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Several (all?) checklists have literally changed Rock Pigeon back to Rock Dove for just this reason.
Clements is still using it. Personally, I think Rock Dove is a terrible name, as basically every English speaker knows this bird as a pigeon.

Also the other "fairy tern" is called "Australian Fairy Tern", not just "Fairy Tern".
 
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Misidentifications of Gygis as Sternula nereis are very common in eBird and would likley be avoided if the Gygis were "fairy-terns".
Yes, I can affirm that. A few months ago I was going through some of my old eBird records and to my horror I found "Australian Fairy Tern" on a Hawaiian record from 25 years ago. I have no idea how that got there, maybe I put it there or maybe some of the annual taxonomy updates permuted the right bird into that one. "Australian" would have deterred me from using that name, though, because I knew perfectly well it was a White Tern. So it's a mystery to me.
 
Misidentifications of Gygis as Sternula nereis are very common in eBird and would likley be avoided if the Gygis were "fairy-terns".

While I understand the issues with the names, and I understand the problem with eBird, I don’t think that having both birds named Fairy Tern, regardless of one having Australian as a predecessor and one having a hypen, is going to reduce errors or confusion.
 
While I understand the issues with the names, and I understand the problem with eBird, I don’t think that having both birds named Fairy Tern, regardless of one having Australian as a predecessor and one having a hypen, is going to reduce errors or confusion.
I believe what usually happens that people know the birds as "fairy terns" only, and since "White Tern" does not contain "fairy", people just look for whatever does. I wouldn't expect calling Gygias "fairy-terns" would remove the problem completely, but I would expect the problem to be drastically reduced.
 
Good point, but we also have sicklebills that are hummingbirds (Eutoxeres) and birds of paradise (Epimachus), so maybe not a deal-breaker? I'd personally like to see "fairy" retained in some way.
I mean, is there anywhere where the hummingbird and the tern overlap, outside the rare vagrant tern? I can't imagine it being a point of confusion. that is in contrast with the Fairy-tern versus Fairy tern situation, where I believe there are some areas where both occur.
 
I mean, is there anywhere where the hummingbird and the tern overlap, outside the rare vagrant tern? I can't imagine it being a point of confusion. that is in contrast with the Fairy-tern versus Fairy tern situation, where I believe there are some areas where both occur.
Purple-crowned Fairy and White Tern can both be seen in Panama and Costa Rica, though "is the bird over open water" is a pretty easy disambiguation point.

Fairy Tern vs. Fairy-tern would be just plain mean to New South Wales and New Caledonian birders.
 
Purple-crowned Fairy and White Tern can both be seen in Panama and Costa Rica, though "is the bird over open water" is a pretty easy disambiguation point.

Fairy Tern vs. Fairy-tern would be just plain mean to New South Wales and New Caledonian birders.
Indo-Pacific Fairytern works, or Indo-Pacific White Noddy as per Steve Howell's book
 
Purple-crowned Fairy and White Tern can both be seen in Panama and Costa Rica, though "is the bird over open water" is a pretty easy disambiguation point.

Fairy Tern vs. Fairy-tern would be just plain mean to New South Wales and New Caledonian birders.
It wouldn't be "Fairy Tern" vs "Fairy-Tern", it would be "Australian Fairy Tern" vs "Indo-Pacific Fairy-Tern". Australian birders already have to deal with "Chestnut-quilled Rock-Pigeon" vs "White-quilled Rock-Pigeon" vs "Rock Pigeon", and these tern names would be much less confusing.
 
It wouldn't be "Fairy Tern" vs "Fairy-Tern", it would be "Australian Fairy Tern" vs "Indo-Pacific Fairy-Tern". Australian birders already have to deal with "Chestnut-quilled Rock-Pigeon" vs "White-quilled Rock-Pigeon" vs "Rock Pigeon", and these tern names would be much less confusing.

I can’t agree that those are less confusing names. The fact that “White Tern/Noddy” is also known as Fairy Tern is basically a mess and there is not a good solution. Naming them both Fairy Tern and assuming that a hyphen will reduce confusion is some really hopeful thinking. I am quite sure the majority of people will see the two names and assume there are two sister species and the separation must be in Indonesia or the like.

Scrub Jays get called Blue Jays all the time and people manage to make it work. Renaming the Scrub Jays to Blue-Jays to differentiate from Blue Jay is kinda analogous if even more ridiculous…
 
I can’t agree that those are less confusing names. The fact that “White Tern/Noddy” is also known as Fairy Tern is basically a mess and there is not a good solution. Naming them both Fairy Tern and assuming that a hyphen will reduce confusion is some really hopeful thinking. I am quite sure the majority of people will see the two names and assume there are two sister species and the separation must be in Indonesia or the like.

Scrub Jays get called Blue Jays all the time and people manage to make it work. Renaming the Scrub Jays to Blue-Jays to differentiate from Blue Jay is kinda analogous if even more ridiculous…
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it would be "Australian Fairy Tern" vs "Indo-Pacific Fairy-Tern".
It doesn’t matter if people think they’re sister species based on common names or not. As long as they don’t think they are the same species, that is all that matters. Sister species relationships are visible (to some extent) in scientific names.
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I can’t agree that those are less confusing names. The fact that “White Tern/Noddy” is also known as Fairy Tern is basically a mess and there is not a good solution. Naming them both Fairy Tern and assuming that a hyphen will reduce confusion is some really hopeful thinking. I am quite sure the majority of people will see the two names and assume there are two sister species and the separation must be in Indonesia or the like.

Scrub Jays get called Blue Jays all the time and people manage to make it work. Renaming the Scrub Jays to Blue-Jays to differentiate from Blue Jay is kinda analogous if even more ridiculous…
I don't think the comparison to scrub-jays makes sense here. "Fairy Tern" is cemented as a name for Gygias. It's even what most birders call them - I've heard confusion from many people when I saw "White Tern", but when I switch to "Fairy Tern", people know exactly what I'm talking about. Basically anywhere English-speaking populations encounter this taxon they call it "Fairy Tern". None of those things can be said for the scrub-jays being called "blue jays".

I don't think it matters if people incidentally think the taxa are related based on their common names, as long as it's clear that they are separate species, which this name would make very clear.
 
I can’t agree that those are less confusing names. The fact that “White Tern/Noddy” is also known as Fairy Tern is basically a mess and there is not a good solution. Naming them both Fairy Tern and assuming that a hyphen will reduce confusion is some really hopeful thinking. I am quite sure the majority of people will see the two names and assume there are two sister species and the separation must be in Indonesia or the like.
Not to mention if you are on a beach calling out birds. Like how the hell would Fairy Tern versus Fairy-tern sound different. I'm guessing existing Aussie birders often just go with Fairy Tern not adding the modifier.
 
Not to mention if you are on a beach calling out birds. Like how the hell would Fairy Tern versus Fairy-tern sound different. I'm guessing existing Aussie birders often just go with Fairy Tern not adding the modifier.
I would imagine that, to some degree, they probably already have this problem.
 

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