Latest IOC Diary Updates (11 Viewers)

[Wandering Albatross]

iGoTerra will update to IOC 15.1 in the same way as has been done over the years and will as usual include subspecies and range data. iGoTerra sees no reason to deviate from that practice just because this revision will contain more lumps than splits. To create an extra option to stay at IOC 14.2 would be the same as having even one more list to choose from.

 

[Maffong]

iGoTerra will update to IOC 15.1 in the same way as has been done over the years and will as usual include subspecies and range data. iGoTerra sees no reason to deviate from that practice just because this revision will contain more lumps than splits. To create an extra option to stay at IOC 14.2 would be the same as having even one more list to choose from.

Seems completely reasonable to me. Otherwise we'd just get stuck with the status quo. It would have rendered the whole Avilist thing nonsensical.

 

[Kirk Roth]

iGoTerra will update to IOC 15.1 in the same way as has been done over the years and will as usual include subspecies and range data. iGoTerra sees no reason to deviate from that practice just because this revision will contain more lumps than splits. To create an extra option to stay at IOC 14.2 would be the same as having even one more list to choose from.

That's a sensible and predicted way for iGoTerra to proceed. But to be fair, the issue here is not that there are more lumps than splits - if that were the only so-called "problem" I don't think people would be asking for a taxonomic pause.

The issue of course is that some of these lumps are very clearly counter to conclusions from very good taxonomic research, and that many perceive to be incorrect. If systems are (at the very least perceptually) stepping toward consensus but away from reality - then it should be no surprise that several would be interested in exploring options outside the box.

 

[l_raty]

That's a sensible and predicted way for iGoTerra to proceed.

Rather predictable, I agree, but I fail to understand their answer.

They currently offer the possibility to choose from two taxonomies (Clements and IOC), and they proudly present this as a reason to use them rather than (just) eBird : iGoTerra . With the so-called 'reconciliation', these two taxonomies are shortly going to be one : creating an extra option would obviously not "be the same as having even one more list to choose from" -- it would only preserve the possibility to choose from two taxonomies, as they currently offer it.

Not saying that an option to stay at IOC 14.2 is necessarily what is needed; but, if they do nothing, ain't they simply going to loose, de facto, one of the features that make them attractive to birders ?

 

[YuShan]

Darn! Now I need to go on another birding trip to make up for all the lumped species

 

[Mike Hunter]

Rather predictable, I agree, but I fail to understand their answer.

They currently offer the possibility to choose from two taxonomies (Clements and IOC), and they proudly present this as a reason to use them rather than (just) eBird : iGoTerra . With the so-called 'reconciliation', these two taxonomies are shortly going to be one : creating an extra option would obviously not "be the same as having even one more list to choose from" -- it would only preserve the possibility to choose from two taxonomies, as they currently offer it.

Not saying they an option to stay at IOC 14.2 is necessarily what is needed; but, if they do nothing, ain't they simply going to loose, de facto, one of the features that make them attractive to birders ?

The guidance you refer sets out the complementary benefits and advantages of birders using both iGoTerra and eBird.

Having access to both Clements and IOC taxonomies is one of many benefits of iGoTerra membership.

As eBird, IOC and Birdlife all adopt the new unified global taxonomy it would not make sense for iGoTerra to maintain 'unsupported' taxonomies.

With one unified taxonomy there will still be plenty of reasons for considering iGoTerra:

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[Kirk Roth]

As eBird, IOC and Birdlife all adopt the new unified global taxonomy it would not make sense for iGoTerra to maintain 'unsupported' taxonomies.

...well, supported by research, anyway!

 

[l_raty]

Even without the 'advantage' of two taxonomies in the future there are plenty of reasons for considering iGoTerra:

Hopefully you are right.
(Still, if I was a subscriber, I know that I'd be pissed off to see one of the features I pay for go away. But I guess it may just be me.)

 

[Markus Lagerqvist]

Enggano Hill Myna

Gracula enganensis

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Enggano Hill Myna Gracula enganensis is lumped with Common Hill Myna Gracula religiosa based on similar morphology and vocalizations (del Hoyo & Collar 2016; HBW/BirdLife; WGAC 145).

