Canon Powershot SX70 HS review (2 Viewers)

[RichardHoeg]

SX70 Digital vs Optical Zoom Test

In my previous reviews I had noted I never used the digital zoom with my SX60. Today I found another cooperative Snowy Owl and tried turning of digital zoom. I was very impressed in sunny / very bright cloud conditions, and not so impressed when the clouds were thick (lower light)

My photos / test may be found upon my blog ...

https://www.365daysofbirds.com/2019/01/21/sax-zim-bog-sunrise-owls-snowy-and-gray/

 

[HermitIbis]

In my previous reviews I had noted I never used the digital zoom with my SX60. Today I found another cooperative Snowy Owl and tried turning of digital zoom. I was very impressed in sunny / very bright cloud conditions, and not so impressed when the clouds were thick (lower light)

My photos / test may be found upon my blog ...

https://www.365daysofbirds.com/2019/01/21/sax-zim-bog-sunrise-owls-snowy-and-gray/

Thanks for the link to your blog. I particularly liked your piece "The Well Dressed Birder at -13F (-25C)".

 

[RichardHoeg]

SX70 Auto Focus Issue in Highly Reflective Light Situation

I am the user who has been posting periodic reviews of the new Canon SX70 of photographs taken of birds in the Boreal forest. Up until this point, I have been very pleased with my new camera, particularly how it now performs in low light compared to the SX60 it replaced.

However, two days ago I discovered an auto focusing issue which appears to happen in very bright light situations. In my case, while photographing a Snowy Owl, even though I had good light (extremely light clouds with reflective light off newly fallen snow). I was using Aperture Priority with the sun pretty much behind me. My ISO was set at 100, and the camera picked a 1/1500 shutter speed. I noticed that I was having difficulty getting a focus lock. At first I thought the issue was white on white (Snowy Owl on fresh snow). I did manage to get some good photos, but also a lot of garbage shots.

Later in the afternoon I visited a Bobcat den I have been watching. Once again I started to have focus lock issues (aperture priority once again). The combination of new snow, and a reflective shed wall was fooling my camera. This time I wondered if that was the case, switched to full manual ... halved the shutter speed and kept the ISO at 100 and the aperture as low as possible. Immediately my auto focus problem was solved.

I now suspect that in any highly reflective high light situation I will need to make certain I am in full manual mode ... no big deal for me, but for the more casual user it could ruin a lot of images (i.e. they will rarely use, if ever, manual mode). I expect in the summer while out on any of Minnesota's 15,000 lakes the problem will reoccur. One again, for me it will be a non issue as I am now prepared.

If you want to see my Snowy Owl and Bobcat photographs, follow this link:
https://www.365daysofbirds.com/2019/01/24/rabbits-beware-snowy-and-fluffy-are-looking-for-you/

If you want to see all my SX70 reviews, follow this link:
https://www.365daysofbirds.com/2018/12/19/canon-sx70-review-snowy-owls-spruce-grouse/

 

[RichardHoeg]

Thanks for the link to your blog. I particularly liked your piece "The Well Dressed Birder at -13F (-25C)".

The last few mornings it has been -25F to -30F in Sax-Zim Bog! I am still birding!

 

[Owen Krout]

Richard, Given where you are birding and that the auto focus problems just started, is it possible that the extreme cold temperatures are affecting the camera? Just a thought as you are way below the Canon specified operating range. Occasionally, I start seeing issues with my 7D when the battery gets too cold. I have been out birding at -20C here but usually call it quits at about -15C.

 

[RichardHoeg]

Temperature Issues

Richard, Given where you are birding and that the auto focus problems just started, is it possible that the extreme cold temperatures are affecting the camera? Just a thought as you are way below the Canon specified operating range. Occasionally, I start seeing issues with my 7D when the battery gets too cold. I have been out birding at -20C here but usually call it quits at about -15C.

Actually Imdoubt that -15C (5F) are causing any issues. This temperature is so common in the winter where I live, that I don't really even consider it cold. For the past 4 years I used my SX60 on every birding outing innthe winter and it was extremely unusual when the mornind does not start out this cold. I have had my SX70 since early December. We are now experiencing sever cold with a great fresh snow cover. Crisp, cold days of this nature meas almost zero moisture in the air ... in other words the amazing clear blue skies. This light reflects off the snow and creates huge reflections.

While Canon says the operating range is down to 32F, I've never had any issues when it is much, much colder. As noted, making the adjustments solved the problem.

