more ID form Jeddah (3 Viewers)

[ammadoux]

Hello all

got these three, thanks in advance.

 

[tconzemi]

Harrier is 2nd cy femalle Pallid

 

[kuzeycem]

The others are Eastern Black-eared Wheatear and Eastern Olivaceous Warbler

 

[kuzeycem]

Harrier is 2nd cy femalle Pallid

It seems to me like the post-juv moult on this bird was quite extensive, and the adult-type axillaries seem boldly patterned. Head pattern also looks more like Montagu's to me. But the primary pattern is better for Pallid so you're probably right

 

[ammadoux]

Harrier is 2nd cy femalle Pallid

thanks so much, and this is based on the number of fingers right? as this was my guess also.

 

[ammadoux]

The others are Eastern Black-eared Wheatear and Eastern Olivaceous Warbler

thanks that was my guess regarding the wheatear, but someone suggested its a Northern which confused me.

the calls ot the warbler was 100% EOW to me but i thought the primary covert was lager.

thanks again.

 

[tconzemi]

Harrier is 2nd cy femalle Pallid

thanks so much, and this is based on the number of fingers right? as this was my guess also.

Number of fingers contra Hen Harrier
Heavy and broad-winged, no subterminal bar on innee primaries for female Pallid

 

[ammadoux]

Number of fingers contra Hen Harrier
Heavy and broad-winged, no subterminal bar on innee primaries for female Pallid

thanks so much.

 

[smiths]

As for the harrier:

• head pattern in favour of Montagu's
• widely spaced barring on axillaries pro Montagu's
• long outermost primary, as long as P6 = pro Montagu's
• largely dark 'fingers', lacking any transverse barring: more like Montagu's
• rather fine barring across the primaries: better for Montagu's
• bold flank streaking: more usual in Montagu's
• very dark secondaries: more often seen in juv/2cy Montagu's

Are you sure that this is a Pallid?