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Pentax AD 7x32 ED (1 Viewer)

That is interesting, a pity I did not keep the 10x longer to compare the mass of each. I sent mine back because the 7x had a sharper and more colorful (higher contrast) image than the 10x.

Also the 7x has much, much better eye relief. The 10x has a lower stated eye relief and the eyecups design rim thickness shaved off an additional 1-2mm of usable ER relative to the 7x. Which is just poor, considering the 7x already loses some er due to eyecups design.

Still love the format and value of the 7x32 which has been performing flawlessly, very nice build quality and imaging.

A pity the 10x didn't quite make the cut as it would have been nice to have the extra reach in that form factor.

One other comment after using both, eye position is critical to avoid glare. 7x is manageable but does require some exacting eye placement to reduce or eliminate glare.
 
I wonder if the weights are accurate (after all, you do come across typos on manufacturers' websites) and if they are indeed accurate, why is it so. My impression was that usually comparing the 8x and 10x of most models, if anything the 10x is usually a tad heavier. In this case, the eyecups are different, the ones of the 7x32 being bigger, maybe the entire eyepiece is larger, even the glass elements?
Assuming they use the same objective lens, you will need a longer focal length eyepiece to give you the lower magnification (something like 16mm vs 11mm if they are about f/3.5). This longer focal length needs a longer barrel to reach focus and that longer barrel makes the binoculars longer (as you can see they are about 1 cm longer). This extra length uses extra material which means extra weight. As for how others avoid this, I think it comes down to eyepiece design. Given the FOV on these they are likely an Erfle or something close to that so a longer focal length eyepiece will need to be longer. A lot of other binoculars use eyepieces with a negative field lens (smyth lens) to achieve wider fields of view with better edge correction but another effect of this is that you can change the focal length by changing the power of the smyth lens (or spacing) meaning the strict correlation of eyepiece focal length to barrel length breaks down.
 
Hello everyone,

I am looking into getting into birding and on the hunt for my first pair of binoculars.

Is this model suitable for a newbie? The reviews here on the forum seems to give the impression they are a good set, but I have nothing to compare to. Thanks in advance!
 
Hello everyone,

I am looking into getting into birding and on the hunt for my first pair of binoculars.

Is this model suitable for a newbie? The reviews here on the forum seems to give the impression they are a good set, but I have nothing to compare to. Thanks in advance!
I think they are, relatively low cost of entry for some very enjoyable views. The world is your oyster from there.
 
Is this model suitable for a newbie? The reviews here on the forum seems to give the impression they are a good set, but I have nothing to compare to.
Coming here for advice and help is a decent start, but something that will help both yourself and those interested in helping out is if you can check among your friends who have binoculars, try them out, and go to every sporting goods or optics store where you can try as many different binoculars as possible.
 
100% agreed!

Unfortunately, none of my friends have binoculars and the local stores either don’t have stock or are unwilling to open a set. It’s a strange market here.

Are Pentax binoculars known to be reliable? Where are they made? Thanks!
 
100% agreed!

Unfortunately, none of my friends have binoculars and the local stores either don’t have stock or are unwilling to open a set. It’s a strange market here.

Are Pentax binoculars known to be reliable? Where are they made? Thanks!
I can't say on reliability, but build quality is quite nice and in the US a 25 year warranty is provided.
 
Well, given the reviews of this thread, I went on a two hour drive to a Pentax dealer in London, ON (not the UK) and tried a variety of binoculars and decided to go with the Pentax. Thanks everyone! :)
Congrats on your new binoculars! I hope they serve you well for many years. I took the Pentax out on a bike ride yesterday. Ducks, green herons, two beavers, and one enormous snapping turtle were all crystal clear and brought to life through the 7x32. Its rugged enough for the trail in my experience.
 
So I've ordered the 7x32 Pentax (here in Europe the price is around 350 - 400 €, so 385 - 440 USD)... but 2024 seems to be a cursed year for me when it comes to purchasing binoculars. After a faulty Sky Rover 8x30 and a faulty APM 6.5x32, now I've bought a subpar Pentax 7x32 :(

The Pentax comes in a very slim box, quite surprising, as usually binocular boxes are more square, somehow trying to offer more protection, while this one looks like it could contain a Kindle or some sort of Tablet. Besides, Amazon sent it without any padding whatsoever, to my surprise. That's why when I first received the parcel I wasn't sure what it was. Not sure how good that could be for the binos...

