,which will never happen coz' they never cross path in the wild. they are not designed to hunt like eagles they are more of scavengers (with important role to the eco-system) their legs are weak as some expert say they are made for walking like the chicken. Some expert doesn't even consider them as part of the Birds of prey family but that's another topic.

As do I. The lappet-faced vulture and eurasian black vulture would never cross paths with the harpy of philippine's eagle, however, that doesn't mean they won't challenge them and in my opinion they are still capable of killing the eagles (though mostlikely the lappet-faced vulture and eurasian black vulture can and might dominate the harpy or philippine's monkey eagle on land at least marginally, in the air the reverse is true).
Plus animals seldom kill each other just for fun they are not poachers . Vultures are generally more of scavengers though a few of them are capable hunters (not as efficient as eagles) as well.
Regarding the experts which says vultures legs are weak, I won't say extremely weak ('Vultures of Africa' by Peter Mundy still says those feet are strong and there are accounts saying that LPVs etc have strong feet) that they can't use them to fight but they are still capable of running and fighting and grabbing (truer said of the old world vultures especially the dominanat ones) and there are experts whom say that its the old world vultures which are related to raptors and the new world vultures are more related to storks.
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[BrownnishSkua]

I agree in some of what you have said But I dont think any Vultures would dare to challenge a large eagle say like Harpy or Philippine eagles,which will never happen coz' they never cross path in the wild. they are not designed to hunt like eagles they are more of scavengers (with important role to the eco-system) their legs are weak as some expert say they are made for walking like the chicken. Some expert doesn't even consider them as part of the Birds of prey family but that's another topic.

As do I. The lappet-faced vulture and eurasian black vulture would never cross paths with the harpy of philippine's eagle, however, that doesn't mean they won't challenge them and in my opinion they are still capable of killing the eagles (though most likely the lappet-faced vulture and eurasian black vulture can and might dominate the harpy or philippine's monkey eagle on land at least marginally, in the air the reverse is true).
Plus animals seldom kill each other just for fun they are not poachers . Vultures are generally more of scavengers though a few of them are capable hunters (not as efficient as eagles) as well.
Regarding the experts which says vultures legs are weak, I won't say extremely weak ('Vultures of Africa' by Peter Mundy still says those feet are strong and there are accounts saying that LPVs etc have strong feet) that they can't use them to fight but they are still capable of running and fighting and grabbing (truer said of the old world vultures especially the dominanat ones) and there are experts whom say that its the old world vultures which are related to raptors and the new world vultures are more related to storks.
I will send you a pm later as I have an important meeting to go to.

 

[Blubeak_2007]

I know it is different from tackling a live python, however, lappet-faced vultures and white-headed vultures are capable of tearing open the skin of fresh python carcase so I wouldn't generalise rotting (they prefer fresh carcase compare to that of rotting.
Anyway, according to 'Vultures of Africa' by Peter Mundy, there is a very brief account of a white-headed vulture feeding on a live python but it is not said what condition the python is in. Regardless they can still tear fresh python carcase.

Hi! guys, interesting and informative discussion..

I agree there is a very BIG difference between tackling a large live python than feeding on a dead one (feeding on a live one of a WHV seems far fetch) however as you have said the condition of the python is unknown maybe it's half-dead or something.


For me I think we can never really say which bird has the strongest beak it still depends on the situation they are in; feeding on a dead animal along with the group of vultures is way different when engaging a struggle with a large powerful prey like python.

Yes, Vultures can tear fresh python carcass but not on a live one. feeding on a dead python is the easiest part compare to the two situation, the vulture have all the time to pick on dead animals carcass they can even pick the soft part of the skin to open, while tackling a large live python is the most dangerous thing for a bird a strong grip to hold it and a quick powerful bite is necessary to subdue such a powerful snake probably the strongest bite force that could ever deliver by any birds of prey.

There are no study of Philippine eagle on how strong their beaks or bite force are but I think in that kind of particular situation I would agree that it has a sharp powerful beak, one of the most powerful beak among raptors but that is only my opinion.

What do you think?

