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Older Habicht 8x56 versus newer SLC (3 Viewers)

tpcollins

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I understand the exit pupil for the older 8x56 Habicht would be the same as the new SLC 8x56 but as far as low light capabilities, would the older porro prisms see more detail than the newer roof prism model? I've always wanted pair of those old nostalgic binocs. Thanks.
 
I understand the exit pupil for the older 8x56 Habicht would be the same as the new SLC 8x56 but as far as low light capabilities, would the older porro prisms see more detail than the newer roof prism model? I've always wanted pair of those old nostalgic binocs. Thanks.

TP:

Are you talking about the Swaro. 8x56 SL?

Jerry
 
Jerry I think you are right, he is talking about the SL series. My older catalog doesn't show any traditional 8x56 porros, just the SL series. I would go with the SLC series myself. The one SL I tried I was not impressed with. The SL series were 7x42, 7x50, 10x40, 10x50 and 8x56 SL.
Regards,Steve
 
Jerry I think you are right, he is talking about the SL series. My older catalog doesn't show any traditional 8x56 porros, just the SL series. I would go with the SLC series myself. The one SL I tried I was not impressed with. The SL series were 7x42, 7x50, 10x40, 10x50 and 8x56 SL.
Regards,Steve

Steve, you are right, Habicht, seems to be commonly used when referring to Swarovski optics.
Model # is what is important here, SL,SLC. EL. etc. and that is what the poster should make clear.

Thanks,
Jerry
 
I believe the SL is what I'm referring to. I've often heard that porro prism are just a bit brighter and was wondering if it could compete with the new coatings on the SLC roof prisms? Thanks.
 
I was fascinated enough by the cool looking SL series binoculars to buy almost all of them in the late 80's, including the 8x56.

The series had a number of quirks. Focus was very slow and awkward and only the 8x56 had roll-down eyecups for eyeglass wearers. The 8x56 also had a very narrow 5.8 degree FOV and the close focus was something like 25-30'. The 10x50 is the only one I wish I still owned. It was a very nice binocular for astronomy.

The photo shows the innards of the 7x50. The 7x42 and 8x56 used an identical design. Optically, it's as simple as a binocular can be; a cemented doublet objective, cemented Porro prism cluster (usually air spaced) and a 3 element Kellner eyepiece, altogether only 8 glass to air surfaces. If you want the highest light transmission this is the way to do it. The same simplicity can be achieved with a cemented AK roof prism. The Zeiss Dialyt 8x56 comes close, but the prisms are air spaced, so it has 10 surfaces. The Swarotop coating of the time claimed 99.8% transmission per surface, but the transmission curve was skewed toward yellow. Peak transmission in the yellow is not so good for low light where the eye is most sensitive to blue/green.

In the old days the term "HABICHT" was applied to everything that Swarovski Optik made: binoculars, spotting scopes, rifle scopes, etc. The old fashioned Porros that we now call Habichts were then called the "Traditional Series" in the US to separate them from the futuristic looking Habicht SL series. The Habicht SLC were originally two small 30mm models and were given the "C" suffix to mean SLCompact, as all the other SL's were 40mm or larger. The SLC designation has remained, somewhat inappropriately given its original meaning, even for large aperture models. I notice that by 2000 the Swarovski catalogue had dropped the HABICHT designation for everything except the "traditional" Porros, rifle scopes and oddly, pocket binoculars.
 

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I'd be interested to know if the very simple porro SL's could take on the much more complex SLC's. I am often surprised at how good relatively simple designs can be.

The OP was asking this but never got an answer really.
 
"The old fashioned Porros that we now call Habichts were then called the "Traditional Series" in the US to separate them from the futuristic looking Habicht SL series. The Habicht SLC were originally two small 30mm models and were given the "C" suffix to mean SLCompact, as all the other SL's were 40mm or larger. The SLC designation has remained, somewhat inappropriately given its original meaning, even for large aperture models."

Henry is right on the money here! Not that he isn't any other time.:) I bought the 7x30 SL compact model and this is a non phase coated roof prism model. As far as the OP question, that would take someone with both of these binoculars to test, so is a hard ? to answer. I would be leaning towards the 8x56 Roof myself, esp. after seeing the difference between some older older small 8's and my Swaro 8x30 SLC neu and the perceived brightness in the new 8. I never tried testing in low light using charts etc.

As you can see in my attachment the original price for the SL 8x56 was $624.34 so I was considering it at the time.


http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=137797&d=1209830736
 
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I'd be interested to know if the very simple porro SL's could take on the much more complex SLC's. I am often surprised at how good relatively simple designs can be.

The OP was asking this but never got an answer really.

James,

The optical limitations of the SL's were mostly in the old fashioned eyepiece designs and the coatings. Kellner eyepieces are limited to narrow apparent fields and are too simple to have really good off axis corrections. The 10x50 and 10x40 SL's used 5 and 6 element Erfles which have wider fields than Kellners, but not much better corrections. All of them were sharp in the field center, just like all good binoculars. The SL coatings had what we would now consider to be a strong yellow bias.

The current Habicht 7x42 and 10x40 Porros should be quite similar to their SL counterparts. The optics are essentially identical except that the Habichts' prisms are air spaced instead of cemented and Swarovski coatings are much more color neutral now.

Henry
 
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