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Sagres - autumn migrants seen 2013 (1 Viewer)

Quiet afternoon but we added thekla lark, woodpigeon, Curlew Sandpiper, little stint to our list.look forward to the griffon invasion! Seawatching poor this evening but huge passage of gannets, litterly hundreds per hour.2 willow warbler hotel garden this evening gives us a littlehope for tomorrow
 
I think you've been distracted by gulls Derek o:D

If you find a cristata its new for the area.

Your hotel garden will get a visit if you get certain passerines ;) Are you in Mareta?

Simon I find your comment extremely patronising. Distracted by gulls? What does that mean? And whats the comment about the hotel about? Please explain? Yesterday after 4vdays of flogging birdless Sagres we decided yesterday afternoon to head up the coast and inland, we had hoped that we werent going to have to do that but unfortunately because the birding is so shite here we did.nice drive but not many new birds but up some nameless moutain I found a party of 5 theklas which I photographed and sound recorded.spent 50 euros on diesel and 180kms and believe me it wasnt worth it for 5 thekla larks.
Im away out now for another day birding around sagrea ever hopefull that it wont be as shite as the previous 4 days.and yes I may look at gulls in the harbour so what? Your more than welcome to come round to the hotel garden to see the 2 willow warbler, my migrant warbler total so far 3 willow warbler, 1 chiffchaff, 1 whitethroat (that maybe even wasnt a migrant) its been absolutely dire, thats hardly stringing on an industrial scale. Will continue to post sightings or lack of them.
 
Early morning seawatch quiet but good views as bird's were passing close to point.10 balearics, 1 sooty, 2 yelkeown types, 10 bonxie, 1 2cy Audoins and lots of corys.new bird in shape of a razorbill, highlight was 2 group of dolphin one close to shore.
A second new bird were 2 WRYNECK found independantly by myself and majella, but no migrants in the secret hidden magic garden.off out to frazzle our minds with seagulls and look for the willow warblers!
 
A Beaudouin's Snake Eagle (Circaetus beaudouini) was recorded and photographed in Sagres on October 7th by João Guilherme and Martin Hodges; seen again on October 8th by Rui Caratão and Jorge Safara.

This may well be the first record for the Palearctic of this African species.
 
Passerine hunting produced 1 bee eater and 1 reed warbler! seawatching was disapointing with flat calm seas and just a handful of corys. 2 adult dark mantled ylgs remain in Sagres harbour were a whimberal was new. Griffon vulture at last and 4 short toed eagle contained an interesting juvenile with just faint barring right down inc the tail, worthy of further investigation.
 
Simon I find your comment extremely patronising. Distracted by gulls? What does that mean? And whats the comment about the hotel about? Please explain? Yesterday after 4vdays of flogging birdless Sagres we.............. Im away out now for another day birding around sagrea ever hopefull that it wont be as shite as the previous 4 days.and yes I may look at gulls in the harbour so what? Your more than welcome to come round to the hotel garden to see the 2 willow warbler, my migrant warbler total so far 3 willow warbler, 1 chiffchaff, 1 whitethroat (that maybe even wasnt a migrant) its been absolutely dire, thats hardly stringing on an industrial scale. Will continue to post sightings or lack of them.

This is a pity!

Derek - hang on there a minute matey - I'm actually proud that you have the expertise and patience to grill the gulls - and turn up a few interesting birds. You have totally mis-understood my comments. As I know you I was just trying to be friendly and casual.

My little joke about Thekla Lark was simply because, as one of the most abundant residents on the peninsula (only place where they are coastal in the south Algarve) I was genuinely surprised that you mentioned them as new birds after days here. I could only think that you were spending hours doing the seabirds, which I think is commendable - OK? You have had the only Kittiwake and Razorbill that has been seen up to now this autumn - and I thank you for the additions to the migrants species recorded.

My comment about your "secret garden" at your hotel was simply because - as I have commented to colleagues you are a sharp birder and I wouldn't have been at all surprised if you found something in your garden. If you had found for eg: a RB Fly then myself and all the raptor team at least would have wanted to go for it.

Like any migration hotspot there are ups and downs but at least at Sagres, from the point of view of a foreign visitor there are always some nice resident species to see.

Any advice I have given you is based not only on my many years of experiences here but on the Portuguese ornithologists and birders vast experience of the area (who should not be under-estimated by the way!).

Your comments about the Sagres peninsula are totally unacceptable - its certainly not shite (as you put it) and although things have been unusually slow for migrants while you have been here - you only have to look back on this thread to see how it has been brilliant (and will be) some days - including today.

Derek, the whole reason of this thread is NOT for my benefit - I started it because I feel strongly that the area deserves more attention - something that you seem not care about and frankly your remarks do nothing for the areas popularity. SPEA have been running a bird festival to this end and actually we had some 930 very happy folk from all over the world who, in their own words had a magic migration experience.

I apologise if my comments were patronising or whatever - they certainly weren't meant that way. Please contact me directly if you have any personal issues - this thread is for Sagres not for our private banter.
 
A Beaudouin's Snake Eagle (Circaetus beaudouini) was recorded and photographed in Sagres on October 7th by João Guilherme and Martin Hodges; seen again on October 8th by Rui Caratão and Jorge Safara.

This may well be the first record for the Palearctic of this African species.

Thanks Gonçalo - I only got the final outcome this morning - went to bed early last night!

I was lucky enough to see this bird very well in the company of above mentioned. It has not been seen since (though we are still looking!).

