Clamorous Reed Warbler ? (2 Viewers)

[CyberDoc]

Is this a Clamorous Reed Warbler ?

http://www.kashmirnetwork.com/birds/unknown/reedw.jpg
http://www.kashmirnetwork.com/birds/unknown/reedw2.jpg

Area Acrocephalus possibilities:

* Moustached Warbler
* Sedge Warbler
* Black-browed Reed Warbler
* Paddyfield Warbler
* Blunt-winged Warbler
* Blyth's Reed Warbler
**Great Reed Warbler
* Clamorous Reed Warbler

It was photographed today in Kashmir.
Confirmation / Alternate ID Please. Thanks.

 

[dan pointon]

It's definitely not Moustached or Sedge, and the pics of Clamorous in my book look darker than this bird. I don't know Black Browed Reed or Blunt Winged, but it has quite a rusty rump, not present on Blyth's Reed according to my book. Maybe Paddyfield? The Collins guide shows a rusty rump and quite pale on front. Size would rule out Great Reed, how big was it?

Dan

 

[Edward woodwood]

either Clamourous or Great Reed I feel

extemely difficult to separate - the short primary projection favours Clamourous

did you see leg colour Cyber Doc?

Tim

 

[Dimitris]

either Clamourous or Great Reed I feel

extemely difficult to separate - the short primary projection favours Clamourous

did you see leg colour Cyber Doc?

Tim

Did it sing?That's the best way to tell them apart...

 

[Dimitris]

Agree with Tim on the species. Can't go any further then that though....

 

[Dimitris]

Bill looks long and narrow which points to Clamorous...but not at all sure...

 

[Sumit]

Hi,
Looks like a Clamorous based on length of primary projection and extent of supercilium. As Reed Warblers are often extremely difficult to distinguish even with outstanding photographs, this one is best left as a "possible" in my opinion.
Regards,
Sumit

 

[CyberDoc]

I'll try to see if I can make out the leg colour on other images. There were a number of these birds in a smallish reedy area about the size of a small parking lot. Since Clamorous Reed Warbler is described as a common local summer visitor to Kashmir while a Great Reed Warbler would be a vagrant then maybe the former would be the better choice?

http://www.delhibird.org/checklists/Jammu & Kashmir/jammu_&_kashmir.htm

 

[CyberDoc]

Another image at:

http://www.kashmirnetwork.com/birds/unknown/reedw3.jpg

kind of hard to make out the leg color ;-(

 

[Sumit]

I'll try to see if I can make out the leg colour on other images. There were a number of these birds in a smallish reedy area about the size of a small parking lot. Since Clamorous Reed Warbler is described as a common local summer visitor to Kashmir while a Great Reed Warbler would be a vagrant then maybe the former would be the better choice?

http://www.delhibird.org/checklists/Jammu & Kashmir/jammu_&_kashmir.htm

I think there are only a couple of old records of Great Reed (Acrocephalus arundinaceus) from the subcontinent (one from Pakistan and another from the Leh area) and there was some debate about the authenticity of these records. But if the species is to be found in India, the area would be from where the image came. So worth the time of some experts ? and worth CyberDoc's time for a few more images ?
Regards,
Sumit

 

[Gashead]

You'll know a Great when you hear it. Much more rawkous, disjointed, loud and random than a clam.

 

[CyberDoc]

Definitely raucous, disjointed, loud but I'm not too sure about random since the calls seemed to be in response to each others calls.

I'll try to get more images & possibly a call recording later this week.

 

[Gashead]

Glamorous Reed Warbler ? :girl: ?

 

[CyberDoc]

More images at:
http://www.kashmirnetwork.com/birds/reed.html

These are four different birds.
Image 1
Images 2-4
Image 5
Image 6

 

[CyberDoc]

I am inclined to mark them down as Clamorous Reed Warblers on the basis of calls -which have been described as slow, chattering jit-jit-jit for GRW vs kereet-kereet-kereet for CRW with both having typically acrocephaline whistles and mimicry.

 

[hannu]

See follow link:
http://www.tarsiger.com/images/SL/acrste_linjama_310305.JPG

 

[Charlie M]

Hi,
I posted a couple of photos of a Clamorous Reed I took in Muscat last month at http://www.charliesbirdblog.com/~charlie/MCT21mar05/MCT21mar05.html
The view is from the front, but it may help?
Charlie

 

[hannu]

Short prim proj match to the Clamorous, > shorter than the length of tertials.
Great Reed have long prim proj, minimum the length of tertials,
etc....