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Pocket binoculars that fit in your pocket! (1 Viewer)

The problem is that many times a pocket bino is needed... but I certainly don't use any that cause blackout problems, I don't like it!
Sometimes I've looked for one and poof! I prefer a worse but more comfortable one... but what a pity not being able to enjoy the optics of an alpha because of that handicap!
 
The problem is that many times a pocket bino is needed... but I certainly don't use any that cause blackout problems, I don't like it!
Sometimes I've looked for one and poof! I prefer a worse but more comfortable one... but what a pity not being able to enjoy the optics of an alpha because of that handicap!
I believe the importance of having pocket binos depends on the birding habit of the person. I don't have many opportunities to go out for birding with the work I have. So, I like to do some birding and enjoy nature while going to work (I prefer to walk 4 km to my working place because of that). I can keep the tiny Club in my jacket pocket without having any problem with weight and space. So, NL 8x42 and Canon IS II 12x36 became the least used binos even though they provide a comfortable view or a more reach. But I will find more time for birding in the future to use them 🙂
 
@yarrellii and @Thotmosis Today I have given one last try to Eschenbach Club 8x20 before sending it back. What I found was interesting. This time I tried it without extending eyecups (normally I don't like to hold binos in front of my eyes so usually, I use them in an extended position). Without extending eyecups it produces a brighter and sharp enough image. However, Papilio II 6.5x21 produces a bit sharper image compared to the Club, which I believe because of the extra steadiness of x6.5 power. So Club requires careful positioning of the eyes with eyecups in zero position. After all, it is not a bad binocular but have to sacrifice a bit of viewing comfort (maybe I have to trim my eyelashes to avoid disturbances occurring because of them 😃). I will keep it and probably it will travel to Rome at the end of the month with me. Finally, I learned a lesson not to give up on anything in the first place.
However, I am sure compact binoculars from a top brand (e.g., UV 8x20 or 10x25) give a much more pleasurable experience. So I will not try to test them until I have enough money to buy one 😃😃
Congratulations! I'm sure you will find the little Club 8x20 a joy to use after you get used to it. It took me also some time to master my Leica UV 10x25 but after after a few sessions you get the drill. Have a nice trip to Rome and good luck with the Eschenbach.

Cheers,
T.
 
Congratulations! I'm sure you will find the little Club 8x20 a joy to use after you get used to it. It took me also some time to master my Leica UV 10x25 but after after a few sessions you get the drill. Have a nice trip to Rome and good luck with the Eschenbach.

Cheers,
T.
Thank you very much @Thotmosis 🙂 I tried the method mentioned by @Trinovid 8x32b and found out it is pretty useful. Now I can hold them steadily even in the floating position. Now I am using it every day.
 
@Dr. K Those have always looked intriguing (as an object, they're a thing of beauty). I inherited a pair of similar looking Zuiho 7x18, but they're in poor condition, so the viewing experience is really poor as well. Can you hold them steady.
 
@Dr. K Those have always looked intriguing (as an object, they're a thing of beauty). I inherited a pair of similar looking Zuiho 7x18, but they're in poor condition, so the viewing experience is really poor as well. Can you hold them steady.
I can hold them steady, yes. The trick, for me, is to hold them securely but gently, while bracing my hands against my forehead and outside my orbits. It takes a little fiddling at first to find the right position but now I’m quick to find it. They’re so small your hands about rest on your face by default when you hold the binoculars to your eyes.
 
I can hold them steady, yes. The trick, for me, is to hold them securely but gently, while bracing my hands against my forehead and outside my orbits. It takes a little fiddling at first to find the right position but now I’m quick to find it. They’re so small your hands about rest on your face by default when you hold the binoculars to your eyes.
My local dealer has both 7x15 and 6x15 and the 7 sample is incredibly better. I think sample variation may be an issue with the Mikrons. Some people have bought 5x on the used market.

One thing is certain, there is truth in advertsing with the Mikron, they really are binoculars not toys, and they really fit in your pocket, whatever size pocket you have :)

Edmund
 
More on pocket binoculars. Some weeks ago @eronald sparkled my curiosity in the Nikon Aculon 8x21.

I've made a very quick note of reference, a mini review of the Nikon Aculon 8x21 (in case it can be of use for someone in the future).

Got me a 8x21 Aculon to compare with my (so far) reference in pocket binoculars, the Nikon CF III 7x20 (for a bit of background, you can check previous posts on my quest for "my ideal pocket", going through Zeiss Terra, Swarovski Habicht and Leica Ultravid).