 

[scuba0095]

there is only one time that a p eagle attacked a python. First it is not clear what species of python it was how big it is and what condition the python was in. SECOND the eagle lost the match because that is how people were able to capture the eagle. I do not think any eagle can handle a large python ever, the ones they take are tiny baby ones which weigh less then they do.

Sorry but until i see real proof i will say that large pythons are immune to any kind of bird predation. ONLY large crocs and big cats like a tiger or a lion can take them out.

IN conclusion just because an eagle got in a fight with a python and almost got itself killed if it were not rescued by humans does not mean that that python is on the menu. I have heard of eagles attacking and fighting with bears, they have also taken bear cubs does it mean that they pose a threat to an adult no i dont think so.

 

[scuba0095]

i dont think any eagle has a beak as powerful as a lfv. eagles have powerful tallons the vulture was made to rip the most powerful hides including rhinos etc..


but i think the stellers sea eagle has the most powerful beak out of the eagles it beaks looks much more thick solid then the halo beak of a monkey eating eagle.

 

[Blubeak_2007]

there is only one time that a p eagle attacked a python. First it is not clear what species of python it was how big it is and what condition the python was in. SECOND the eagle lost the match because that is how people were able to capture the eagle. I do not think any eagle can handle a large python ever, the ones they take are tiny baby ones which weigh less then they do.

Sorry but until i see real proof i will say that large pythons are immune to any kind of bird predation. ONLY large crocs and big cats like a tiger or a lion can take them out.

IN conclusion just because an eagle got in a fight with a python and almost got itself killed if it were not rescued by humans does not mean that that python is on the menu. I have heard of eagles attacking and fighting with bears, they have also taken bear cubs does it mean that they pose a threat to an adult no i dont think so.

Nope! if it was lost It was probably eaten by the snake, It was apparently caught because It was exhausted and fell from the tree. It was not rescued
It fell probably the people, they are not even aware of what happened until it fell exhausted (Very much alive) Eagles (forest eagles) has a short burst of stamina compare to other birds that is why they conserve their energy watching for a potential prey up in the tree-top canopy.

FYI there is only ONE python specie in the Philippines the reticulated python the longest and one of the most agrressive snakes in the world.

That is why I said It was the most dangerous thing for a bird for it's size which like BALAWE said It could go either way... the predator or end up as a prey. It was documented in the 70's, I beleived you have read it already
If you are looking for a video or photos sorry they were not that easily accessible during those time.

I dont know how large is a "large" python by laymans standard probably 8 or more then 10 feet No eagle of any specie would be stupid enough to attacked a python on the ground especially large one.

I beleived the PE attacked the large python on the tree clinging which the eagle has the advantage and as reported It was caugth by the locals falling exhausted AFTER a figth with a large python meaning- It was victorius.

 

[Blubeak_2007]

i dont think any eagle has a beak as powerful as a lfv. eagles have powerful tallons the vulture was made to rip the most powerful hides including rhinos etc..


but i think the stellers sea eagle has the most powerful beak out of the eagles it beaks looks much more thick solid then the halo beak of a monkey eating eagle.

That is your opinion but looking to the structure of the birds beak of Steller and Philippine eagles the compressed large arch dagger like beak is a lot stronger than the hallow inverted "V" shape of the Steller's beak.

In strength of materials looking at these shape I would say the Philippine eagles beak is stronger than the Steller's which is basically a FISH eater. While the Philippine eagle eats reptiles and mammals. Philippine retcs python are the most common snakes in the Philippine forests you can occasinally find one even in the cities and populated urban areas. I beleived it's not the one time encounter of the eagle and the python as you were saying. Philippine eagles are more closely related to snake eagles than the Harpies group of eagles. It regularly take snakes for a prey.

 

[BrownnishSkua]

Hi! guys, interesting and informative discussion..

Thank you for joining this debate . I am glad to see another poster whom can come with challenging thoughts. Is that a blue wern in your avatar?

I agree there is a very BIG difference between tackling a large live python than feeding on a dead one (feeding on a live one of a WHV seems far fetch) however as you have said the condition of the python is unknown maybe it's half-dead or something.

