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Latest IOC Diary Updates (7 Viewers)
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awiner
Well-known member
You're welcome, but yes, off topic! Back to enjoying IOC finally splitting some birds I've seen both halves of.Offtopic, but thank you @awiner for adding the location icon in Scythebill that opens a google map when pressed. This had been my wish for a long time and now I have it!
Paul Clapham
Well-known member
Mar 9 Post splits of Manus Brush Cuckoo and Solomons Brush Cuckoo from (Australian) Brush Cuckoo.
Mar 9 Post split of Sulawesi Brush Cuckoo from Sunda Brush Cuckoo (formerly Rusty-breasted Cuckoo).
Mar 9 Post split of Sulawesi Brush Cuckoo from Sunda Brush Cuckoo (formerly Rusty-breasted Cuckoo).
All of these are single subspecies split off, with other subspecies staying with Australian or Sunda.
pbjosh
missing the neotropics
It will be interesting to see how those splits / any reshuffling of subspecies works out in that quite messy complex. If I recall correctly / have things straight, IOC and Clements now have "Moluccan Cuckoo" C aeruginosus defined the same? But Clements is way behind in even recognizing the split of Sunda Brush Cuckoo / C sepulcralis. And there is still an unnamed taxon on Tanimbar & satellites I think.
Is there agreement in how much of the Lesser Sundas is included in Sunda vs Australian? Again going on memory I think everything to Alor (including Sumba) is in Sunda and from Wetar/Timor E it's in Australian?
Is there agreement in how much of the Lesser Sundas is included in Sunda vs Australian? Again going on memory I think everything to Alor (including Sumba) is in Sunda and from Wetar/Timor E it's in Australian?
Jacana
Will Jones
There have been a bunch of additional English name updates too (usually not posted on the diary page).
| Verreaux's Monal-Partridge | Tetraophasis obscurus | Chestnut-throated Monal-Partridge | Change English name of Tetraophasis obscurus from Verreaux's Monal-Partridge to Chestnut-throated Monal-Partridge to align with other major world bird liists. |
| Szechenyi's Monal-Partridge | Tetraophasis szechenyii | Buff-throated Monal-Partridge | Change English name of Tetraophasis szechenyii from Szechenyi's Monal-Partridge to Buff-throated Monal-Partridge to align with other major world bird liists. |
| Rusty-breasted Cuckoo | Cacomantis sepulcralis | Sunda Brush Cuckoo | Change English name of Cacomantis sepulcralis from Rusty-breasted Cuckoo to Sunda Brush Cuckoo with the split of C. virescens (Wu et al. 2022). |
| Brush Cuckoo | Cacomantis variolosus | Australian Brush Cuckoo | Change English name of Cacomantis variolosus from Brush Cuckoo to Australian Brush Cuckoo with its spit into multiple species. |
| Orange Fruit Dove | Ptilinopus victor | Orange Dove | Change English name of Orange Fruit Dove Ptilinopus victor to Orange Dove to align with other major world bird lists. |
| Golden Fruit Dove | Ptilinopus luteovirens | Golden Dove | Change English name of Golden Fruit Dove Ptilinopus luteovirens to Golden Dove to align with other major world bird lists. |
| Whistling Fruit Dove | Ptilinopus layardi | Whistling Dove | Change English name of Whistling Fruit Dove Ptilinopus layardi to Whistling Dove to align with other major world bird lists. |
| Hombron's Kingfisher | Actenoides hombroni | Blue-capped Kingfisher | Change English name of Hombron's Kingfisher Actenoides hombroni to Blue-capped Kingfisher to align with other major world bird lists. |
| Winchell's Kingfisher | Todiramphus winchelli | Rufous-lored Kingfisher | Change English name of Winchell's Kingfisher Todiramphus winchelli to Rufous-lored Kingfisher to align with other major world bird lists. |
Jacana
Will Jones
And from the subspecies:
IIRC, saturata turns up in Europe on occasion, especially in late autumn. There was a bird in Uppsala, Sweden in November a few years ago that looked a bit dusky compared to the usual nominate birds. Can anyone recall where the intergrade zone between epops and saturata is located?