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... but anyway. Right out of the box, the Pentax feel really nice and solid, reassuring. If I remember correctly, Pentax has been using the same design language for many years, and I admit I really like it, it somehow reminds me of Volvos of the 80s: chunky but nice. Everything seems well put together, the focus wheel turns softly and with no play whatsoever. It offers less resistance than my Opticron Traveller, but feels ever so slightly less smooth (the focus wheel on my Traveller is simply perfect to my taste), and given that it is quite a slow focus wheel (more than 2 turns), there is quite a lot of turning to do.

But let's get into the problem. As soon as I started adjusting the binoculars (IPD, dioptre correction, eyecups), I could see there was something odd. Hard as I tried I couldn't get the image to be displayed properly, let me explain. On one hand, I found it really hard to get a good, consistent and snappy focus, I kept going back and forth, back and forth. Every time I tried to focus on a new subject, again, back and forth until I got a reasonable focus. So I concentrated on the IPD. I tried to fine tune it several times (as a matter of fact, I've done this several times at different moments of the day), but to no avail. It is hard to explain, but I get several distinct (bad) feelings:
  • It feels like if the focus on one tube lagged behind the other, as if your dioptre setting was off and your eyes couldn't compensate. So I went back to the dioptre setting and started all over again... with no clear improvement.
  • Then there is something really odd that I've not experienced with other binoculars. Probably related to what I've explained above, I get the feeling that both tubes don't "merge" into one clear circle of image surrounded by black. It is like if I could see two circles fighting with each other. It is really tiring. However, it is not (apparently) that the binos are out of alignment, as I suspected at first. I don't feel the usual discomfort between your eyes when you get misaligned binoculars, where you get an instant pain between the eyes and you get slightly dizzy when just taking the binos out of your eyes while looking at the same distant point without them. It's something different. Besides, I've tried this easy and simple way to check alignment by focusing on a star and completely defocusing the dioptre setting, so you get a pinpoint star inside a circle of blurry light, and the star appeared right in the center, spot on. So it must be another thing.
  • And finally, probably related to the two previous points, I've discovered that the my unit suffers from something I've seen in cheaper binoculars, a ring of reflexion just outside the field stop. This is something I first saw on a 8x32 Vortex Diamondback HD (and then later discovered that many other users had also encountered this issue, here), and then I found it as well on my 8x42 SvBony sv202 8x42. In my Pentax is not that bad, but it's there, and it's really very annoying. In this image, I'm looking E-SE in the morning, so not facing the Sun or under any "difficult" light circumstance.

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So these are going back. I'm really curious about this binocular, so I'll probably be ordering another unit from another seller.
Other than that, I've liked what I've seen (well, sort of seen! :D).

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As expected, size-wise the Pentax sit somehow in between the very compact 8x32 Opticron Traveller and the quite tall 8x32 Swarovski EL. However, the Pentax feels solid and substantial, the barrels are noticeably thicker than the Opticron.

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And what really surprises are the really tall eyecups. On the subject of eyecups and eye position, not sure if it's due to the very tall eyecups, but I haven't found the eye comfort particularly good, despite being a 7x (with their slightly larger exit pupil), it feels a bit nervous, and it's not that difficult to get blackouts if you are not careful. Besides, the FOV feels a little more crammed than what 7,8º might indicate. Coming from the 8,3º 8x32 Traveller, the difference is huge. But then, comparing the Pentax to a classical 7x50 at 7,1º, somehow there seems to be very little difference in AFOV, if at all. Somehow the Pentax feels a little more claustrophobic than I expected. Not sure what this might be due to. One thing I've noticed is that when changing from 8x to the Pentax, I can see a noticeable difference in magnification, more than I seem to observe while using other 7x... so I wonder if this really are 7 or something more like 6,7 or 6,5x? That would also explained the perception of narrow AFOV. But I'm just speculating.

