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The Swarovski 8x25 CL Pocket (Latest version) (1 Viewer)

MikeRottier

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The Swarovski CL Pocket 8x25 (latest version)

There is a video on youtube from Camilla and I that states that the CL pocket is “as good as the 8.5x42 EL”. That is a bold statement, especially when considering that the EL is one of the pinacles in modern binoculars technology. But is it true ? Well,that's were it gets personal. In his view it's true. No doubt. In my view however it is a “Yes, it's true, but....”.
(As a sidenote, in the video he is comparing the 10x CL, I'll be discussing the 8x version. Maybe the 10x version indeed really is asgood as the EL)

There are two questions first. What is a good pair of binoculars, and the number two question: what is a nice pair of binoculars ? For some people they have to go tegether, for some not.
Personally I tend to put more emphasis on the importance of nice. So, what makes a nice pair of binoculars ?

The things that count for me:

Big view ! And what I mean is: big image circles. It's not the same as a big FOV or AFOV. I often see these terms used, and I have the impression that people use this to describe all sorts of things except the thing I find important. So, big image circles. And in practice that translates mostly in big eyepiece diameters.

Nice colours. This differs from brand to brand. You like it ornot.

3d feeling. I have an old Horizon de Luxe, and that thing is wonderful in that regard. I also like the looks from a Meopta B1. It is not so much 3d as wel that the B1 has a beautifull layering in the in-focus and out of focus parts of the image.

Yes sharpnes. It is important. But my old Horizon de Luxe is alsosharp enough.

Clarity. No haze, glare or dull looking images.

Handling. How does it feel in your hands, does it carry nice, how is the focusser working. That sort of things.

Alright. Back to the CL now. Let's check the boxes.

The big view. Well, not so much. It's not small, but it doesn't have the wide image circles of an EL or NL. But for a pair of pocket binoculars it's okay. Certainly better than similar Leica's I tried out.

Image quality, colours and clarity: no problems here. It is wickedly sharp everywhere in the field. Nice and bright, no haze, no glare. There is the slightest amount of imagined purple fringing in the area next to where you are looking at when viewing a naked tree at a white sky. Barely visible and when you look at it directly it is gone. It only happens in extreme conditions, in normal use you won't notice it. Colours are nice and good, although it has the typical Swarovski look, the same as its more expensive brethren. White birds against dark backgrounds don't wash out to white blobs with no detail. Shadow details are good. I didn't encounter glare problemswith them, which is nice. So yes: very, very good.
So, to make a long story short: yes. In this regard it is just as good as the EL.

3d feeling.
This one can be short: forget it with this CL. You will see a perfect image, but it lacks a bit of liveneness, of "being there". The image quality is impeccable, don't get me wrong, but the image doesn't come to life. The out of focus areas are nicely recognisable, which is handy when you are searching for things in a landscape, but you don'tget the subject to come loose from its surroundings like you get with big aperture photographic tele lenses, or some other binoculars. Of course it is a pocket bino. There is litle room between the tubes to create a 3d feeling.

Handling and construction.
It is very well made. If you like precise mechanics and a good feeling piece of equipment you will like the CL. It's an engineering masterpiece with a nice dense feeling to it. No play, no wiggle whatsoever. The focusser is very smooth and light (not too light !) with no grittiness and very direct. So far it is the nicest focusser I have ever encountered. A bit strange was that in the first week or so I felt some sort of little tic when moving the focusser past a certain point, like there was some sort of thin plastic sheet or so that was in the focusser mechanics. It cleared out after the first week and didn't come back. Maybe it just needed to be worn in.
The eyecups are okay. A litlle bit small (which is to be expected for a pocket binocular). Too bad they only have two positions: in or out. I was constantly readjusting them. Luckily they stayed relatively good in position when you put them halfway out.
It fits nicely in my hands, and it's nice to hold them whilst viewing.
The provided strap is nice, albeit a litle bit thin. And it has no logo ! How will people standing behind me be able to tell that I'm cool ?
The provided case is nice and well made, but you have to fold the bino's to use it, and it is a litle bit cramped when you have the eyecups on.
They come without front covers. I didn't found this a problem. The eyecup covers are nice and work as expected.

So. That's it. If you are searching for an exceptional pair of binoculars whith impeccable image quality that you can put in your jacket pocket (Yes, it fits) and have with you wherever you go: go for it. It's an exceptional tool to get the job done. But there is a bit of a problem for me. It's perfect, but it doesn't thrill me. The view is technicly one of the best you will get from a pair of binoculars, but I didn't get the wow-factor I got with the Swarovski Junior that I tested a while ago. For a pair of pocket binoculars this is as good as it gets. And it better be for the hefty price you have to pay for them.
 
