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County Rarity Descriptions

A full list of those species that the Norfolk Records Committee require a description for, can be found at http://norfolkbirds.weebly.com/

You can also download the correct form at http://norfolkbirds.weebly.com/submitting-records.html on which to submit these records, which then should be sent to [email protected]

This is the correct and best way to get your record assessed by the committee, if accepted these records will then appear in the relevant Norfolk Bird and Mammal Report.

All other Norfolk bird records, should now also be submitted to [email protected], preferably on an excel spreadsheet.
 
BirdTrack

Understandably, the change of instruction from the Norfolk Bird Report Council (not to be confused with the Norfolk Records Committee who assess descriptions of local rarities) since earlier this year has caused confusion. It is unhelpful to speculate about the thinking behind the change; if you want to ask for more information or make your own feelings known, please contact Andy Stoddart directly.

For all queries relating specifically to BirdTrack, please contact the BirdTrack team at BTO via email birdtrack[at]bto.org or telephone 01842 750050 (9am–5pm, Mon–Fri). That's effectively me at the moment, though we have a Support Officer starting very soon.

If you choose to discuss the specific workings of BirdTrack with other individuals, please note that a person's level of birding experience in Norfolk or beyond gives no indication of their knowledge of BirdTrack's existing and planned functionality. Again, my advice is to contact the BirdTrack team.

I’ve given brief responses to the questions/points raised by ‘crapbirder’ and Carol Baldock below, to save them having to repeat these via email. However, to keep things manageable at this end, I will be unable to answer any further detailed questions on BirdTrack in a Norfolk context via this forum.

All the best and good birding,
Nick Moran
BirdTrack Organiser
BTO, Thetford

To my knowledge, at least one other county bird recorder has complained in the past that BirdTrack had no mechanism in place which would allow unwanted records to be filtered by county recorders. My understanding was at the time, the matter would be addressed and it would be helpful if the BirdTrack organisation were to clarify the current status of a filtering process.

Filters are available to County Recorders via the ‘Explore Club Records’ tool (akin to the ‘Explore My Records’ tool that individual observers can use on their own records). Due to the myriad of different 'cuts' of the data that different County Recorders/Database Managers want, an alternative approach that many use is to export all records for a given year and do the filtering in Excel.

We are continuing to develop better tools for people to interact with the data; I am happy to outline these via email if asked.

One other thing to note on this point: we don’t recognise the concept of ‘unwanted records’ [insert appropriate smiley!]. As far as BirdTrack is concerned, all bird (and dragonfly and mammal!) records have value to conservation and science. To reduce bias, the system does not place particular emphasis on gathering records of certain species (though we sometimes use individual species to flag up the value of certain sorts of data, such as the recent use of Cetti's Warbler to highlight the importance of gathering breeding evidence http://www.bto.org/volunteer-surveys/birdtrack/news-archive/2015-05/cettis-warbler ).

Many of you will have already seen this local example of the (sometimes unforeseen) value of recording everything, instead of being selective.

I have had a discussion with a very experienced Norfolk birder , in recent times, who was very surprised that Bird Track generates an auto form for notifiable Norfolk species for every person that sees the bird , not just the original finder. Where a bird stays for a period of time , does this mean that all of these sightings of say one bird that stays in one place for a period of time and is seen by lots of observers are all sent on to the County Recorder?

County Recorders can set thresholds for local rarity, high counts, and early and late dates for migrants. These in turn flag up to observers when they submit records through BirdTrack. The local rarity setting also generates an online form (modelled closely on the local rarity forms that are provided locally across Britain). If a local rarity has already recently been recorded at a location, the BirdTrack form will not be presented. Despite this, an observer can still sometimes be presented with the form for a ‘twitched/known’ rarity (for reasons I won't bore you with here). In this case, we ask observers to simply circumvent the form by clicking the ‘BirdTrack Home’ button underneath it (as Chris Allen mentions).

I hold no brief for either BirdTrack or the Norfolk Bird Report but it was not particularly helpful on opening the link Chris Allen kindly provided, to find the first line read "if you record a species that is rarely encountered within a bird recording area" and then details of how to proceed from thereon. This procedure makes the assumption that the person submitting the record has sufficient local knowledge and experience to make the correct decision.

I used the phrase “bird recording area” simply because not all local recording areas are counties; they may be ‘nested’ areas within counties, like the recording area of the Nar Valley Ornithological Society within Norfolk, or cover more than one county, e.g. Leicestershire and Rutland. Sorry if I caused undue confusion here but I did not want to use ‘county’ when that term has a specific meaning that is not always applicable in this case.

As explained above, the procedure does not make any assumptions about the observer's local knowledge and experience; it applies the same thresholds, as set/updated by the local recorders, to all records and alerts the observer accordingly.

The BirdTrack registration process requires no proof of either knowledge or experience but appears to concentrate on personal information useful for marketing purposes.

BirdTrack asks for personal information so that bird records are always associated with recognisably-named, contactable observers. Allowing records to be entered against just a pseudonym or email address (which can change or become obsolete) would undermine the value of the data as part of the biological record. Users are also asked (and encouraged to give) their permission for their records and contact details to be shared with local recorders, for the same reason.

The thresholds I mentioned previously flag up unusual sightings to inexperienced observers (and careless typists, which can certainly apply to me!) at the point of record entry. Additionally, validation tool allows local recorders to follow up individual records with (contactable, named) observers.
 
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My thanks to Nick Moran for taking the time to clarify some of the confusion caused by recent statements on this forum regarding the 'correct' submission procedure for Norfolk bird records.