Well, the view itself is really nice. Very contrasty and sharp, surprisingly, it can keep up with the 7x50 Vixen Foresta Porro, which is a pretty sharp and contrasty binocular. The colour cast appears quite neutral, and it makes the view through the Traveller appear somehow yellowish/greenish in comparison, which is something I don't recall on normal use. The image displays a great depth of field, so viewing passerines on old almond trees with branches full of lichen is a pleasure, the branches and the birds seem to be cut out from the blurry background creating a impression that they "pop out" from the background, which makes for quite a wow factor.

As mentioned above, the focus wheel works flawlessly, no play, backlash or the like. However, although it turns very softly, with little effort, it is a slow wheel. As for the ergonomics, the wheel itself is quite large, substantially long, but I'm not sure I've found this (at least in this first contact) to be a great thing. Because the wheel is so long, I find myself not only using the index finger (what I usually do), but also my middle finger, which is way slower and more clumsy. This is probably one of the reasons the ergonomics of the Zeiss SFL 8x30 didn't convince me when I tried them, it felt awkward and not intuitive. At the end of the day, all my life when I want to pinch something, or when I want my best and finest level of delicate movement and control I use my index finger, not my middle finger. Yes, you could probably get used to it, the same way that if I got my index finger amputated I would learn how to use my middle finger as accurately... but luckily this hasn't happened. So, although it's a compact and solid little binocular that it's a pleasure to hold, the ergonomics are not the most brilliant part of the Pentax for me.

As for brightness, because they have a strong contrast (like the dark tones are very dark, the Opticron seems a little washed in comparison) the image doesn't impress with brightness (you would probably not think these are the brightest, but I think the perception of brightness has a lot to do with the way certain binoculars display colours and contrast). However, I reckon light transmission should be quite good, because at night, trying to make out the features of the garden with the very little light coming from the neighbour's house, the Pentax show a slight but clear advantage over the Opticron. It is easier to discern shapes among the shades and this is especially noticeable because of the fact that when the image is really very dark, it is nearly impossible to focus with the Opticron, while the great level of contrast and brighter image make it still possible to focus on an object with the Pentax. Anyway, you are not very likely to use this to observe things in a pitch black night.

So, as fist impressions go, these have many great things (contrast, depth of field, sharpness, pleasing image), but also some not so nice (FOV appeared smalled than expected, finicky eye position), although some of the latter could simply be due to the problems this unit in particular seems to have.
 
Thanks for sharing your impressions, that is a bummer as it sure seems something is off with them. I do not recall seeing the light ring, will look for it next time I use them.

This is probably my most used binocular, but I have to say when I first used it I also found the eyecups/IPD/positioning to be a bit finicky. Something about the eyecups/IPD took some getting used to, I chalked it up to the fact that the eyecups seem to be very large diameter without any taper, and thus do not fit my face structure the way many others do.

Positioning was more related to glare control, but also again to the large eyecups. Do you have any comments on glare control for your pair? I suspect that the edge of the exit pupil is the glare source, thus the relationship to IPD.

Thinking back, I almost returned them in the first 1-2 days. I decided to try them one last time and the views pulled me in, along with the confidence that I could warranty them later if needed. There is literally no other 7x on the market like them as an alternative. Fast forward and I am very glad I decided to stick with my pair as they are very enjoyable, rugged enough to come along for hikes and bikes. Mechanical quality and focuser really feel top notch. By now the eye positioning just goes right into place without thinking about it or the eyecups at all.

One last comment re: the diopter setting, it was a little challenging to set it just right in combination with the slow focus and large depth of field. Once it was dialed in it has stayed put, despite the lack of a locking mechanism. In fairness I felt the same way about the Leica 7x35 diopter but withe exception on in staying out, the Leica is all to easy to accidently tweak the low resistance diopter.

If you decide to try another pair I hope they work well for you. Good luck.
 
@greekgeek Yes, I think there is a lot to like about this Pentax, that's the reason I've ordered another unit, to see if I get luckier this time!
Even though I found the FOV surprisingly narrower than I anticipated (I'm used to 7x with 7,1 - 7,2º FOV and have no complains), I think the view was really enticing. I really envy that you can get these for 296 $ in the US, which is 270 €, while over here their around 100 $ more expensive!

