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hi guys, i ordered a leica 8x50 BN. is that good? (3 Viewers)

hey you all,

im new to birdforum, and newbie of binoculars. i just had a good deal with leica 8x50 BN Trinovid 40069.

got a few questions, how much when it was brand new? seems like leica didn't make it for many years , which year did leica stop making it? and how is the optic performance? thank you

Andy
 
Andy,
I'm a Leica fan, but not a collector or expert. I believe the Leica Trinovids began production as the BA model in 1989 or 1990, and somewhere along the line changed to BN (closer focusing), and were made until around 2000 when the Ultravid came out. Prices crept up over this period, but I believe your 8x50 BN would have cost around $1300 new.

Your serial number is very mystifying to me. I currently own a 12x50 BN and a 10x50 Ultravid BR. Both have serial number that are 7 digit numbers. The BN starts with 144, and the later BR starts with 153. So it appears their numbers are consistent, and also consistent with other Leicas I've owned. Your 5 digit number just doesn't fit at all.

I hope member Garymh will pipe in, he is a real expert and can answer all these questions. The main reason I'm even attempting it and creating all this hot air, is to welcome you to the forum! I personally have not seen the exact model you have, but would be pleased if I had one. The reviews that I have seen rated the 8x50 to be optically the best of the BA/BN series.

Trinovids were once top of the heap, and have of course been outdone in some ways by newer models which are made of more lightweight materials, and have more transmissive coatings and often with advanced glass types. But there is still much to be enjoyed about a Trinovid.

The relatively narrow field of the 8x50 is simply a geometrical consequence of its large size and low power. As a result of the narrowness, however, the edge of field will be seen as much more sharply focused than in a binocular with a wider field of view. Another benefit is the long eye relief, which will be an advantage if you need to wear glasses or sunglasses while viewing.

The high weight is the consequence of the degree of ruggedness and precision that Leica achieved without the benefits of magnesium, titanium, polycarbonate, etc.

The light transmission through a BN is around 84%, vs 90-93% for the best modern models. This difference is not large, but is noticeable in direct comparison. It is the only significant optical shortcoming between it and the latest stuff. Taken alone for what it is, however, the BN view is satisfying. There are quite a few fans of these here, but most are birdwatchers who favor the 8x32.

Much has been said here of the advantages of binoculars with large exit pupils, like an 8x50. Most birders don't use them because they are big and heavy for the magnification, but they deliver significant optical advantages in term of the sharpness and quality of the image, ease of use and quickness of view finding, and resistance against scattered light. And of course, they excel for the one thing that makes them so popular with hunters, and that is their performance in near darkness. If you are a newbie, you may take these things for granted for a while, until you try a small high power binocular, and then I think you'll truly appreciate what you've got.

There is also a certain sense of history there. The Leica Trinovid largely first defined what continues today as the modern roof prism binocular, with internal focusing, full waterproofing, adjustable mechanical eyecups, and left/right eye adjustment integral with the focusing mechanism. It was also one of the first with prism phase correction coating, but sadly, Zeiss set that precedent a couple of years previous, you can't win em all I guess! I hope you enjoy yours.
Ron
 
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40069 is not the serial number - it is the Leica product number for the 8x50 BN.

The 42mm and 50mm Trinovid BAs were replaced by their BN equivalents in 2000 (the 32mm versions were not replaced until 2001).

The 8x50's close focus was improved from 5.4m on the BA to 3.6m on the BN.

The Ultravids were introduced in 2003 and for a while both Trinovids and Ultravids were produced side by side. The Trinovids were then gradually phased out. Production of the 50mm Trinovids ceased in early 2006.
 
40069 is not the serial number - it is the Leica product number for the 8x50 BN.

The 42mm and 50mm Trinovid BAs were replaced by their BN equivalents in 2000 (the 32mm versions were not replaced until 2001).

The 8x50's close focus was improved from 5.4m on the BA to 3.6m on the BN.

The Ultravids were introduced in 2003 and for a while both Trinovids and Ultravids were produced side by side. The Trinovids were then gradually phased out. Production of the 50mm Trinovids ceased in early 2006.

hi Gary, u finally turned up, are you the leica guy or bino guy? thanks for the detailed explations. i just bid this leica 8x50 bn from ebay. seller states that is a brand new, but it doest come with a eyepiece cap. is there a original eyepiece cap for this bino or this model doest come with a eyepiece cap ?
 
Hi, bit of both really !!!!!!!

I worked for Leica as their binocular engineer for about 17 years then moved to Zeiss. I also collect binoculars.

The eyepiece cap (rainguard) you need for your binocular is Leica part code 42144.

It was supplied with the binocular when purchased new.
 
Hi Gary

Did the Tri (meaning three) in Trinovid refer to the three prisms in the original Trinovid?

And while exploring these old names, did the Di (in Zeiss Dialyt) refer to the two halves of a binocular??

Lee
 
hi Lee,

The name Trinovid was first used in 1958 with the first series of the Trinovid range. This is today a rare and expensive beast as only a few hundred were built (attached is a picture of the 8x40). The name came from :

Tri = 3
Nov = novelties
Vid = video (latin for "to see")

The first trinovid had 3 new features employed in its design - hence the name meant "three innovations for seeing" . These were :

1. The prism system consisting of a roof prism and two mirrors.
2. The revolutionary focus wheel with built in dioptre adjustment.
3. The internal focussing system to protect the optics from dust and moisture.