 

[RichardHoeg]

SX70 Continuous Mode and Video

I am the person who has occasionally been posting reviews of the SX70 I purchased. This morning I had the opportunity to photograph two different osprey nests in northern Minnesota in "almost perfect photography conditions". Folks may be interested to view some videos I took, and my discussion of using JPG vs RAW mode ... and the post processing edits I made. Here is the link to my blog: (images & videos taken at full zoom using a monopod)

The Osprey Challenge

 

[kawwauser]

those are great pics and videos Richard

 

[RichardHoeg]

A number of folks have asked why I don't use RAW when taking photos with my SX70 (I am the person who has posted the reviews on my blog). While I recognize the value of RAW, I feel that the jpg algorithms are now so good combined with the fact that turning on RAW slows down by a factor or 2 the continuous mode, I always turn RAW off.

Yesterday I was up in Sax-Zim Bog, and photographed some recently fledged Barn Swallows. If I had had RAW enabled instead of obtaining my sequence of 15 images, my yield would have been only 7 or 8 photos. The entire set of pictures only took 1.5 seconds. I really liked having the greater number of images from which to choose. Browse to my blog and check out the entire set of pictures. A lot happens in 1.5 seconds. Who knows which photographs would have been missed.

365DaysOfBirds (my blog)

 

[John In Ireland]

Is it me??? .... I can't see anything wrong with these images. In fact I think they are quite good from a bridge camera. I expect this sort of quality from a bridge and cannot really say that my SX50 is any better on the quality front. I am seriously looking at a SX70 after this. Plus the videos look eye popping.

 

[RichardHoeg]

Canon Sx70 Digital Zoom at Max

I am the person / birder who posted reviews of the Sx70. While not strictly a test, two days ago I took some photographs with digital zoom turned of for some very distant Snowy Owls (three of them!). While conditions were not ideal as I had to photograph obliquely i to the sun, the camera performed well. I used either a monopod or tripod for all the photographs and video.

https://www.365daysofbirds.com/2019/11/25/snowy-owl-trifecta/

 

[crazyfingers]

My SX50's are getting really old now so for my birthday I ordered one of the last few New (not refurb or used) SX70's I could find on Amazon. I chose the SX70 over competitive Sony and Panasonic because I don't think I could live without the snap-back seek feature that I think that only Canon has. I also like the digital teleconveter that works at any zoom range.

I once tried the NikonP900 and hated it because of a many of reasons but it's also just too huge for my lifestyle. I also didn't like the SX60 due to the obviously inferior image quality vs the SX50.

So I guess I'll see. If I don't like the 70SX I have 30 days to return it and will keep hunting. It will be here in a week or a bit more. If anyone still cares I'll post my observations. One thing I will be sure to do is to take side by side photos from the SX50 and SX70 and post them.

 

[crazyfingers]

The SX70 arrived yesterday evening and I spent some time in the menus trying to set it up similarly to how I have the SX50 set up. Specifically turn-on settings on C1 optimized for no-fiddle center focusing and metering on a thing at the the very far end of zoom, like a bird on the post 50 feet away.

This morning before I had to sit down at the computer for work I was able to get some shots at static objects with both cameras and I'm very happy to report that the SX70 appears to produce quality photos equal to or frequently better than the SX50!

Finally! I tried two SX60's and hated them. Very poor photos next to the SX50 on simple static objects that I sent them both back. And I tried the Nikon P900 and despised it.

I still have fiddling to do with the SX70 settings. The IS is still jumping around more than with the SX50 as I have it set. But finally a keeper!

 

[crazyfingers]

Well now I'm becoming discouraged. This morning under ideal lighting conditions is the sx-70 out performed the SX 50 for image quality for static objects in the Sunshine. But I've gone out every now and then with both cameras over the day and as the day is gone on the differences become closer and most recently taking photos of birds and chipmunks in the grass or in the shade the SX 50 is significantly superior. I'm becoming very discouraged unless I can find some setting that needs to be changed. But I have compared settings for both and they appear to be as close as the somewhat different menus allow. The sx-70 is producing much fuzzier photos than the 50.

 

[MalR]

I wonder if the increased resolution of the sensor might have something to do with this. Presumably, in good light it can resolve more detail than the SX50, but raising the ISO in poor light or when photographing in shade is likely to introduce more noise, given that the SX70 has 20 megapixels crammed on to its small sensor, compared with just 12 megapixels for the SX50.

Malcolm

 

[crazyfingers]

I think that I've decided that the SX70 and SX50 can take equal quality photos. After fiddling more with the settings on the SX70 and taking about 500 side by side shots with the two cameras I'm getting about an equal number of better or worse shots from both cameras. However, it's a LOT MORE EFFORT getting a good shot on the SX70 because the Image Stabilization is so poor when compared to the SX50. The SX60 also had very poor image stabilization. And it's not just the slightly increased zoom that the SX70 provides. It's the same if I set the zoom and teleconverter such that both have about equal reach. The SX70 like the SX60 just does not do Image Stabilization very well at all next to the SX50. It's no effort to keep the SX50 right on top of the bird at 50-75 feet. The SX70 is all over the place.