| Eurasian Hoopoe | Upupa epops | Add subspecies saturata. | ADD | Recognize U. e. saturata which is often lumped with the nominate, but which is morphologically distinct (Cramp et al. 1985; Ericson 1997; del Hoyo & Collar 2014). |
IIRC, saturata turns up in Europe on occasion, especially in late autumn. There was a bird in Uppsala, Sweden in November a few years ago that looked a bit dusky compared to the usual nominate birds. Can anyone recall where the intergrade zone between epops and saturata is located?
Xenospiza
Distracted
According to the Handbook of the Birds of the World, saturata occurs in Siberia east of the Yenisey, in China and Tibet, with epops reaching east to the Ob/Yenisey watershed and Xinjiang.
sicklebill
well-known Cretaceous relic
Wetar and Timor are in Sunda, not Australasia
Jacana
Will Jones
Geographically, yes. But the question was whether the Brush Cuckoos on Wetar/Timor are Sunda or Australian. IOC has Rote, Timor and Wetar populations in Australian. Sunda stops at Alor.
These are the IOC's views on distribution of the 5 species that used to be either Brush Cuckoo or Rusty-breasted Cuckoo:
Cacomantis sepulcralis
sepulcralis Malay Pen., Greater and Lesser Sundas e to Alor
everetti Basilan and Sulu Arch. (s Philippines)
Cacomantis virescens
monotypic Sulawesi, Banggai and Sula is. (e of Sulawesi), Butung (=Buton) and Tukangbesi Is. (s, se of se Sulawesi)
Cacomantis variolosus
major n Moluccas (Morotai to Obi)
tymbonomus Rote, Timor and Wetar (e Lesser Sundas)
infaustus New Guinea and most satellite islands
obscuratus Numfor (Geelvink Bay is., nw New Guinea)
variolosus ne WA to s VIC (n, e Australia)
macrocercus New Ireland, New Britain and satellites (e Bismarck Arch.)
websteri Lavongai (=New Hanover, nc Bismarck Arch.)
fortior D'Entrecasteaux Arch. (e of se New Guinea)
Cacomantis addendus
monotypic Solomon Is. (except Rennell)
Cacomantis blandus
monotypic Ninigo and Admiralty Is. (nw Bismarck Arch.)
Edit: (taken from the subspecies spreadsheet for version 14.1, with no editing as my grasp of local geography is minimal)
Cacomantis sepulcralis
sepulcralis Malay Pen., Greater and Lesser Sundas e to Alor
everetti Basilan and Sulu Arch. (s Philippines)
Cacomantis virescens
monotypic Sulawesi, Banggai and Sula is. (e of Sulawesi), Butung (=Buton) and Tukangbesi Is. (s, se of se Sulawesi)
Cacomantis variolosus
major n Moluccas (Morotai to Obi)
tymbonomus Rote, Timor and Wetar (e Lesser Sundas)
infaustus New Guinea and most satellite islands
obscuratus Numfor (Geelvink Bay is., nw New Guinea)
variolosus ne WA to s VIC (n, e Australia)
macrocercus New Ireland, New Britain and satellites (e Bismarck Arch.)
websteri Lavongai (=New Hanover, nc Bismarck Arch.)
fortior D'Entrecasteaux Arch. (e of se New Guinea)
Cacomantis addendus
monotypic Solomon Is. (except Rennell)
Cacomantis blandus
monotypic Ninigo and Admiralty Is. (nw Bismarck Arch.)
Edit: (taken from the subspecies spreadsheet for version 14.1, with no editing as my grasp of local geography is minimal)
James Eaton
Trent Valley Crew
Indonesian field guide has the ranges of the four species, which I'd expect them to align with:
Sunda Brush Cuckoo. 2 ssp, 1 in region: sepulcralis (Sumatra – Alor, Sumba, Borneo, Thai-Malay Peninsular, Philippines).