Anyway, when I get my second unit I'll see if all the odd things (that I take as a "lemon") disappear. Thanks!
 
Positioning was more related to glare control, but also again to the large eyecups. Do you have any comments on glare control for your pair? I suspect that the edge of the exit pupil is the glare source, thus the relationship to IPD.
I forgot to answer. Comparing the Pentax to my Traveller 8x32 I can report that looking west into the setting Sun the Traveller required careful eye positioning to avoid veil, and managed quite well... but meanwhile the Pentax preserved a much increased level of contrast, really impressive, as if it was an 8x42, so to speak. On the other hand, the Pentax can suffer from sudden burst of bright light, probably glare, like a flash across the view. Nothing too serious.

However, upon inspection, I've discovered another QC issue with the Pentax. I was looking through the objective side and have discovered there is a hair inside de optical path, it looks to be attached to a prism. I'm nearly sure this doesn't affect the view, but it's worth noticing (the picture is quite crappy, but it's rather difficult to capture this sort of thing with a smartphone, as you've probably experienced if you've ever tried it).

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I have also discovered that there seems to be a bare metal area on the lower side of both tubes, I've highlighted it. I don't know if this is supposed to be like that, maybe you can check yours @greekgeek or if it could have anything to do with the annoying ring of reflection I mentioned earlier.

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For reference, my unit serial number is 1122.

(I'me never actually sure if it's a good idea to look inside binoculars :ROFLMAO: As a matter of fact, I don't think I ever do it if the binoculars in question keep me happy.)
 
I forgot to answer. Comparing the Pentax to my Traveller 8x32 I can report that looking west into the setting Sun the Traveller required careful eye positioning to avoid veil, and managed quite well... but meanwhile the Pentax preserved a much increased level of contrast, really impressive, as if it was an 8x42, so to speak. On the other hand, the Pentax can suffer from sudden burst of bright light, probably glare, like a flash across the view. Nothing too serious.

However, upon inspection, I've discovered another QC issue with the Pentax. I was looking through the objective side and have discovered there is a hair inside de optical path, it looks to be attached to a prism. I'm nearly sure this doesn't affect the view, but it's worth noticing (the picture is quite crappy, but it's rather difficult to capture this sort of thing with a smartphone, as you've probably experienced if you've ever tried it).

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I have also discovered that there seems to be a bare metal area on the lower side of both tubes, I've highlighted it. I don't know if this is supposed to be like that, maybe you can check yours @greekgeek or if it could have anything to do with the annoying ring of reflection I mentioned earlier.

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For reference, my unit serial number is 1122.

(I'me never actually sure if it's a good idea to look inside binoculars :ROFLMAO: As a matter of fact, I don't think I ever do it if the binoculars in question keep me happy.)
I took a quick look indoors but couldn't tell anything. I'll check outside tomorrow to see what's lurking in there!
 
1000028213.jpg1000028212.jpg1000028211.jpglooks similar to me! Angle dependent though to reveal itself. That entire side seems less than non reflective though, fwiw.

Try not to look too closely at the innards lol.
 
@greekgeek Thanks for taking your time and posting this. It really looks like it's a common trait of the model (not the hair, I hope!). I've ordered another unit and while I was at it, I've also ordered a 7x42 (in for a penny, in for a pound!!), so I'll be comparing both 7x models to see which one I like better. The 7x32 really impresses with contrast and depth of field, so I can only assume the 7x42 must offer an even more impressive experience. I found a nice deal, so it could be the icing on the cake. I'll keep you posted. Thanks again.
 
@greekgeek Thanks for taking your time and posting this. It really looks like it's a common trait of the model (not the hair, I hope!). I've ordered another unit and while I was at it, I've also ordered a 7x42 (in for a penny, in for a pound!!), so I'll be comparing both 7x models to see which one I like better. The 7x32 really impresses with contrast and depth of field, so I can only assume the 7x42 must offer an even more impressive experience. I found a nice deal, so it could be the icing on the cake. I'll keep you posted. Thanks again.
No problem, they looked pretty clean inside to me. I only took a short glance or two through them at the time and reinforced that IPD/eye placement are indeed crucial for a glare free viewing. By moving the binoculars around I could induce the light right at the edge stops you had mentioned, however I never noticed them before during regular use.