The SX70 has other issues that I don't like. For example Frame-Assist Seek does not pull back the zoom as much as the SX50 does. This makes it a lot harder to reacquire the bird when it has hopped around a bit. The button also requires a lot more force to press than the SX50.

At least the SX70 did away with a very annoying feature that the SX60 had. When using Frame-Assist Seek, the SX60 darkened significantly the area outside of the original frame. This made it almost useless finding the hopped bird in the darkened area. The SX70 also appears to darken the frame outside the original frame but not so much that it's difficult to re-acquire the bird, so long as it hasn't jumped outside as I mentioned above.

I will probably keep the SX70 mainly because my SX50's are so old that I do fear being without a good superzoom camera. The market for these kinds of cameras appear to have been saturated an I'm unconvinced that the manufacturers are putting much if any new research into improving the basics of getting a good quality photo. It's all about fluff features and I fear that quality imaging will be going down as time goes on. Also mentioned previously, finding new SX70's out there is not easy. I got one of the last two NEW (not used/reconditioned) SX70's I could find. And for expensive stuff like this I do prefer Amazon just because returns are so easy.

So I'll likely keep the SX70 mainly because I fear that if I wait too much longer my choices will be ever worse than they are now. However, if Canon was still making new SX50's I'd jump on it in a second. It's still a better camera the the SX70. Canon really should consider bringing back the SX50 lens and attaching it too updated electronics. They'd have a perfect camera.

I know that there are still cameras by Canon out there may still may use the 50X lens that the SX50 uses but the SX5XX line lacks an EVF and I can't imagine trying to hold the camera steady in bright sunlight without the EVF. The flip out screen is not OK for holding the camera steady and in bright sunlight. And I'd have to put my reading glasses on to use it.

 

[crazyfingers]

Issues with IQ on the SX70 are more related to what appears to be focus or shake (poor IS) than noise.

 

[John In Ireland]

So it looks like the SX50 can't or isn't going to be improved on. I will hang on to mine until it actually bites the dust. Even then I would look for a second hand one. Great little camera. I have the Nikon P1000 but comes nowhere near the SX50 for image quality. I now use the P1000 for video only.

 

[Tero]

It's pretty much the same story for every camera of this size and a lens of this diameter. Pretty good pictures some 30 feet away on a sunny or half cloudy day but photos only good for ID farther away on a cloudy day. I had two cameras of this size to try, one a Nikon and the Canon. The Nikon refused to find Canada geese in flight. It worked Ok with trees behind but up in the air they never focused. Took it back hours after I picked it up at Best Buy that day.

 

[crazyfingers]

After a few weeks now experimenting, I started noticing a few things. What got me started was that when taking a photo with the SX70, the image would appear very focused in the EVF but when shown an almost instantaneous image of the photo after the shot, they almost always appeared less focused. I start to get irritated why that was happening. I also noticed that SX70 photos are a lot less noisy than the same shot taken with the SX50. To me this was a puzzle. I'd have expected that with the 22.3 MP chip on the SX70, vs the 12 MP chip in the SX50, that the SX70 would be more noisy.

This got me thinking about how the SX70 may be smoothing the JPG too much when it saves. With a cooperative bird, like a cardinal, the SX50 was frequently getting better feather detail than the SX70. So was the SX70 smoothing more aggressively?

After some searching I came to this thread at DPSreview SX70 HS - Scarce PicStyle settings, idea of Sharpness settings combined with amount of NR: Canon PowerShot Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

Specifically page 115 in the user manual on this "Customizing Colors (Style Settings)". This is all there is in the user manual. Contract, saturation or other settings. Searching the user manual for the word "sharp" or "sharpness" gets zero hits. Poor user manual. So under the pencil and S, press Info button and you can adjust the sharpness, and 3 other settings. The default sharpness is in the middle and I pushed to up to max. This can be saved under C1 or C2 along with all the other settings I use.

So outside this morning, two comparison shots of the top of a large tree with leaves and berries. Both of these images are taken with each of the camera's maximum reach and with the 2X teleconverter and then cropped to about the same area.

I took several photos with each camera and chose the best of the lot for each to attach. Most of the SX70 shots were actually better than the SX50 shots. I have not yet found a cooperative cardinal to try this on a live bird yet but the SX70 is getting improved results on other static objects like the tree leaves below. I am also really surprised that the SX70 is not noisier than the SX50.

Of course this is ideal conditions. I know that both cameras will fall down when the lighting is not perfect but that's expected.
Photos:

1. Page from the user Manual
2. SX70 photo
3. SX50 photo