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Image circles?

I see a single circular field of view, but I'm not sure what you see.
If you're able to, take a NL Pure, or a Zeiss Conquest, and look through them. Then take a, for example, CL Pocket and look through them. The last ones probably will have more of a tunnel effect. If you don't see the difference, trying to explain it is useless. Sorry.
 
Read what I wrote to you and try it. if you don't get it, there is no point in explaining.
When you look through the binocular you see one circle unless you are too close to what you are viewing or the binocular is messed up . That one circle that you see is the field of view or the "image circle" as you have named it .
 
When you look through the binocular you see one circle unless you are too close to what you are viewing or the binocular is messed up . That one circle that you see is the field of view or the "image circle" as you have named it .
OP specifically stated “It's not the same as a big FOV or AFOV.”

I’m not having much luck finding out what it is.
 
FWIW, these were my favorite 25mm-and-under binocular as well. They seem to do the best job with the natural limitations of tiny aperture and size. The CL 8x25 and some $125 pair of 25mm Nikons I tried at the optics fair were the only ones I liked.
 
I assume he means the difference in exit pupil size between 8x25 and 8x42 binoculars. The larger EP shows a bigger ‘window’ or you could say ‘circle’; a more ‘open’ view when looking through a bino with a bigger EP.
 
I assume he means the difference in exit pupil size between 8x25 and 8x42 binoculars. The larger EP shows a bigger ‘window’ or you could say ‘circle’; a more ‘open’ view when looking through a bino with a bigger EP.
Thank you Beth, but I truly have no clue what he is talking about.

It seems to me to be a classic example of why we use a carefully defined vocabulary, when we talk about these things.

Addendum:
I've thought about it, and I believe you may have hit on it.

The exit pupil certainly sounds plausible.

I guess it depends on whether he's looking at it, or through it.


Cheers!
Richard
 
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Big view ! And what I mean is: big image circles. It's not the same as a big FOV or AFOV. I often see these terms used, and I have the impression that people use this to describe all sorts of things except the thing I find important. So, big image circles. And in practice that translates mostly in big eyepiece diameters.
Hi Mike,
Here I think you mean the larger exit pupil size (not eye piece or ocular lens diameter). an 8x42 bino having over 2mm larger exit pupil compared to 8x25 bino will show a bigger image circle view. The larger exit pupil diameter (circle) in the 8x42 makes a larger window or circle when viewing while the 8x25 can look somewhat tunnel-like in comparison. So it’s not the lens diameter but the exit pupil size which is the cone of light passing through the bino to your eyes. I hope I’ve explained this well. I’ll never win any awards for my writing.
 
Hi Mike,
Here I think you mean the larger exit pupil size (not eye piece or ocular lens diameter). an 8x42 bino having over 2mm larger exit pupil compared to 8x25 bino will show a bigger image circle view. The larger exit pupil diameter (circle) in the 8x42 makes a larger window or circle when viewing while the 8x25 can look somewhat tunnel-like in comparison. So it’s not the lens diameter but the exit pupil size which is the cone of light passing through the bino to your eyes. I hope I’ve explained this well. I’ll never win any awards for my writing.
Quite a lot of reactions concerning my 'big view' words.
Unfortunately exit pupil size is not the culprit. An NL Pure 8x32 has a smaller exit pupil than a Zeiss Terra 8x42, and the 'view' is still a lot 'bigger'.
Let me describe it in another way. You have two televisions screens. One is 1 meter wide, the other 2 meters. Same field of view, same viewing distance. And everything around the screens is black (like the tubes in a binocular). The 2 meter version now has a lot (in my words) 'bigger view'. Does this clarify it ?
You could say that it's AFOV that I'm describing here, but even here I see wildly different explanations and interpretations.
 
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When you look through the binocular you see one circle unless you are too close to what you are viewing or the binocular is messed up . That one circle that you see is the field of view or the "image circle" as you have named it .
Yes I know :) But that is not what I'm mentioning here. But, speaking of it: why is it that in movies you see this two circles that are merging partly when they want to give you the impression that the person in the movie is looking through a pair of binoculars ?
 
I, for one, haven’t a clue what you are talking about, especially since you stated originally that I wasn’t FOV or AFOV.

Whatever you mean by “big image circles” remains a total mystery to me.

What they show in the movies has absolutely nothing to do with looking through binoculars in the real world, so I don't think it is relevant.
 
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I think he's talking about "scene immersion", which is a combination of a wide AFOV with good eye relief, and also depends on the shape of the eyepiece lens.
It's roughly the difference described between similar NL / SRBC.
 

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