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The Aculon has a nice "shape factor" (well, I force myself to forget about the colour and glossy finish), it rests well in the hands and allows for a secure grip, in my opinion more so than double hinge designs. Focus action is soft and surprisingly adequate for the price. Seriously. It's really very soft, no play, nice. Yes, most probably it will be death in little time if you use it intensively. But, anyway, from this 70 $ Aculon to the A, E, SE and EII lines, the 1000 € MHG and the previous top of the range HGL, through different ranges of Monarch 5 and 7 I'm always surprised by how well Nikon gets focusing over and over again. I think this is remarkable and deserves praise.

The Aculon are lighter than the CF III, at 195 g they're really feather light, and also quite thin. The CF are shorter, but thicker.

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Both binoculars set at my 68 - 70 mm IPD

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So, shape, handling and weight seem very nice for a pocket device. It comes with a little thick cloth bag that closes with a cord. For pocket binoculars I find this solution actually better than a hard case (I find the hard one on the Terra 8x25 useless; the one on the 8x20 Ultravid literally fits 2 8x20 binoculars, as shown here).

And what about the optics? Well, this is a tough case when it comes to expressing the view, because price and size are very important parts of the whole experience and I don't think they can be left aside without being unfair. So bear that in mind while reading the following.
The view is reasonably bright, but it has some serious drawbacks. First, the sweet spot is really small, I find it difficult to quantify, but as soon as you reach half the radius of the image circle, it's pretty blurry. Compared to the CF III is noticeably worse. There's a sign some 100 m away from my window, if I place the text on the edge of the FOV, with the Aculon it's just a blurb, with the CF I can more or less guess what it says. Well, you obviously don't buy a 70 $ and sub 200 g device for edge performance, but this is just to give you an idea: the CF is simply better.
Sharpness is a real trouble, the image is flat and lacks "spark", when going back and forth between the Aculon and the CF, the CF is sharper, brighter and has way more engaging image (yes, it is unfair to compare a 7x to an 8x, but worth mentioning). As a matter of fact, and this could be my unit, getting a snap focus is really hard. Getting a sharp image to snap is really hard, it's somehow vague, you end up rocking the focuser back and forward, like if you were using a high mag device with an extremely shallow depth of field. It's probably the biggest flaw, it's quite frustrating.

Again, a short line to remind you that this is an extremely cheap device. Probably if you give it as a present to someone who has never used binoculars, they'll be seduced by the nice "quality feeling" of the body and focus wheel and would find the image pleasing, since it is reasonably bright (no apparent vignetting or dark edges). However, if they ever look through a Kowa YF or a Vortex Diamondback, they'll be spoiled.

And now for some "user experience". I've talked about it a lot in previous posts (even opened a thread about it), but eyecup comfort can be a deal breaker for me in any binoculars, and pockets are a very sensitive group, given their size limitations. And the Aculon is no exception.

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The inner diameter of the eyecups is around 21,5 mm, give or take. While a little wider than both the Leica Ultravid 8x20 and the Swarovski Habicht 8x20, they're still too narrow for me. Switching from the Aculon to the CF III is like going from a tight fitting shoe to a pair of sleepers you've been using for a long time: pure comfort and ease of use. Over and over again, when using pockets or binoculars with small exit pupils I come to the same conclusion when hearing/reading about "finicky eye position": it's not the exit pupil size, it's the eyecups. I've been recently using a Canon 8x20, with a smaller exit pupil than these Aculon, but with "full size binoculars" eyecups and... you've guessed it, the 2,5 mm exit pupil of the 8x20 Canon IS is perfectly OK, while the view through these 8x21 Aculon feels more claustrophobic and compromised.

I don't wear glasses, but it's worth mentioning that eye relief is pretty short in the Aculon.

So a personal list of pros and cons. As always, YMMV:
PROS
  • Cheap
  • Very light
  • Pretty small for a single hinge (won't fold as tiny as double hinge obviously)
  • Focus action is good
  • Handling and "grip" feel nice, a sense of quality and reassurance

CONS
  • Poor image quality: lack of sharpness and small sweet spot
  • Vague focus action, difficult to snap into focus (deal-breaker, for me)
  • Small eyecups (again, deal-breaker for me).

Comparing the CF III to the Aculon, I like my CF even more. And confirm several preferences.
  • I love 7x (in x35, x42, x50), but think that in binoculars with as many "compromises" as pocket binoculars, 7x is even more interesting, a great choice.
  • Eyecup size is crucial for me in compact/pocket binoculars.
  • Reverse porros are really well thought devices.
 