You have got me interested now. I must research the origins of the Dialyt name !!!!!
 

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hi Lee,

The name Trinovid was first used in 1958 with the first series of the Trinovid range. This is today a rare and expensive beast as only a few hundred were built (attached is a picture of the 8x40). The name came from :

Tri = 3
Nov = novelties
Vid = video (latin for "to see")

The first trinovid had 3 new features employed in its design - hence the name meant "three innovations for seeing" . These were :

1. The prism system consisting of a roof prism and two mirrors.
2. The revolutionary focus wheel with built in dioptre adjustment.
3. The internal focussing system to protect the optics from dust and moisture.


You have got me interested now. I must research the origins of the Dialyt name !!!!!

Thanks Gary

I thought the Uppendahl-equipped Trinnies were the first generaton and had never heard of this fascinating beast. Thanks for the explanation and the pic.

Lee
 
You have got me interested now. I must research the origins of the Dialyt name !!!!!

Hi Again Gary

According to Peter Abrahams list the Hensoldt Dialyts first appeared in 1905 with a 5x35, after their first roof prism bin in 1897.

No explantation of Dialyt though.

Lee
 
Hi, bit of both really !!!!!!!

I worked for Leica as their binocular engineer for about 17 years then moved to Zeiss. I also collect binoculars.

The eyepiece cap (rainguard) you need for your binocular is Leica part code 42144.

It was supplied with the binocular when purchased new.

Gary, i wanna be you... fansy job with hobby, awesome, really.

thank you for telling me the parts number. im lucky, this is only one item listed on ebay and i bid it. Leica Binocular Eyepiece Cap in Mint- Condition, #42144, i got it for $46.

btw, i got this binoculars leica 8x50 bn for US$1035 inluding delivery. is that a worth deal ?

i think i may get a 8x32 bn in the future, but its so hard to find it. i like the leica bn shape. lol. any suggestions?
 
Gary,
Thanks for replacing my wild guesses and confusion with facts.
While you're at it, could you tell us what "Ultravid" and "Victory" mean, HA!
Ron


Andy,
You got only an average deal if the binocular was in the usual good used condition, but if the binocular is really unused, you got a good deal.
Ron
 
Below is a link which gives a good, short history of Leica since 2000. Start at the bottom with the Trinovid BN and then work your way up.

http://www.company7.com/leica/news.html#1September2000

Bob

Hi, just using this thread to share an interesting link I recently stumbled upon:
Current Leica binos: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Current_Leica_Binoculars
Leica roofs: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Roof-Prism_Leica_Binoculars
Leica porros: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Porro-Prism_and_Galilean_Leitz_Binoculars
 
Dear all,
The term DIALYT is round 1828 used by Von Littrow and Rogers for a lens-telescope with an objective lens which consists of "ein einfacher Kronlinse", see "ABC der Optik" from Karl Müntze, Verlag Dausien, 1960, page 180. Around 1905 Carl Hensoldt (son of Moritz Hensoldt who was the founding father of the Hensoldt company) used the term Dialyt for the roof prism binoculars in 1905 introduced by the company. The term was continued by Zeiss, when Hensoldt became part of the Zeiss company.
I could not find the actual meaning of the term but it may be attributed to the two doublets in the instrument : a cemented doublet in the eyepiece and a cemented doublet for the objective. This was what I could find as yet about the term Dialyt.
 
In addition to my previous post I found the booklet published on behalf of the 100th anniversary of Hensoldt: "100 Jahre Hensoldt 1852-1952". That mentions "ein dialytische Objektivsystem" in combination with the new prism of the Hensoldt binocular (page 40). That Dialytisch objective system consist of two lenses which are cemented. That seems the origin of the term Dialyt.
 
In addition to my previous post I found the booklet published on behalf of the 100th anniversary of Hensoldt: "100 Jahre Hensoldt 1852-1952". That mentions "ein dialytische Objektivsystem" in combination with the new prism of the Hensoldt binocular (page 40). That Dialytisch objective system consist of two lenses which are cemented. That seems the origin of the term Dialyt.

Goode morgen Gijs

Thanks so much for your info on the origins of Dialyt :)

Lee
 
Gary,
Thanks for replacing my wild guesses and confusion with facts.
While you're at it, could you tell us what "Ultravid" and "Victory" mean, HA!
Ron


Andy,
You got only an average deal if the binocular was in the usual good used condition, but if the binocular is really unused, you got a good deal.
Ron

hi Ronh,
good to see you again, thanks for the "valuation" lol. seller said nothing is missing, the eyepiece cap is still in the box and binoculars is brand new. but he replied so late untill i bought another eyepiece cap already, lol.

i will see if this 8x50 bn is brand new. this model discontinued many years ago, no idea why seller insist on its brand new.
 
wow, i really learned alot from this forum, awesome.

by the way, i bought a book " birds of Australia" today, i ll get more information about birds so that i could get more interest when watching them . lol
 

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