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Lynx-BirdLife Taxonomic Checklist (1 Viewer)
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Still quite a few things still to sort out though, eg the search function
lewis20126
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Catharus Thrushes
Russet-backed Thrush (ustulatus) is split from Swainson's Thrush using the Tobias et al. criteria.
Bicknell's Thrush is retained as a species, from Grey-cheeked Thrush but there is no application of the same criteria to these two very similar 'species' to determine whether they are similarly valid. Indeed the comment under minimus in respect of bicknelli makes you wonder whether the authors believe it is a good split. So why not apply the criteria?
I'm baffled. Can someone explain the different approach to birds in the same genus?
cheers, alan
Russet-backed Thrush (ustulatus) is split from Swainson's Thrush using the Tobias et al. criteria.
Bicknell's Thrush is retained as a species, from Grey-cheeked Thrush but there is no application of the same criteria to these two very similar 'species' to determine whether they are similarly valid. Indeed the comment under minimus in respect of bicknelli makes you wonder whether the authors believe it is a good split. So why not apply the criteria?
I'm baffled. Can someone explain the different approach to birds in the same genus?
cheers, alan
McMadd
You should see the other bloke...
Also some issues with splits where the species account doesn't have the check tick applied. Attached for Audubon's Warbler: I've seen it but I need to edit and save the sighting to get the tick to appear. Second species I've found in casual "over breakfast" look after updating all my sighting last night (Rennell Gerygone being the other)
First world problem I know but they do read this thread (if only when Guy prompts them..?)
Cheers, McM
First world problem I know but they do read this thread (if only when Guy prompts them..?)
Cheers, McM
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Snapdragyn
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Currently the 'splits' pages are not showing the passerine splits, after having them up yesterday. 
Additional species I noted yesterday which were not split (these are all off the top of my head), although there have been varying degrees of evidence that a split might be... warranted? (perhaps a strong word for some of these). In none of the current entries for these species are Tobias scoring criteria mentioned.
Marsh Wren
Warbling Vireo
Red Crossbill (huge can of worms there!)
Curve-billed Thrasher
Bell's Vireo (even as the AOS is considering it)
Brown Creeper "
Nashville Warbler "
White-breasted Nuthatch
Pine Grosbeak
Evening Grosbeak
Hutton's Vireo
Hermit Thrush
Did they wish to avoid stirring the hornets' nest too much in North America, I wonder?
Additional species I noted yesterday which were not split (these are all off the top of my head), although there have been varying degrees of evidence that a split might be... warranted? (perhaps a strong word for some of these). In none of the current entries for these species are Tobias scoring criteria mentioned.
Marsh Wren
Warbling Vireo
Red Crossbill (huge can of worms there!)
Curve-billed Thrasher
Bell's Vireo (even as the AOS is considering it)
Brown Creeper "
Nashville Warbler "
White-breasted Nuthatch
Pine Grosbeak
Evening Grosbeak
Hutton's Vireo
Hermit Thrush
Did they wish to avoid stirring the hornets' nest too much in North America, I wonder?
lewis20126
Well-known member
Mysticete
Well-known member
Currently the 'splits' pages are not showing the passerine splits, after having them up yesterday.
Additional species I noted yesterday which were not split (these are all off the top of my head), although there have been varying degrees of evidence that a split might be... warranted? (perhaps a strong word for some of these). In none of the current entries for these species are Tobias scoring criteria mentioned.
Marsh Wren
Warbling Vireo
Red Crossbill (huge can of worms there!)
Curve-billed Thrasher
Bell's Vireo (even as the AOS is considering it)
Brown Creeper "
Nashville Warbler "
White-breasted Nuthatch
Pine Grosbeak
Evening Grosbeak
Hutton's Vireo
Hermit Thrush
Did they wish to avoid stirring the hornets' nest too much in North America, I wonder?
I think it's more that they didn't exactly revisit each species and subspecies from scratch using the Tobias method. I think they picked a combination of taxa that are likely of conservation concern, are recognized elsewhere, and perhaps some "pet taxa" that the authors were specifically interested.
If you were to truly thoroughly apply the Tobias criteria to EVERY Passerine bird, there is no way in hell this would have been published this decade, not to mention year
JustinJansen
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The best work on Bartels - but in Dutch - it the thesis from Frank Rozendaal on the Bartels Family from April 1981. It shows a Green Peafowl on the coffin of Max Bartel Sr in April 1936. He died at 7 April 1936. His son Max Jr. travelled at 18 March 1932 to Bern from the Netherlands and sailed first to Colombo (Sri Lanka) he left at the latter by 2 July 1932 and arrived possibly a few weeks later in Java.
Nutcracker
Stop Brexit!
Currently the 'splits' pages are not showing the passerine splits, after having them up yesterday.
