call similar to a wood warbler (2 Viewers)

[Michał Jaro]

Hi, This time I only have a call - I don't know much about bird voices, this one reminds me a bit of wood warbler, but there is a difference? I am aware that this could be something common. A recording from Poland, the field environment, some trees.

 

[Deb Burhinus]

Well shoot me down if it doesn’t sound like a Bonelli’s but that would be a rare record for Poland so rather unlikely - nothing else leaps into my head at the moment.

 

[stuartelsom]

If you're listening to the short trill, it sounds very much like Red-breasted Flycatcher. I'm not hearing Wood Warbler or any other phyllosc on the recording.

Stu

 

[Deb Burhinus]

I was thinking it's a bit Greenfinch(ish) too - and can hear a Greenfinch in the background. My ears aren’t as good as they used to be and I’m finding the recording too quiet for my cheap headphones to pick up properly anyway this is a Red-breasted Flycatcher rattle/trill for you to compare

https://www.xeno-canto.org/397462

and a Greenfinch rattle/trill

https://www.xeno-canto.org/563432

and Bonelli’s rattle/trill

https://www.xeno-canto.org/560820

(the latter can likely be ruled out on range)

 

[Michał Jaro]

Thank you very much for the hints. This guided me to the answer - it will rather be greenfinch (although the sonogram does not look perfectly for it.... ).

 

[Nutcracker]

Doesn't sound like Greenfinch to me; I'm in the Red-breasted Flycatcher camp. Thinking I can hear a distant RBFly song at 19-21 sec., too. When was the recording made?

Deb's X-C RBFly link isn't the best with heavy competition from a singing Robin, here's a couple of better ones of the rattle call:
https://www.xeno-canto.org/576903
https://www.xeno-canto.org/507636

Also worth considering: [Eurasian] Wren. But it doesn't sound quite right for that.

 

[Nutcracker]

Another good example of the rattle call, very similar to yours:
https://www.xeno-canto.org/425827

 

[Deb Burhinus]

Maybe it’s my headphones but I was hearing a slightly muffled mellow harmonic trill on the OP recording - that last link sounds very harsh and clicky to my ears - (more like the tone of a wren or Robin) although I can’t hear anything now and my ears hurt as I kept setting off the piercing alarm sound in my headphones trying to play the op file at top volume :-C

Is there anyway to boost the volume of the recording or clean it up at all? Also more description of the environment and date might be helpful.

 

[Deb Burhinus]

Another good example of the rattle call, very similar to yours:
https://www.xeno-canto.org/425827

Maybe there really is something wrong with my ears because this repetitive alarm call sounds very simillar to yours - even the sonagrams look quite similar so it can’t be just my hearing

https://www.xeno-canto.org/516328

- it’s strange though but I’ve noticed in the past few years, I’m increasingly finding it difficult to recognise bird songs unless they’re right close and still struggle even then to hear very high or very low notes.

 

[CARERY]

I'm just listening via smartphone speaker and the trill just sound like a Greenfinch to me. The song in the background would be an Icterine Warbler, wouldnt it?

 

[Nutcracker]

Maybe there really is something wrong with my ears because this repetitive alarm call sounds very simillar to yours - even the sonagrams look quite similar so it can’t be just my hearing

https://www.xeno-canto.org/516328

- it’s strange though but I’ve noticed in the past few years, I’m increasingly finding it difficult to recognise bird songs unless they’re right close and still struggle even then to hear very high or very low notes.

That Bonelli's Warbler (song not alarm call!) sounds very different to me! Higher pitched and more mellifluous. Fortunately, my ears are still quite sharp; to me the OP recording is a dry rattle just mellowed a bit by distance, but otherwise very similar in tone to the X-C recordings of RBF I posted.

 

[Deb Burhinus]

...to me the OP recording is a dry rattle just mellowed a bit by distance, but otherwise very similar in tone to the X-C recordings of RBF I posted.

So you disagree with Greenfinch then? - what you describe here sounds nothing like how I’d describe a Greenfinch, yet that’s what I think it could be (as several others do)

 

[Nutcracker]

So you disagree with Greenfinch then? - what you describe here sounds nothing like how I’d describe a Greenfinch, yet that’s what I think it could be (as several others do)

Yes - too 'dry' and rattling for a Greenfinch; that has more of a 'rolled R-R-R-R' tone to me, and also usually goes on longer, often with some changes in pitch/tone 'R-R-R-R-r-r-r-r-R-R-R-R-r-r-r-r-R-R-R'.

 

[Deb Burhinus]

Yes - too 'dry' and rattling for a Greenfinch; that has more of a 'rolled R-R-R-R' tone to me, and also usually goes on longer, often with some changes in pitch/tone 'R-R-R-R-r-r-r-r-R-R-R-R-r-r-r-r-R-R-R'.

But thats the point I think - I’m not hearing the OP file as ‘dry and rattling’. that you even compared to Wren which shows how different the perceptions are here! Btw I have often heard Greenfinch ‘stuck’ in a monotonous trill to the point it becomes annoying - certainly for the length of the file recording but I can’t find the exact Greenfinch call I’m referring to on XC although this is similar as was the link I gave in post #4 above:

https://www.xeno-canto.org/534661

Btw, I do think this also sounds like R-bF as I said in Post #4 but not on the links you've posted particularly and perhaps less likely in open field habitat - I think my earlier link of R-bF sounds closer to the OP imo so it could just be a question of ambient surround sound changing tonal impressions..

 

[Nutcracker]

But thats the point I think - I’m not hearing the OP file as ‘dry and rattling’. that you even compared to Wren which shows how different the perceptions are here! Btw I have often heard Greenfinch ‘stuck’ in a monotonous trill to the point it becomes annoying - certainly for the length of the file recording but I can’t find the exact Greenfinch call I’m referring to on XC although this is similar as was the link I gave in post #4 above:

https://www.xeno-canto.org/534661

Btw, I do think this also sounds like R-bF as I said in Post #4 but not on the links you've posted particularly and perhaps less likely in open field habitat - I think my earlier link of R-bF sounds closer to the OP imo so it could just be a question of ambient surround sound changing tonal impressions..

Listened to this and the OP recording; they sound quite different to me, with the OP more dry and rattling :t:

 

[Jos Stratford]

Greenfinch camp

 

[PYRTLE]

I initially thought Greenfinch too though after several more listening and reading the comments I'm not quite as sure now. I am more inclined towards the R.B. Flycatcher scenario.

 

[jurek]

Greenfinch for me. Not the sound made flying away but more probably the shorter and quieter sound they sometimes make perching.

Wood warbler is much higher and accelerating. Bonelli is slightly higher and less sharp.

 

[SteveClifton]

Greenfinch 4me2.

 

[James Lidster]

Yes Greenfinch and Icterine warbler,
James