There is an account of a brown snake eagle killing a four metres rock python and there is another which a brown snake eagle and whit-backed vultures or griffons acctually pecked holes in a python so the python taken on by the white-headed vulture might be four metres weather half dead ofully alive. I might say half dead since the white-headed vulture is not as good a hunter as an eagle though it dominates and pirates all african eagles except the martial eagle and crowned eagle. A couple or more white-headed vultures might be able to pirate a martial eagle though a poster told me about an account of a martial eagle acctually killing a white-headed vulture .

For me I think we can never really say which bird has the strongest beak it still depends on the situation they are in; feeding on a dead animal along with the group of vultures is way different when engaging a struggle with a large powerful prey like python.

And tearing meat from though hide is different from tearing meat from animals with thinner skin. It is impressive regarding the performance of the philippine's eagle taking on a python, however, the eagle did lose its energy.

Yes, Vultures can tear fresh python carcass but not on a live one. feeding on a dead python is the easiest part compare to the two situation, the vulture have all the time to pick on dead animals carcass they can even pick the soft part of the skin to open, while tackling a large live python is the most dangerous thing for a bird a strong grip to hold it and a quick powerful bite is necessary to subdue such a powerful snake probably the strongest bite force that could ever deliver by any birds of prey.

The lappet-faced vulture and white-headed vulture are capable of tearing flesh out of a live python and can injure the python with their talons, however, I doubt a healthy live python would stay still and allow those vultures to have their way so the vultures would have to approach peck or scracth and come back again and again though it never happens and as we both agree the vultures are not as good hunters as eagles. Lappet-faced vultures do not need to tear open the soft parts of most carcasses (they can tear open fresh hide of most animals and regarding rhino, elephant, hippo, and girrafe carcasses, they would have to pick on the soft part but not on the rest - the lappet-faced vulture still has the strongest beak of all birds of prey - stronger than any eagle or vulture). If you observed the beak - its really compressed.

There are no study of Philippine eagle on how strong their beaks or bite force are but I think in that kind of particular situation I would agree that it has a sharp powerful beak, one of the most powerful beak among raptors but that is only my opinion.

What do you think?

I acctually agree with you on that one but my final opinion, beak strength: lappet-faced vulture>eurasian black vulture>steller's sea eagle>philippine's monkey eagle>white-headed vulture>griffons>harpy eagle>white-tailed eagle>bald eagle>golden eagle>martial eagle and so on and talon strength: harpy eagle>philippines eagle>crowned eagle>martial eagle>golden eagle>White-tailed eagle>bald eagle and so on.
Check your pm.

 

[Blubeak_2007]

Lappet-faced vultures do not need to tear open the soft parts of most carcasses (they can tear open fresh hide of most animals and regarding rhino, elephant, hippo, and girrafe carcasses, they would have to pick on the soft part but not on the rest - the lappet-faced vulture still has the strongest beak of all birds of prey - stronger than any eagle or vulture). If you observed the beak - its really compressed.


I acctually agree with you on that one but my final opinion, beak strength: lappet-faced vulture>eurasian black vulture>steller's sea eagle>philippine's monkey eagle>white-headed vulture>griffons>harpy eagle>white-tailed eagle>bald eagle>golden eagle>martial eagle and so on and talon strength: harpy eagle>philippines eagle>crowned eagle>martial eagle>golden eagle>White-tailed eagle>bald eagle and so on.
Check your pm.

In your opinion the Steller's has the strongest beak among eagles But looking at their beak's design...A compressed sharp dagger like beak is more effective coz they use it downward and not sideways just like a dagger or hunting knife. for me the strongest beak among eagles -still the Philippine eagle not to mention the prey that these eagle's take Steller's sea eagle basically feeds on fish while the PEagle feeds on reptiles and mammals.

Looking at the beak design of Lappet-faced vulture and the Philippine eagle, looks closely similar to me in size and shape both are compressed I dont know If you will agree check them out. (I can't post the pics (the IMG code is turned-OFF) 'not working.')

]=TheCrow;1622046]And tearing meat from though hide is different from tearing meat from animals with thinner skin. It is impressive regarding the performance of the philippine's eagle taking on a python, however, the eagle did lose its energy.