Additional species I noted yesterday which were not split (these are all off the top of my head), although there have been varying degrees of evidence that a split might be... warranted? (perhaps a strong word for some of these). In none of the current entries for these species are Tobias scoring criteria mentioned.
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Did they wish to avoid stirring the hornets' nest too much in North America, I wonder?
And (as mentioned earlier) the even more striking Stonechat example (failure to split European & Siberian from African) - so it can't just be avoiding N American questions. That none of these is threatened I'd think is a much more valid reason for their not looking at it.
thyoloalethe
Well-known member
If you go to the Species tab and then select "My list of checked species" you will get a list of splits you can tick off.
Choose "Manage my checks of Passerines" and you'll be taken to the page to do this.
Cheers
Liam
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McMadd
You should see the other bloke...
Yep. Done that but still found these issues
Maffong
Well-known member
I got about 20-25 new species from the splits, but the "Manage my checks" option seems to have a few problems. Eventhough I'm done with reviewing my species I'm still being shown Sri Lanka Swallow and Northern Grey Shrike to be checked, and eventhough I've never seen them and would like to remove them I can't as the option is missing.
Also while checking my splits several species appeared twice, e.g. African Blue Tit and Great Grey Shrike.
And wasn't there an option last time (when the non-passerines were updated) to show all the new splits (instead of just your own?). Will that be implemented soon?
Also while checking my splits several species appeared twice, e.g. African Blue Tit and Great Grey Shrike.
And wasn't there an option last time (when the non-passerines were updated) to show all the new splits (instead of just your own?). Will that be implemented soon?
Arnau Bonan
New member
Hello
I’m Arnau Bonan and I work at Lynx Edicions.
Answering your question, here you can find all the new split species from the Illustrated Checklist - Passerines
http://www.hbw.com/species/illustrated-checklist-2
You can filter by “Updated species”, and so you will know the new species already updated.
We hope we have answered your doubts.
Arnau
I’m Arnau Bonan and I work at Lynx Edicions.
Answering your question, here you can find all the new split species from the Illustrated Checklist - Passerines
http://www.hbw.com/species/illustrated-checklist-2
You can filter by “Updated species”, and so you will know the new species already updated.
We hope we have answered your doubts.
Arnau
McMadd
You should see the other bloke...
@Arnau
1. I need to see list of Order, Family, Genus seen...plus same targets...is this in development?
2. How often is the taxonomy going to be updated? IOC does it quarterly and I like that very much...how 'bout you?
3. I want to be able to switch Heard Only (HO) to count/do not count depending on the list/trip - is that possible? For e.g., I will count Thrush Nightingale as HO for my Finnish year list but not for my World Life list where it must have been seen...
Good to know what you think
cheers
Mark
1. I need to see list of Order, Family, Genus seen...plus same targets...is this in development?
2. How often is the taxonomy going to be updated? IOC does it quarterly and I like that very much...how 'bout you?
3. I want to be able to switch Heard Only (HO) to count/do not count depending on the list/trip - is that possible? For e.g., I will count Thrush Nightingale as HO for my Finnish year list but not for my World Life list where it must have been seen...
Good to know what you think
cheers
Mark
Arnau Bonan
New member
Hello Mark
Right now we are not working on a list of Order, Family and Genera seen.
We have not decided yet how often the HBW Alive taxonomy will be updated, but not quarterly. But we are working on the latest taxonomy changes.
And about your third question, in My Birding Preferences of My Birding Manual (http://www.hbw.com/tutorial/my-birding-preferences) we explain how to change the counting or not of the “Heard only” species in the Worldlist and other lists. The preferences chosen apply to all your lists. So the only option is to change your preferences when you want to find out your Finnish year list or your Word Life list. The changes can take up to 30 minutes to be applied, keep that in mind as you may not see the changes automatically once you change your preferences.
I hope this helps.
Best wishes.
Arnau
Right now we are not working on a list of Order, Family and Genera seen.
We have not decided yet how often the HBW Alive taxonomy will be updated, but not quarterly. But we are working on the latest taxonomy changes.
And about your third question, in My Birding Preferences of My Birding Manual (http://www.hbw.com/tutorial/my-birding-preferences) we explain how to change the counting or not of the “Heard only” species in the Worldlist and other lists. The preferences chosen apply to all your lists. So the only option is to change your preferences when you want to find out your Finnish year list or your Word Life list. The changes can take up to 30 minutes to be applied, keep that in mind as you may not see the changes automatically once you change your preferences.
I hope this helps.
Best wishes.
Arnau
McMadd
You should see the other bloke...
Hi Arnau
I, at least, am wishing for the calculation of Order/Family/Genus seen: dear old excel can manage it for me and I'm sure a database can too...is there development list on a whiteboard somewhere?
It would be good that any decision on frequency of updates is publicised when made. I do hope it isn't once a year/decade/lifetime...or can it be rolling given you have a full time editorial team? Just publish what's changed since last update or something? The IOC quick response appeals to me at least.