While many questions remain unanswered as to how and why a 'parting of the ways' has taken place, my earnest wish is that the county record archive, if such a thing exists, is not the loser.
 
If you wish to preserve the County record archive (if it exists) which surely it must. Then the best way to do that is to send your records to the County Recorders.
 
Titchwell June 11th

Today's highlights

Spoonbill - adult east this morning
Bittern - male still booming
Red crested pochard - 11 on Patsy's reedbed
Little ringed plover - 1 on fresh marsh
Spotted flycatcher - 1 in picnic area

Paul
 
Thanks for such a detailed response Nick and for further outlining the benefits of BirdTrack.

Paddyfield Warbler on Blakeney Point, good luck to those who go!

Cheers,
Jim.
 
If you wish to preserve the County record archive (if it exists) which surely it must. Then the best way to do that is to send your records to the County Recorders.

For those interested the county archive does exist, and is maintained, and contains a wealth of irreplaceable material. It has been maintained by previous County Recorders and Norfolk Bird & Mammal Report Editors. I believe it to currently be in the care of Moss Taylor and it can be used as a tool for those wishing to research past bird records and issues of interest.
 
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County archive.

For those interested the county archive does exist, and is maintained, and contains a wealth of irreplaceable material. It has been maintained by previous County Recorders and Norfolk Bird & Mammal Report Editors. I believe it to currently be in the care of Moss Taylor and it can be used as a tool for those wishing to research past bird records and issues of interest.

I guess it all depends on how one defines a county archive, the present system does indeed contain irreplaceable material and it would be reassuring to know that arrangements are in place to secure its survival long term.
 
I guess it all depends on how one defines a county archive, the present system does indeed contain irreplaceable material and it would be reassuring to know that arrangements are in place to secure its survival long term.

Indeed it would. I suspect that the best place for this data would be the Norfolk Biological Records Centre at Gressenhall Museum, where it may be possible to house the vast quantity of paperwork and systematically input the material into the records database
 
Hi Carol,

Where you are recording a previously reported/recorded county or national rarity please note the following BTO-generated comment which hopefully answers your general query:

"Many thanks for using BirdTrack and for putting in some of your historical records. When adding old records, there is no need to complete any local rarity forms that are presented, unless the bird was not submitted at the time / does not appear in the relevant local bird report. Please see the following link for further information: http://www.bto.org/volunteer-surveys/birdtrack/bird-recording/rare-scarce-birds

For the xxxxxxxx and other 'known' local rarities, please just circumvent the form by pressing the 'BirdTrack Home' button underneath it. This will prevent an email being generated to BirdTrack and the local bird recorders."

I hope that make sense. If you follow the imbedded link it explains how potential duplicates are dealt with. Apart from that I wouldn't worry about it in any case as it is surely better to submit a duplicate record (that can be simple ignored/deleted by the recorder in a matter of seconds) than to think your record hasn't been made available at all.

Hope that helps.

Chris A.
Hi Chris, That does clarify things, thank you. My concern was that Recorders could be inundated with records of the same bird and also that people might be completing the forms unnecessarily ( and they can be time consuming to complete) .. Best wishes, Carol
 
Titchwell May 12th

Today's highlights

Bittern - 2, probably males, in the reedbed today
Med gull - 2 adults west this morning
Red crested pochard - 7 on Patsy's reedbed
Spotted redshank - 1 on fresh marsh

Paul
 
Paddyfield Warbler

I made the trip to Blakeney Point today for the Paddyfield Warbler. Generally this involved a couple of hours watching a patch of sueda with occasional appearances from Dunnock, Meadow Pipits, Linnets and Reed Buntings.

Just before the organised flush at 2:00pm a pale warbler flew a short distance and then buried itself out of sight. The wardens arrived at the appointed time and walked up to the area where the bird had disappeared. The bird flew to the far side of the roped off area. I pre-focused on the spot where the bird had landed and waited.

The image shows the sort of view that was on offer as Ajay Tegala moved in on the bird.

Thanks to the finder, James MacCallum, and the staff from the point.
 

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Good to meet you yesterday Nick at Cley, for the official ceremony of the education centre and new land. Thank you, as others have also, for explaining some of the workings of this facility.

Regards, Pat
 
The early bird catches the worm, for once, cracking walk up blakeney point this morning, only saw 4 birds, 2 chiffchaffs, almost certainly what was a Marsh Warbler at half way house and then relocated the Paddyfield Warbler just by the hood. Had one good close view of it out in the open on the shingle at the base of the sueda, also very distinctive in flight with short wings and longer looking tail, almost reminiscent of bearded tit in flight! Excellent. Thanks to James & Kevin for finding it.
 
Hi Belton15
Welcome to BF.
Your mystery songster sounds like a Song Thrush Turdus philomelos, a fairly common - now sadly declining - garden bird.
Best regards, Rob
 
The early bird catches the worm, for once, cracking walk up blakeney point this morning, only saw 4 birds, 2 chiffchaffs, almost certainly what was a Marsh Warbler at half way house and then relocated the Paddyfield Warbler just by the hood. Had one good close view of it out in the open on the shingle at the base of the sueda, also very distinctive in flight with short wings and longer looking tail, almost reminiscent of bearded tit in flight! Excellent. Thanks to James & Kevin for finding it.

Was the marsh reid'd as a blyth's reed? or is the latter different, and thus the third cracking acro on the point today?
 
Was the marsh reid'd as a blyth's reed? or is the latter different, and thus the third cracking acro on the point today?

The Halfway House accro was identified as a Blythe's Reed by an extremely reliable Blakeney Point regular after getting very good views late morning / early afternoon. So only the two I'm afraid.
 

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