I'll be very interested to hear your report on the 7x42 version! I bet the image quality will be just as good or better even than the 32. I can imagine the eye placement should be less critical with the larger exit pupils too. Easier to stay away from the edges.

Originally I had went for the 32 for compactness and portability, and am happy with the tradeoffs of eye position ergonomics. I have taken it places I would not have taken a 42. That said I have since tried some 7x42 in other brands and might be interested to give the Pentax a try too, they run about $350 or so in the States.

Looking forward to your experience report.
 
Sad to report that I've seen no improvemnt with my second unit (s/n 1126, probably made the same day as my first one).
In fact, I would say this second unit was actually a little worse. The issues with the first unit were all there: very finicky eye position (surprisingly for a 7x32), the ring of reflection, the difficulty of getting a snap focus (I've discovered that I'm not the only one finding focusing in this model not to be stellar)... but then the focus wheel on this one wasn't perfect. Every now and then at the beginning of the focus action there was a little resistance, almost as if the focus wheel tried to stick for a little in the original position.

Really sad, as I really tried to like the model (I love it on specs). Furthermore, I've seen some CA that I don't recall on my first unit. A real shame.
I guess the problem with usability has a lot to do with my facial features (since no one seems to have pointed this out), I find it's not an "easy binocular" (mind you, 8x32 is my most used format, I'm really used to it and like it a lot, so a 7x32 should theoretically be even sweeter), I find the eye positioning critical, and the entire process of using it is not a pleasant movement that you do without even thinking about it, the same way it happens with other 8x32 or even 8x30 (the Nikon EII). My point to view is that this comes to show once again that binoculars (for me) are less about specs and more about fit, a bit like a shoe or a bicycle.

I'll wait for the 7x42 to arrive to see how they behave, but it was really a compact and reliable 7x32 what I've been after for a really long time.
 
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Sad to report that I've seen no improvemnt with my second unit (s/n 1126, probably made the same day as my first one).
In fact, I would say this second unit was actually a little worse. The issues with the first unit were all there: very finicky eye position (surprisingly for a 7x32), the ring of reflection, the difficulty of getting a snap focus (I've discovered that I'm not the only one finding focusing in this model not to be stellar)... but then the focus wheel on this one wasn't perfect. Every now and then at the beginning of the focus action there was a little resistance, almost as if the focus wheel tried to stick for a little in the original position.

Really sad, as I really tried to like the model (I love it on specs). Furthermore, I've seen some CA that I don't recall on my first unit. A real shame.
I guess the problem with usability has a lot to do with my facial features (since no one seems to have pointed this out), I find it's not an "easy binocular" (mind you, 8x32 is my most used format, I'm really used to it and like it a lot, so a 7x32 should theoretically be even sweeter), I find the eye positioning critical, and the entire process of using it is not a pleasant movement that you do without even thinking about it, the same way it happens with other 8x32 or even 8x30 (the Nikon EII). My point to view is that this comes to show once again that binoculars (for me) are less about specs and more about fit, a bit like a shoe or a bicycle.

I'll wait for the 7x42 to arrive to see how they behave, but it was really a compact and reliable 7x32 what I've been after for a really long time.
Dang! Yeah, that is a bummer about the 7x32 not working out. I was wondering if the second pair would be improved or its simply the nature of the design. Relating your experience to mine, they are not too far off, and at EU prices I do not blame you one bit for sending them back. I decided to spend additional time with my pair (almost returned them, had them boxed up...) and they grew on me to where the eye placement is still not ideal but at least I adapted and no longer find it bothersome. Easy or similar eye placement to other binos, it is not. But the views are so good and the build so robust that I feel the value/price ratio is strong, at least in the US. Also, there is literally no alternative for a brand new 7x32, so that factored in too.

Well, I do hope the 7x42's are better and have some more easy eye placement! Please check back in.
 

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