 

[Markus Lagerqvist]

Hopefully you are right.
(Still, if I was a subscriber, I know that I'd be pissed off to see one of the features I pay for go away. But I guess it may just be me.)

As a subscriber I can't see that as a negative or loss. That function was only needed when users were using competing taxonomies, so that both Clements & IOC users could use iGoTerra. With a unified taxonomy there's no need for it, so not a feature I'll miss at all!

 

[WACCOE]

Burmese Bushtit

Aegithalos sharpei

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Re-lump Burmese Bushtit Aegithalos sharpei with weakly divergent Black-browed Bushtit A. bonvaloti (del Hoyo & Collar 2016; HBW/BirdLife, WGAC 551).

 

[Paul Chapman]

As a subscriber I can't see that as a negative or loss. That function was only needed when users were using competing taxonomies, so that both Clements & IOC users could use iGoTerra. With a unified taxonomy there's no need for it, so not a feature I'll miss at all!

But probably best they keep the functionality behind the scenes. At the moment, this seems like a hasty marriage as a bystander & whilst I am often wrong, it is one where a number of us would be speculating how long it will last over a pint at the reception... 😀

All the best

Paul

 

[Mysticete]

But probably best they keep the functionality behind the scenes. At the moment, this seems like a hasty marriage as a bystander & whilst I am often wrong, it is one where a number of us would be speculating how long it will last over a pint at the reception... 😀

All the best

Paul

I imagine it would make sense to continue doing so, as I imagine there will still be variance in choice of common names.

 

[edenwatcher]

Marry in haste, repent at leisure...

Rob

 

[Wandering Albatross]

I imagine it would make sense to continue doing so, as I imagine there will still be variance in choice of common names.

Common names, e.g. US English or British English, would merely be a language thing, similar to all other almost 20 languages for world bird names available. Sci Names is of course directly linked to the taxonomy and needs strict adherence.

 

[Markus Lagerqvist]

Burmese Bushtit

Aegithalos sharpei

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Re-lump Burmese Bushtit Aegithalos sharpei with weakly divergent Black-browed Bushtit A. bonvaloti (del Hoyo & Collar 2016; HBW/BirdLife, WGAC 551).

 

[Jim LeNomenclatoriste]

Burmese Bushtit

Aegithalos sharpei

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Re-lump Burmese Bushtit Aegithalos sharpei with weakly divergent Black-browed Bushtit A. bonvaloti (del Hoyo & Collar 2016; HBW/BirdLife, WGAC 551).

Waccoe commented about it

 

[Viktor Björkert]

Dodson's Bulbul	Pycnonotus dodsoni	DEL	AL		Dodson's Bulbul Pycnonotus dodsoni is lumped with Common Bulbul Pycnonotus barbatus in a polytypic species that also includes P. somaliensis and P. tricolor. Common Bulbul was previously split on the basis of plumage, but the differences are clinal with many intermediates and there are no significant vocal differences (Dickinson & Christidis 2014; del Hoyo & Collar 2016; Stevenson & Fanshawe 2020; WGAC 1019).
Somali Bulbul	Pycnonotus somaliensis	DEL	AL		Somali Bulbul Pycnonotus somaliensis is lumped with Common Bulbul Pycnonotus barbatus in a polytypic species that also includes P. dodsoni and P. tricolor. Common Bulbul was previously split on the basis of plumage, but the differences are clinal with many intermediates and there are no significant vocal differences (Redman et al. 2011; Dickinson & Christidis 2014; del Hoyo & Collar 2016; WGAC 1019).
Dark-capped Bulbul	Pycnonotus tricolor	DEL	AL		Dark-capped Bulbul Pycnonotus tricolor (including spurius and layardi) is lumped with Common Bulbul Pycnonotus barbatus in a polytypic species that also includes P. dodsoni and P. somaliensis. Common Bulbul was previously split on the basis of plumage, but the differences are clinal with many intermediates and there are no significant vocal differences (Borrow & Demey 2001; Dickinson & Christidis 2014; del Hoyo & Collar 2016; Stevenson & Fanshawe 2020; WGAC 1019).

 

[Steve Lister]

It begins to bite when three get the chop at once, but to be honest the split of these bulbuls a few years ago was never very convincing.

 

[Mysticete]

IOC is leaving a lot of coal in people's stockings this year!