Looking at the Philippine eagle's large sharp powerful beak I think It could also dig-in through a tough hide especially when you are just sitting and have all the time in the world like the Vultures to pick on a DEAD animals Who knows it migth even do better? You are correct though Losing energy to a gruelling figth with a powerful snake maybe 50 times stronger than to a hollow bone birds like the eagles is really impressive.



I agree on your opinions except on the beak strength and on Talon strength

Talon strength: Harpy-Philippine eagle a toss up between the two,> African crowned eagle,>Golden eagle,>Martial eagle,>Wedge-tailed eagle,>Great-horned Owl and ...


ATB

 

[BrownnishSkua]

In your opinion the Steller's has the strongest beak among eagles But looking at their beak's design...A compressed sharp dagger like beak is more effective coz they use it downward and not sideways just like a dagger or hunting knife. for me the strongest beak among eagles -still the Philippine eagle not to mention the prey that these eagle's take Steller's sea eagle basically feeds on fish while the PEagle feeds on reptiles and mammals.

I undersatnd what you mean, I am not sure if the steller's sea eagle has a stronger beak compared to a philippine's monkey eagle, however, I like to say that it is still strong enough to rip through salmon means something even if salmon is not as tough as raptiles. Stller's also hunt other animals occassionally other than salmon (e.g. foxes). A sharp danger which slices downwards is only for quick killing and one used for slicing sideways can acctually create more damage even if vital organs are not touch (both eagles are capable of doing both with one specialise in one more than the other).

Looking at the beak design of Lappet-faced vulture and the Philippine eagle, looks closely similar to me in size and shape both are compressed I dont know If you will agree check them out. (I can't post the pics (the IMG code is turned-OFF) 'not working.')

Comparing beaks using seperate pictures would not necessarily give you an accurate comparison (putting them side by side would - for example putting a golden eagle's talon and bald eagle's talons on seperate pictures will not be nearly as accurate as putting them side by side. The lappet-faced vulture's beak is more like a ripper and a chropper for tearing down tough hide of even the largest animals (starts from the weaker parts of elephant,rhino, girrafe, or hippo but it can tear directly through zebra, wildebeast, and python cascase which are fresh easily - sorry for repeating myself). The philippine's monkey eagle's beak looks like its more for stabbing and tearing and both beaks seem to be compressed yet the lappet-faced vulture's beak is measured to be 10cm long and 5 cm deep (much larger than the philippine's eagles beak - info on the eagles beak size posted by balawe - therefore despite both beaks being strong and compressed - the lappet-faced vulture's beak is still stronger, heavier, and larger).

Looking at the Philippine eagle's large sharp powerful beak I think It could also dig-in through a tough hide especially when you are just sitting and have all the time in the world like the Vultures to pick on a DEAD animals Who knows it migth even do better? You are correct though Losing energy to a gruelling figth with a powerful snake maybe 50 times stronger than to a hollow bone birds like the eagles is really impressive.

Well, the philippine's monkey eagle doesn't need a beak as strong as a lappet-faced vulture because it is not made to open hide the way the lappet-faced vulture is and lappet-faced vultures sometimes rip open tough hide or large animals and just lose interest in the carcase much to the benefit of the lesser vultures - they don't just pick on dead animals as there are seasons which they do hunting of their own too.
However, I agree that eagle taking on python is impressive.

I agree on your opinions except on the beak strength and on Talon strength

Talon strength: Harpy-Philippine eagle a toss up between the two,> African crowned eagle,>Golden eagle,>Martial eagle,>Wedge-tailed eagle,>Great-horned Owl and ...


ATB

No wroories, each to their own .

 

[BALAWE]

That is your opinion but looking to the structure of the birds beak of Steller and Philippine eagles the compressed large arch dagger like beak is a lot stronger than the hallow inverted "V" shape of the Steller's beak.

In strength of materials looking at these shape I would say the Philippine eagles beak is stronger than the Steller's which is basically a FISH eater. While the Philippine eagle eats reptiles and mammals. Philippine retcs python are the most common snakes in the Philippine forests you can occasinally find one even in the cities and populated urban areas. I beleived it's not the one time encounter of the eagle and the python as you were saying. Philippine eagles are more closely related to snake eagles than the Harpies group of eagles. It regularly take snakes for a prey.