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When it comes to pocket binoculars, a very important component for me is the design and size. These binoculars gain importance as an object in themselves much more than large binoculars.
Mechanics and Design
For me the Leica Trinovid 8x20 (and 10x25) is the most successful series of pocket binoculars in terms of design and mechanics. Trino has a spartan profile. Nothing more than what is needed, everything being simple, useful and beautiful at the same time. Unlike Ultravid, Zeiss VP or Curio, Trinovid has a simple construction without mechanical complications (Ultravid has a much too complicated mechanical system for adjusting the diopter on the focus wheel, for a pair of binoculars with such a small mechanism parts. Curio has a kind of cover on the back for servicing, with a design, in my opinion a little unfinished. And Zeiss VP is not as small as the others and has the adjustment diopter very easy to turn involuntarily). But Trinovid shines with its simplicity of design. Let's not forget that this mechanical efficiency cannot come overnight. The Trinovid series has been "polished" and improved by generations of engineers and designers, now reaching full maturity! hats off for Trinovid! Here you can see the beautiful line of the design: Leica Trinovid 8x20 BCA-very new version review


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Optics
However, I use these type of binoculars very rarely only in emergency situations! When it comes to optics I can say that things become even more subjective. For me, any of these binoculars mentioned above have superb optics!!!!! Each has own weaknesses and strengths, it depends on everyone's preferences!
For example, Trinovid and Ultravid has a small AFOV. But this also creates an aesthetic advantage for me: I really like the perfectly shaped and sharp Trinovid field stop, that I can scan it directly at a glance! Very beautiful experience, as with the orthoscopic eyepieces for astronomy... Zeiss VP no longer has this advantage but has the largest and immersive AFOV in the group. Curio, being a 7x, I'm sure it comes with an extra aesthetic as well, with more depth of field and contrast illusion.
They all have something nice of them, so for someone like me, who only uses them occasionally, they are all excellent optically!
 
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On the extreme budget end of things, the Carson Scout 8x22 porros are surprisingly decent for their size and price ($35). I've found the image to be usably sharp, with nice FOV (the advertised 390 ft @ 1000 yds seems accurate), and OK build quality. As a bonus, the set I received focuses down to about 3 feet (half the advertised 6' min focus) which was nice for observing the Carolina Wrens that nested in the hanging flowerpot on our porch this summer, as we chilled out in our porch chairs a few feet away. There's an even tinier 7x18 version with an advertised FOV of 490ft@1000yds that would be even more pocketable and a bit cheaper, but I haven't personally used those.
 
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@yarrellii and @Thotmosis Today I have given one last try to Eschenbach Club 8x20 before sending it back. What I found was interesting. This time I tried it without extending eyecups (normally I don't like to hold binos in front of my eyes so usually, I use them in an extended position). Without extending eyecups it produces a brighter and sharp enough image. However, Papilio II 6.5x21 produces a bit sharper image compared to the Club, which I believe because of the extra steadiness of x6.5 power. So Club requires careful positioning of the eyes with eyecups in zero position. After all, it is not a bad binocular but have to sacrifice a bit of viewing comfort (maybe I have to trim my eyelashes to avoid disturbances occurring because of them 😃). I will keep it and probably it will travel to Rome at the end of the month with me. Finally, I learned a lesson not to give up on anything in the first place.
However, I am sure compact binoculars from a top brand (e.g., UV 8x20 or 10x25) give a much more pleasurable experience. So I will not try to test them until I have enough money to buy one 😃😃
Hi Viraj! I am a little curius about the E. Club 8x20. The tiny size atracts me alot as you can put it in the shirt pocket on the promenad to the work. Is it possible for you to upload a picture on the strap lugs? And if not to much problem measure the diameter of the eye lens (ocular lens size). This would be very useful information for me. All the best. Sincerely Magnus.
 
Hi Viraj! I am a little curius about the E. Club 8x20. The tiny size atracts me alot as you can put it in the shirt pocket on the promenad to the work. Is it possible for you to upload a picture on the strap lugs? And if not to much problem measure the diameter of the eye lens (ocular lens size). This would be very useful information for me. All the best. Sincerely Magnus.
Hi,

I am keeping it. However, these days it is not getting much use. I normally use Habicht 10x40 or Monarch 7 8x30. However, club is not inferior and actually I like it. However, I didn’t have a chance to compare it with high end models. I am wondering how it compare with curio or UV 8x20.
As you asked I measured the diameter of the ocular lens and it is approximately 1.6 cm. Please find the attached photos as well. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Have a great day

Best,
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Hi,

I am keeping it. However, these days it is not getting much use. I normally use Habicht 10x40 or Monarch 7 8x30. However, club is not inferior and actually I like it. However, I didn’t have a chance to compare it with high end models. I am wondering how it compare with curio or UV 8x20.
As you asked I measured the diameter of the ocular lens and it is approximately 1.6 cm. Please find the attached photos as well. Please let me know if you have any other questions.
Have a great day

Best,
Viraj! Thank you very much for the pictures and the information. Now I clearly see the position and design of the strap lugs. It is positioned in a pretty normal position. Not on the rim of the eye cup like my Leitz Trinovid, but a bit further down on the barrels. 1,6 cm in ocular lens diameter is quite large for a pocket, wich is a good thing!
Have a nice day!
 