For the list preferences, yes, I have set Heard Only = Do not count but what I was hoping for was that within, say, a trip (i keep my Finnish year lists under "Finland YYYY" UK under "UK YYYY" for example I could set that to Heard only = Do Count whilst maintaining my world stats as do not count...sounds like another for the development list
Cheers again, Mark
Arnau Bonan
New member
Dear Mark
Sorry for the delay answering you.
Soon it will be available the new page where calculation of Order/Family/Genus will be shown. Also, some more taxonomic features like the Scientific classification box...
About your second question, I can’t tell you right now. We are working on that.
And about the “hear only” question, right now what you propose it is not in the list of pending tasks we have. So the easiest would be to edit your HBW Alive profile, and change the “Don’t count "Heard only" species in my Worldlist and other lists”, so you can calculate both ways by choosing a different option.
We hope that you will like the new feature that counts the Order/Family/Genus seen.
Best wishes,
Arnau Bonan
Sorry for the delay answering you.
Soon it will be available the new page where calculation of Order/Family/Genus will be shown. Also, some more taxonomic features like the Scientific classification box...
About your second question, I can’t tell you right now. We are working on that.
And about the “hear only” question, right now what you propose it is not in the list of pending tasks we have. So the easiest would be to edit your HBW Alive profile, and change the “Don’t count "Heard only" species in my Worldlist and other lists”, so you can calculate both ways by choosing a different option.
We hope that you will like the new feature that counts the Order/Family/Genus seen.
Best wishes,
Arnau Bonan
Peter Kovalik
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Priority
The scientific name of Northern Fantail should be Rhipidura setosa
HBW Alive:
Subspecies and Distribution
R. i. vidua Salvadori & Turati, 1874 – Kofiau, in West Papuan Is.
R. i. gularis S. Müller, 1843 – Gebe I, West Papuan Is (except Kofiau), New Guinea, including islands in Geelvink Bay (except Biak; apparently absent from Numfor), Manam I, Goodenough I and Fergusson I, and islands in Torres Strait.
R. i. nigromentalis E. J. O. Hartert, 1898 – Louisiade Archipelago (Misima, Tagula), off SE New Guinea.
R. i. niveiventris Rothschild & E. J. O. Hartert, 1914 – Admiralty Is (Manus, Rambutyo), in NW Bismarck Archipelago.
R. i. mussai Rothschild & E. J. O. Hartert, 1924 – Mussau I, in St Matthias Group, N Bismarck Archipelago.
R. i. setosa (Quoy & Gaimard, 1830) – New Hanover, New Ireland and Djaul I, in EC Bismarck Archipelago.
R. i. gigantea Stresemann, 1933 – Tabar Is and Lihir Is (off E New Ireland), in EC Bismarck Archipelago.
R. i. tangensis Mayr, 1955 – Boang, in Tanga Is, in EC Bismarck Archipelago.
R. i. finschii Salvadori, 1882 – New Britain, Duke of York I, Watom I and Lolobau I, in S Bismarck Archipelago.
R. i. isura Gould, 1841 – N Australia from about Broome (in N Western Australia) E across Top End to NE Queensland (S to vicinity of Proserpine).
The scientific name of Northern Fantail should be Rhipidura setosa
HBW Alive:
Subspecies and Distribution
R. i. vidua Salvadori & Turati, 1874 – Kofiau, in West Papuan Is.
R. i. gularis S. Müller, 1843 – Gebe I, West Papuan Is (except Kofiau), New Guinea, including islands in Geelvink Bay (except Biak; apparently absent from Numfor), Manam I, Goodenough I and Fergusson I, and islands in Torres Strait.
R. i. nigromentalis E. J. O. Hartert, 1898 – Louisiade Archipelago (Misima, Tagula), off SE New Guinea.
R. i. niveiventris Rothschild & E. J. O. Hartert, 1914 – Admiralty Is (Manus, Rambutyo), in NW Bismarck Archipelago.
R. i. mussai Rothschild & E. J. O. Hartert, 1924 – Mussau I, in St Matthias Group, N Bismarck Archipelago.
R. i. setosa (Quoy & Gaimard, 1830) – New Hanover, New Ireland and Djaul I, in EC Bismarck Archipelago.
R. i. gigantea Stresemann, 1933 – Tabar Is and Lihir Is (off E New Ireland), in EC Bismarck Archipelago.
R. i. tangensis Mayr, 1955 – Boang, in Tanga Is, in EC Bismarck Archipelago.
R. i. finschii Salvadori, 1882 – New Britain, Duke of York I, Watom I and Lolobau I, in S Bismarck Archipelago.
R. i. isura Gould, 1841 – N Australia from about Broome (in N Western Australia) E across Top End to NE Queensland (S to vicinity of Proserpine).
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