I agree with you... as they say "Relate the structure to the function". It has the rigth tool for the job Sharp high arch compressed powerful beak.

Link:http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/2009/1/Large-bill-skull.htm

Thanks for the PM Crow..

 

[Blubeak_2007]

Comparing beaks using seperate pictures would not necessarily give you an accurate comparison (putting them side by side would - for example putting a golden eagle's talon and bald eagle's talons on seperate pictures will not be nearly as accurate as putting them side by side. The lappet-faced vulture's beak is more like a ripper and a chropper for tearing down tough hide of even the largest animals (starts from the weaker parts of elephant,rhino, girrafe, or hippo but it can tear directly through zebra, wildebeast, and python cascase which are fresh easily - sorry for repeating myself). The philippine's monkey eagle's beak looks like its more for stabbing and tearing and both beaks seem to be compressed yet the lappet-faced vulture's beak is measured to be 10cm long and 5 cm deep (much larger than the philippine's eagles beak - info on the eagles beak size posted by balawe - therefore despite both beaks being strong and compressed - the lappet-faced vulture's beak is still stronger, heavier, and larger).


Well, the philippine's monkey eagle doesn't need a beak as strong as a lappet-faced vulture because it is not made to open hide the way the lappet-faced vulture is and lappet-faced vultures sometimes rip open tough hide or large animals and just lose interest in the carcase much to the benefit of the lesser vultures - they don't just pick on dead animals as there are seasons which they do hunting of their own too.
However, I agree that eagle taking on python is impressive.

See that's what Im saying they are similar in DESIGN I was trying to show their beak in pics just to give idea how they look like closely (picture comparison very unreliable it pepends on the angle of the object taken) According to your source? (Could you post your source pls.) LFV beaks measures 10 cm x 5 cm while Philppine eagle has a (73.3 x 50.6 x 72.6 mm) or 7.3 x 5.6 x 7.2 cm on AVERAGE size actually quite small diff in length (2.7 cm) IF it was really 10 cm long? and the PE beak seems even deeper 5.6 cm 7.3 long with a large gape of 72.6. where else you couldn't agree? it's very clear.

About those animals with thick hide you've mention they are not accessible to PE home range meaning nobody knows how the PE eagle would fair with the kind of beak I'm pretty sure It can do the same.

As the experts says "Relate the structure to the function"

Link; http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/2009/1/Large-bill-skull.htm

In closing Biologists recognize the significant difference among eagles and other birds like the Vultures: some are built to hunt in the tight confines of a forest, while others are designed to soar high above open plains and water with nary a wing flap while others evolved in feeding on dead and sometimes rotting carcassess they are all special with an important role to our environment that we all should respect and protect.

ATB

 

[BrownnishSkua]

See that's what Im saying they are similar in DESIGN I was trying to show their beak in pics just to give idea how they look like closely (picture comparison very unreliable it pepends on the angle of the object taken) According to your source? (Could you post your source pls.) LFV beaks measures 10 cm x 5 cm while Philppine eagle has a (73.3 x 50.6 x 72.6 mm) or 7.3 x 5.6 x 7.2 cm on AVERAGE size actually quite small diff in length (2.7 cm) IF it was really 10 cm long? and the PE beak seems even deeper 5.6 cm 7.3 long with a large gape of 72.6. where else you couldn't agree? it's very clear.

Well, according to my source? I don't have one with words but I do have a pciture comparison here:

Talons of (left > right): Harpy Eagle, Golden Eagle, Bald Eagle,
Great Horned Owl, Red-tailed Hawk, & Peregrine Falcon

If you put a golden eagle and bald eagle (especially on seperate pictures etc) side by side, its sometimes hard to tell the difference if but in that picture above where you put their talons close together, you can see the bald eagle is the one with longer talons.
Ok i must have forgoten my methamatics on that i thought that 1cm makes a 100mm and the PE is not that much deeper according to the information posted (though I acknowledged I stuff on on my measurements here.'Vultures of Africa' by Peter Mundy and others say the lappet-faced vulture's beak is still the largest).
Anyway, regarding the gape of the lappet-faced vulture (which i think is larger and has a stronger beak than the philippine's eagle and still looks more compressed), I can't find any measurements even on that book but it is said that the lappet-faced vulture and the white-headed vulture have the largest gapes of any vulture. Bearded vulture have very large gapes too to allow them to swallow bones up to 10 inches long.
According to 'Vulture of Africa' by Peter Mundy, the lappet-faced vultures and white-headed vultures have broad heads and large or broad (can't remember the exact sentence) beaks, griffons and white-backed vultures have broad beaks and narrow heads, and hooded an egyptian vultures have broad heads and narrow beaks.

