JANJ
Well-known member
Quite understandible Th_SQ's agony over the Redpoll here. I have gone through the images and also had difficulties to see that they all where of the same bird. In a PM to Jane I mentioned that the only pic. I was pretty sure of being an Arctic was this one:
http://www.vividpix.com/images/pages_r2_c1.jpg
Being aware of the difficulties to separate many Redpoll/Arctic, especially 1cy birds, I think that the shape of the undertail streaks is acceptable for exilipes and the rump patch, which is broad enough, with a hint of pinkish and vaguely streaked is acceptable for a 2cy male. A problem (?) would be the bill size and it´s quite fascinating to see in the vividpix link how the impression of bill size changes in pic. 2 to pic.5 as also can be seen here, first and second pic. (same bird)
http://www.sofnet.org/index.asp?lev=1804&typ=1
(1k hanne = 1cy male, 1k hona = 1cy female)
Further on bills, check these flammea bills and notise besides size the slightly curve near the tip, which also exceed the tip of lower mandible in many:
http://web.telia.com/~u15702529/faltbestamning/nabben/mer_grasisknabbar.htm
and look at the second exilipes at the bottom of this page:
http://web.telia.com/~u15702529/faltbestamning/nabben/siskornas_nabbar.htm
and this one from December:
http://www.uof.nu/Galleri/images/Galleri1_0409-12/snosiska1_FL.jpg
2cy exilipes Nov.
http://www.bingsmarken.se/Bilder/snsis_sta_bo.jpg
According to tailfeathers of 1cy which are pointed, but occasionally can be renewed in some, from a few up to all.
JanJ
http://www.vividpix.com/images/pages_r2_c1.jpg
Being aware of the difficulties to separate many Redpoll/Arctic, especially 1cy birds, I think that the shape of the undertail streaks is acceptable for exilipes and the rump patch, which is broad enough, with a hint of pinkish and vaguely streaked is acceptable for a 2cy male. A problem (?) would be the bill size and it´s quite fascinating to see in the vividpix link how the impression of bill size changes in pic. 2 to pic.5 as also can be seen here, first and second pic. (same bird)
http://www.sofnet.org/index.asp?lev=1804&typ=1
(1k hanne = 1cy male, 1k hona = 1cy female)
Further on bills, check these flammea bills and notise besides size the slightly curve near the tip, which also exceed the tip of lower mandible in many:
http://web.telia.com/~u15702529/faltbestamning/nabben/mer_grasisknabbar.htm
and look at the second exilipes at the bottom of this page:
http://web.telia.com/~u15702529/faltbestamning/nabben/siskornas_nabbar.htm
and this one from December:
http://www.uof.nu/Galleri/images/Galleri1_0409-12/snosiska1_FL.jpg
2cy exilipes Nov.
http://www.bingsmarken.se/Bilder/snsis_sta_bo.jpg
According to tailfeathers of 1cy which are pointed, but occasionally can be renewed in some, from a few up to all.
JanJ