Due to the outrageousness of the record folks have been keeping quiet (although we have been circulating rumours ;)) until reactions from various specialist confirmed the ID 100%. Yesterday evening the bird was confirmed as being a Beaudouin's - wow!

Many of us, although we've never seen a ST Eagle with solidly dark underwing coverts fooled ourselves into thinking it was probably an aberrant ST Eagle. I haven't in 30 years seeing 100's annually.

Photo of the bird here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jorgesafara/10272130323/in/pool-974517@N20

and I'll try and get some more to put up here later.
 
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Today, although migrants were slow - especially passerines, which is surprising, we had a rewarding day; We managed 12 species of raptors in about 2 hours and missed 2 more - they were 2 Bonelli's Eagles and a Goshawk because we were being a little distracted by the North African Long-legged Buzzard that has been on and off the last few days - its a wonderful bird and we had it circling for a few minutes at close range in lovely light. The remaining raptors were; 5 Griffon and 4 Egyptian Vultures, a Black and 2 Red Kites, migrating Common Buzzards and Sparrowhawks, 6 each or more of Booted and Short-toed Eagles, Kestrels, Peregrines and an Osprey. Half an hour near lunchtime at Cabo de São Vicente was predictably slow but even so steady southward passage of Gannets and nice views of Cory's and Balearic Shearwaters a Bonxie and an ad Pomarine Skua with full spoons were great fun.

Anyway...back to the list of migrants:

119: (Beaudouin's Snake Eagle Although previously stated as confirmed there still exists some caution amongst some others that are familiar with the species).
120: North African Long-legged Buzzard
121: Pallid Harrier seen by R.Caratão - a 2nd cal yr male going NE over Raposeira (some 7kms from Cabranosa)
122: Razorbill
123: Ring Ouzel - my first one of the "winter" today then heard that 2 were seen on the weekend.
 
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Hi Simon I will reply when I am back home.
This mornings seawatching was poor probably due to the still calm conditions. 1 gorgeous Sooty Shear close in was worth the admisson money alone and 1 manx and 3 yelkeown types (what else can they be?) were also close in. Highlight was a male peregrine which wizzed over my head and straight out to sea where it had a go at a whimberal and missed!
We decided to the head to Castro Verde as it had been so poor at Sagres. And what a place a personal fav of both Majella and myself.So many highlights but stunning views of 42 griffons was fantastic.on return to Sagres a look at the harbour had at least 2 dark mantled ylgs.a check of our passerine haunts and majella had what can only have been a western orphean warbler but it never showed for me! I made her walk home and she wont be getting any supper either!
 
Simon
I was wondering whether the four Short Toed and two black kites reached you at Cabranosa about 10 minutes after we left you at 3.15?
We had stopped to view a little bustard that had just run across the road the metal road, along with Pat and John who'd also been on the hill with us and had the LB on their wish list.Together with the black winged kite you'd found earlier,it had made their day.
The duelling Bonelli's and short toed eagle made it another fab day at Cabranosa !
 
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Very pale Balearics or even Minorcan...?

Hi Rafael
They in my opinion are not pale Balearics as they are different structurelly and you can even pick them out by their different flight action when with a group of balaeics.They are much closer to Manx Shears.I may be wrong and stand to be corrected but I thought menorcan shears were balearics that plumage wise were closer to yelkeown? Thats why I think they are yelkeown. If this isn't the case then its back to the drawing board.I have also seen some extremely pale balearics that had me thinking menorcan! But better not go there!
Is there any up to date info on menorcan? Photos etc of birds at sea for example?
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Last early morning seawatch but the wind was strong northerly, virtually no passage with a few corys milling about.2cy Audoins only bird of note.
Bee eater was in nearly same spot and 50 azure winged magpies on edge of village
 
Hi Rafael
They in my opinion are not pale Balearics as they are different structurelly and you can even pick them out by their different flight action when with a group of balaeics.They are much closer to Manx Shears.I may be wrong and stand to be corrected but I thought menorcan shears were balearics that plumage wise were closer to yelkeown?
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Yelkouan type Shearwater occur in Portugal, the problem of course is that Menorcan shearwater are very similar to yelkouan in color and structure, and probably not separable from land, and menorcan have a very problematic genetics…
 
Sagres

Last early morning seawatch but the wind was strong northerly, virtually no passage with a few corys milling about.2cy Audoins only bird of note.
Bee eater was in nearly same spot and 50 azure winged magpies on edge of village

Whereabouts was the bee-eater Majella?That is if you feel you can share .
Interesting posts by the way.
Thanks
Mick
 
Hi Mick, the Bee-eater has been around for a week or so - I keep hearing it between Cabranosa and Sagres. Its probably sick or injured - its so late and missed the boat with the 100's of 1,000's that summer in Portugal. I remember one bird that was still around in November a few years ago with very tatty wings, poor thing.
 
European bee-eater

Hi Mick, the Bee-eater has been around for a week or so - I keep hearing it between Cabranosa and Sagres. Its probably sick or injured - its so late and missed the boat with the 100's of 1,000's that summer in Portugal. I remember one bird that was still around in November a few years ago with very tatty wings, poor thing.

Yes as it happens Tina and Martin heard one over Cabranosa the other day,while I was chasing a warbler.
Whilst I sympathise with its plight, it would still be great to see over here.
Back up there tomorrow anyway.
Thanks
Mick :t:
 
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