About those animals with thick hide you've mention they are not accessible to PE home range meaning nobody knows how the PE eagle would fair with the kind of beak I'm pretty sure It can do the same.

Well, in that case it doesn't mean the steller's sea eagle necessarily have a beak which is weaker than the PE because there are no raptiles in its area. In that case the steller's sea eagle can still tear through raptile skin as easily as the phillippine's monkey eagle too.
Well, as said I hope for a good bite force test of birds of prey to come but until then the lappet-faced vultures beak is the stronger (more compressed though both looks the same) than the philippine's monkey eagle and other eagles until there is a test to proof otherwise though by nature scavengers have stronger jaws compared to predators (usually).
The eurasian black vulture's beak while powerful is said to be unable to do the 'smashing' the lappet-faced vulture's beak can but I still believe it just like the lappet-faced vulture does exceed the beak power of any eagle. It too is a ripper - scavengers specility (longer but less massive than LPVs).

[As the experts says "Relate the structure to the function"

Link; http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/2009/1/Large-bill-skull.htm

In closing Biologists recognize the significant difference among eagles and other birds like the Vultures: some are built to hunt in the tight confines of a forest, while others are designed to soar high above open plains and water with nary a wing flap while others evolved in feeding on dead and sometimes rotting carcassess they are all special with an important role to our environment that we all should respect and protect.

ATB

Well, I am doing my part and about to return to this quest again soon once I start getting paid, I am acctually about to support a few charities to do so and have done so before. Forest eagles seem to have the strongest talons pound to pound followed by booted eagles then finally fish eagles. vultures like booted and fish eagles are capable of soaring great heights.
Most vultures can only tear rotting skin of antelopes and larger animals but as said there are vultures in leaugues of their own and makes them unique.
While griffons are incapable of tearing fresh hide of antelopes unlike lappet-faced vultures and eurasian black vultures, they are still capable of tearing open the skin of primates at least.
And btw eagles seem to feed on the soft part of their prey too and while capable of using their beaks in combat etc, most of the killing is done with their talons:

Prey is fed on for a couple of days, even in summer when carcasses tend to rot very quickly. The soft stomach parts are fed on first. The birds usually start by clipping away hair with their razor-sharp bills, and then they tear open the soft skin between the legs.

http://www.birdinfo.co.za/landbirds/53_african_crowned_eagle.htm

 

[BALAWE]

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If you put a golden eagle and bald eagle (especially on seperate pictures etc) side by side, its sometimes hard to tell the difference if but in that picture above where you put their talons close together, you can see the bald eagle is the one with longer talons.
Ok i must have forgoten my methamatics on that i thought that 1cm makes a 100mm and the PE is not that much deeper according to the information posted (though I acknowledged I stuff on on my measurements here.'Vultures of Africa' by Peter Mundy and others say the lappet-faced vulture's beak is still the largest).
Anyway, regarding the gape of the lappet-faced vulture (which i think is larger and has a stronger beak than the philippine's eagle and still looks more compressed), I can't find any measurements even on that book but it is said that the lappet-faced vulture and the white-headed vulture have the largest gapes of any vulture. Bearded vulture have very large gapes too to allow them to swallow bones up to 10 inches long.
According to 'Vulture of Africa' by Peter Mundy, the lappet-faced vultures and white-headed vultures have broad heads and large or broad (can't remember the exact sentence) beaks, griffons and white-backed vultures have broad beaks and narrow heads, and hooded an egyptian vultures have broad heads and narrow beaks.

