Singing female-type seedeater in Bucaramanga, Colombia (1 Viewer)

[Valéry Schollaert]

I'm interested by your opinion about the identification of the bird singing in this video I filmed this evening.

I had identified the bird when I saw it, but I'm surprised by the fact a brown bird is singing (young male ?) and it is not the song I'm used to (also because it is young ?).

Thanks very much et greetings for Colombia !

 

[mjh73]

In that area Large-billed Seed-finch is most likely. Which I initially went for but didn't feel it was quite right!

The other bird that resembles is Chestnut-bellied Seed-eater but that doesn't show here on ebird.

I need to do more investigating to be sure hopefully a local will be along shortly to confirm to save me the bother!

 

[Valéry Schollaert]

In that area Large-billed Seed-finch is most likely. Which I initially went for but didn't feel it was quite right!

The other bird that resembles is Chestnut-bellied Seed-eater but that doesn't show here on ebird.

I need to do more investigating to be sure hopefully a local will be along shortly to confirm to save me the bother!

Thank you. I've seen Thick-billed SF here, but not (yet) Large-billed, that is not on the e-Bird list.

 

[THE_FERN]

looks and to my ear sounds (cf Macauley) like chestnut-bellied seed-finch

 

[Valéry Schollaert]

looks and to my ear sounds (cf Macauley) like chestnut-bellied seed-finch

Yes, hence my question. Chesntut-bellied is not supposed to be here ; indeed, all males I saw were all Thick-billed Seedfinchs. The bird I filmed looked like a female Thick-billed but why she is singing then and the song is unusual. Can you exclude a young male Thick-billed ?

Attached the adult male living around our singer.

 

[THE_FERN]

Proaves guide says may be conspecific. Venezuela guide says the forms interbreed in the Santa Marta and upper Magdalena valley areas. Listen to the songs and see what you think

 

[Valéry Schollaert]

Proaves guide says may be conspecific. Venezuela guide says the forms interbreed in the Santa Marta and upper Magdalena valley areas. Listen to the songs and see what you think

Hi there. Yes, I submitted to local birders and hybrids are indeed known around. I hope to watch this individual again and see how it evolves... the video was taken from the terrasse of my new house here, so chances are quite high!

 

[SpinySoftware]

For what it's worth, I ran it through the ChirpOMatic analyser for Central/South America (a work in progress), and it put Chesntut-bellied in first place on 30% probability, and Thick-billed Seed-Finch on only 7%.

 

[Valéry Schollaert]

For what it's worth, I ran it through the ChirpOMatic analyser for Central/South America (a work in progress), and it put Chesntut-bellied in first place on 30% probability, and Thick-billed Seed-Finch on only 7%.

Thank you... 30% is still low... I hope AI will not be able to identify too well birds, otherwise birders, as will be humans in other topics, will become useless. Some people already dream to cull "useless" people...

 

[Valéry Schollaert]

I've seen the same bird again, singing the same song again. It is a few meters from my house, so I hope to see it moulting, I hope the next plumage will show a young adult male and allow proper identification.

 

[SpinySoftware]

Thank you... 30% is still low... I hope AI will not be able to identify too well birds, otherwise birders, as will be humans in other topics, will become useless. Some people already dream to cull "useless" people...

It's comparative, 30% is low, but it is a lot higher than 7%.

 

[Valéry Schollaert]

It's comparative, 30% is low, but it is a lot higher than 7%.

AI "opinion" doesn't interest me anyway, I advice everyone not to use it, as at the end, if it works, birders will become useless, as human beings will become useless if AI can do everything.

 

[Valéry Schollaert]

Hi all,

I've seen this morning, deeper in the forest, a somewhat similar individual at about one mile from the Decmber one. What would you think please ?

 

[AveryBartels]

I think you are on the right track in that you need to see adult males to make a confident ID between Thick-billed/Chestnut-bellied. If you are only seeing Thick-billed adult males then you can probably assume that all/almost all of these "female-types" are also Thick-billed.

 

[Valéry Schollaert]

I think you are on the right track in that you need to see adult males to make a confident ID between Thick-billed/Chestnut-bellied. If you are only seeing Thick-billed adult males then you can probably assume that all/almost all of these "female-types" are also Thick-billed.

did you listen to the song I recorded of the singing individual ? I've seen suggested it is more angolensis type than funerea. Any idea ?