When it comes to pocket binoculars, a very important component for me is the design and size. These binoculars gain importance as an object in themselves much more than large binoculars.
Mechanics and Design
For me the Leica Trinovid 8x20 (and 10x25) is the most successful series of pocket binoculars in terms of design and mechanics. Trino has a spartan profile. Nothing more than what is needed, everything being simple, useful and beautiful at the same time. Unlike Ultravid, Zeiss VP or Curio, Trinovid has a simple construction without mechanical complications (Ultravid has a much too complicated mechanical system for adjusting the diopter on the focus wheel, for a pair of binoculars with such a small mechanism parts. Curio has a kind of cover on the back for servicing, with a design, in my opinion a little unfinished. And Zeiss VP is not as small as the others and has the adjustment diopter very easy to turn involuntarily). But Trinovid shines with its simplicity of design. Let's not forget that this mechanical efficiency cannot come overnight. The Trinovid series has been "polished" and improved by generations of engineers and designers, now reaching full maturity! hats off for Trinovid! Here you can see the beautiful line of the design: Leica Trinovid 8x20 BCA-very new version review


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Optics
However, I use these type of binoculars very rarely only in emergency situations! When it comes to optics I can say that things become even more subjective. For me, any of these binoculars mentioned above have superb optics!!!!! Each has own weaknesses and strengths, it depends on everyone's preferences!
For example, Trinovid and Ultravid has a small AFOV. But this also creates an aesthetic advantage for me: I really like the perfectly shaped and sharp Trinovid field stop, that I can scan it directly at a glance! Very beautiful experience, as with the orthoscopic eyepieces for astronomy... Zeiss VP no longer has this advantage but has the largest and immersive AFOV in the group. Curio, being a 7x, I'm sure it comes with an extra aesthetic as well, with more depth of field and contrast illusion.
They all have something nice of them, so for someone like me, who only uses them occasionally, they are all excellent optically!
I don't find the diopter adjustment on my Ultravid 10x25 to be complicated, or fiddly at all. It's pure genius. Once it's set, there is really no way it gets knocked out adjustment. The only time it changes is when I hold down one simple button on the underside of the bridge. Set it and forget it.

I don't find any weaknesses. If I was forced to pick a weakness, it might be the field of view is not real wide. But I am immersed in the great views that I don't notice it.
 
Leica Trinovid 8x20 has lens ocular diameter same large 1.6cm (Ultravid 8x20 I suspect it has the same ocular diameter)View attachment 1472157
Leica Trinovid 8x20 has lens ocular diameter same large 1.6cm (Ultravid 8x20 I suspect it has the same ocular diameter)
Very interesting with your measurements of the Trinovid. I measured my Leitz Trinovid 8x20 BCA today and the ocular lens size was 14 mm, maybee 14,5 mm. 9EB4F15F-5BB8-4BD2-A71A-4F8B0171EA17.jpeg
 
Yes, your Leitz model is an older model with a smaller eye relief, so with a smaller eyepiece lens
 
I don't find the diopter adjustment on my Ultravid 10x25 to be complicated, or fiddly at all. It's pure genius. Once it's set, there is really no way it gets knocked out adjustment. The only time it changes is when I hold down one simple button on the underside of the bridge. Set it and forget it.

I don't find any weaknesses. If I was forced to pick a weakness, it might be the field of view is not real wide. But I am immersed in the great views that I don't notice it.

I'm sure, and i agree with you, that Ultravid has an efficient and more modern dioptre adjustment system than Trionovid, without weaknesses... But I wanted to emphasize something else: the difference in mechanical concept and design between them. Trinovid pocket bino is one of Leica's oldest "projects", the "Ultravid project" is more recent. This can be seen in the pocket Trinovid refinement of the design and in the paramount mechanical simplification.
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The difference between the Ultravid and the Trinovid is that in addition to the higher degree of Leica lens multi-coating, the Ultravids also have a highly reflective prism/mirror coating. Side by side, the Ultravids will be a bit brighter with more contrast, which is especially noticeable when viewing something against bright backgrounds. The Ultravid also has a much better focus wheel. I'm not positive, but I believe the UV is more waterproof and is nitrogen filled.

Roof prism with phase correcting coating P40 on the TV vs. Roof prism with phase correcting coating P40 and HighLux-System HLS on the UV.

HDC multicoating on the TV vs. HDC multicoating, AquaDura coating on outer lens on the UV.

That's about the only differences.
 

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