Sorry but pictures are not that reliable when it comes to measurements of beak. It means there are no actual measurement of LFV's beak? "Peter Mundy and the pther's" I acknowledge the expertice to their studies with Vulture's of Africa But they dont have the actual size of beak measurements or experiments on how sharp,strong their beak are of LFV and the other Large Birds of prey such as eagles...

Well, in that case it doesn't mean the steller's sea eagle necessarily have a beak which is weaker than the PE because there are no raptiles in its area. In that case the steller's sea eagle can still tear through raptile skin as easily as the phillippine's monkey eagle too.
Well, as said I hope for a good bite force test of birds of prey to come but until then the lappet-faced vultures beak is the stronger (more compressed though both looks the same) than the philippine's monkey eagle and other eagles until there is a test to proof otherwise though by nature scavengers have stronger jaws compared to predators (usually).
The eurasian black vulture's beak while powerful is said to be unable to do the 'smashing' the lappet-faced vulture's beak can but I still believe it just like the lappet-faced vulture does exceed the beak power of any eagle. It too is a ripper - scavengers specility (longer but less massive than LPVs).

Eagles are basically more superior than Vultures in strength overall they can kill, tear their prey with their powerful sharp beak especially with their long sharp powerful talons and lift heavy load of prey which the Vultures are not capable of which evolved in finding food on the ground eventually evolved into a scavengers. Eagles are the top aireal predators however they beat the eagles in finding food through their powerful smelling capability from miles away. (the smell of rotting carcass)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vultures

 

[BrownnishSkua]

Sorry but pictures are not that reliable when it comes to measurements of beak. It means there are no actual measurement of LFV's beak? "Peter Mundy and the pther's" I acknowledge the expertice to their studies with Vulture's of Africa But they dont have the actual size of beak measurements or experiments on how sharp,strong their beak are of LFV and the other Large Birds of prey such as eagles...

The only measurement of beaks present is the LPVs and you are right, there is unfortunately no chart with the acctual measurements available but the book still said the LPV has the largest beak of all vultures and birds of prey but unfortunately no comparison of the actual strength with eagles though it is said the EBV is unlikely to be able to do the 'smashing' which the LPV can do (and I still believe the LPVs beak is stronger than any eagle given its diet - it acctually prefers the tougher parts of the fresh carcasses of large animals - e.g. tendon, ligament, and hide while griffons and other lesser vultures prefer the softer parts). The eurasian black vulture's beak is not that too far behind and is also capable of doing the same generally but not as well.

Eagles are basically more superior than Vultures in strength overall they can kill, tear their prey with their powerful sharp beak especially with their long sharp powerful talons and lift heavy load of prey which the Vultures are not capable of which evolved in finding food on the ground eventually evolved into a scavengers.

Eagles feet are better made for quick/explosive killing, crushing, and carrying food / prey while the vultures are made for ground scrapping. I have already agreed with you that eagles are overall stronger especially pound to pound (with a few exceptions) but again vultures are on average larger. Saying that all vultures can't lift food is incorrect as lappet-faced vultures and white-headed vultures do lift food back to their nest whereas eurasian black vultures, bearded vultures, and palm nut vultures are capable of carrying food with their feet (there was only one record of the EBV doing so). The rest of the vultures are uncapable of carrying food with their feet and beaks but their feet and beaks are still used for combat against smaller eagles and each other.
ThereAre at least two records of egyptian vultures killing hares in spain according to 'Vultures of Africa' by Peter Mundy and is unfortunately dominated by its less predatory cousin - the hooded vulture at carcasses, however, at ostrich eggs, it will fight vigirously to defend its food.

Eagles are the top aireal predators however they beat the eagles in finding food through their powerful smelling capability from miles away. (the smell of rotting carcass)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vultures

Only new world vultures like the turkey vulture is capable of using smell to find food and thus followed by the american black vultures. Old world vultures like raptors search for food using solely sight.

 

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Only new world vultures like the turkey vulture is capable of using smell to find food and thus followed by the american black vultures. Old world vultures like raptors search for food using solely sight.

I agree BUT there are no eagle species using smell in finding food belonging to diurnal animals they relie to their powerful sight and crowned facial disk feathers to amplify their haerings like the forest eagles.