Australian Rush Cuckoo. 8-9 ssp, 4-5 in region: variolosus (breeds Australia; migrates to Wetar, Flores, Moluccas, New Guinea); infaustus (New Guinea; Watubela, Kai, Seram Laut); major (North Moluccas); tymbonomus (Timor, Rote, Wetar); Tanimbar population undescribed subspecies (vocally it's extremely similar tymbonomus, just looks radically different but still has the eyering colour of the variolosus group).
Sulawesi Brush Cuckoo. monotypic. Sulawesi subregion
Moluccan Brush Cuckoo. 2 ssp: aeruginosus (C Moluccas); heinrichi (N Moluccas).
James
pbjosh
missing the neotropics
Cheers James!
Looks like IOC has also only recently split "Brush" into Sunda Brush / Australian Brush as ie, iGT and Avibase and the like don't reflect that change. I thought that had been split for some time. There are references in the diary/splits pages there to the renaming from Rusty-breasted to Brush Cuckoos but the actual split into Sunda / Australian seemingly isn't listed anywhere, but again seems it must be recent. Also It looks like Clements and IOC are aligned on Moluccan Cuckoo now. Presumably Clements/eBird will follow on the rest of these changes. Anyways the little details of exactly when this all happened don't matter, just musing a bit as it took me some time to sort out and I appreciate your and others' comments here.
Between using eBird personally and then trying to separately track what's coming in the future / keeping up with your & Frank's splits, Brazilian splits and the like, I don't always remember where IOC is. The Clements / eBird / IOC conversion can't come soon enough IMHO.
Looks like IOC has also only recently split "Brush" into Sunda Brush / Australian Brush as ie, iGT and Avibase and the like don't reflect that change. I thought that had been split for some time. There are references in the diary/splits pages there to the renaming from Rusty-breasted to Brush Cuckoos but the actual split into Sunda / Australian seemingly isn't listed anywhere, but again seems it must be recent. Also It looks like Clements and IOC are aligned on Moluccan Cuckoo now. Presumably Clements/eBird will follow on the rest of these changes. Anyways the little details of exactly when this all happened don't matter, just musing a bit as it took me some time to sort out and I appreciate your and others' comments here.
Between using eBird personally and then trying to separately track what's coming in the future / keeping up with your & Frank's splits, Brazilian splits and the like, I don't always remember where IOC is. The Clements / eBird / IOC conversion can't come soon enough IMHO.
Andy Adcock
Worst person on Birdforum
Are you referring to the 'range' button which has been there for ages or something else I haven't spotted?Offtopic, but thank you @awiner for adding the location icon in Scythebill that opens a google map when pressed. This had been my wish for a long time and now I have it!
What baffles me about the range button, is that it's not precise enough in many cases e.g a species that is endemic to say Borneo, Sulawesi or Java (for some reason, written as Jawa), the whole of Indonesia is shown as the range on the map, how easy would it be to change this to more accurately illustrate island endemics? An example is Friendly Warbler, endemic to montane Borneo yet the range map includes the whole of peninsular Malaysia.
It's strange because range limitations within say Africa or Asia, are illustrated in many cases.
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YuShan
Well-known member
Sunda Brush Cuckoo wasn't split from Brush Cuckoo, it was re-named to be a Brush Cuckoo having previously been Rusty-breasted Cuckoo. What used to be "Brush" is now Australian Brush, except for two of its subspecies which have been split.as Manus and Solomons.
Markus Lagerqvist
Well-known member
Mar 11 Post split of Mentawai Malkoha from Chestnut-breasted Malkoha.
Wikipedia describes it as "western Sumatran islands", IOC 14.1 specifies "Mentawai Is. (w of c Sumatra)". Just the one subspecies split off.
pbjosh
missing the neotropics
That's what I thought too, originally. Now looking at avibase again I see that IOC has had it as Rusty-breasted Cuckoo for a long long while.
I think some / a lot of my confusion here came from iGT showing Clements taxonomy if you're not logged in, which seems bizarre. Anyways sorry for the meandering confused messages
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