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Brief comparison between Zeiss 8 power binos (1 Viewer)

I'm saying this for many times.

Binoculare has Two lenses which make them BI.

so view through real bino have to be deffrent in real view.

I agree viewing bino for real is the best way to feel it.

but none of us can view EVERY bino in this planet. and there is why reviewers are for.

what I say again, is judgement using my eyes are always priority when I write my reivew like all other reviewers do.

digiscope is just a reference.
even my best shot can't show all then bino has.

but a reference is better then none with just verbal discription about how specific bino just feel good to owners eyes.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy looking at your pics, but if you keep posting the SRBC one's you're gonna get banned. To me, it's more of what your camera is capable of, not necessarily the bino/spotter.
 
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy looking at your pics, but if you keep posting the SRBC one's you're gonna get banned. To me, it's more of what your camera is capable of, not necessarily the bino/spotter.
yes Camea is very interesting machine but in terms of bino, eyes are more important because bino is not made to taking photo.

that's why curved bino such as UV and FL have fans :)

at my former review comparison of Razor uhd and ht, ht's digi result seem much inferior because of distoetion and edge blur but I post that I prefer HT overall

beside, I'm curious of meopta scope since I hardly heard one using in Korea.
I heard it's CA control can be completeable with Kowa

+ I Really can be banned with SRBC? I'm planning to post result comparing 12x50 SRBC and 12x42 NL which I already done in Korean forum
 
Scope os always tripod mounted.phone is always hand held. bino is always hand held
(can be leaned against the tree when birding and always fix my other body except my right hands which taking photo when I take photo for review)

the binoscope I put above is all non leaned total hand helded

I have mounted my bino and use adapter but I came back to original way immediately I saw the result.

for the last question, I'll keep posting bino's name right ABOVE the photo.


+ plus the reason how.....hmm

maybe having done service in Korean militery special force? 😆
Thanks. To be clear the bino is hand held AND the camera is hand held... at the same time?

Ive been completely unsuccessful trying to get a decent pic through my scope (Opticron MM4 77) with hand held Camera (Iphone 14Pro), so I have no idea how you can do this!

Got a friend who can take a picture of you doing it? That would be cool.
 
Thanks. To be clear the bino is hand held AND the camera is hand held... at the same time?

Ive been completely unsuccessful trying to get a decent pic through my scope (Opticron MM4 77) with hand held Camera (Iphone 14Pro), so I have no idea how you can do this!

Got a friend who can take a picture of you doing it? That would be cool.
yes that is clear

only thing not hand held is scope

this is my hand held 85mm ATX leaning against the car windowsill I managed to get photo but quality doesn't fit my satisfaction
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for me to get clear.

you have your MM4 mounted in tripod and then take photo with hand held camera?

if I'm with you I could be help because I have taught some Korean birders how to digiscope with bino and scopes
 
The longer this thread goes on, the less I am able to follow it.

I’m no longer even sure what the point was.
yeah it is not brief anymore....

the point is just to give my best to at least briefly describe the characteristics of bino produced under same brand...

many Zeiss post not only posted my be but also other members have been similar... it is something to do with specific brand or it just a coincidence...
 
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I agree viewing bino for real is the best way to feel it.

but none of us can view EVERY bino in this planet. and there is why reviewers are for.

what I say again, is judgement using my eyes are always priority when I write my reivew like all other reviewers do.
For me the key points are in this quote. I think everyone agrees it's always considerably better to try binoculars in real-life. However if you can't do that then reviews can be useful or simply interesting.

Jackjack is a reviewer, just the same as others on this site. He just happens to include a lot of pictures in his reviews which some, including me, find helpful. Some of them, eg one he did on different FOV for Swaro models, really chime with my own experiences of those binoculars.

I don't think his views should necessarily be given extra weight over others but then nor do I think they should be dismissed. As Rg548 said, it would be a sparse forum without such input.
 
yes that is clear

only thing not hand held is scope

this is my hand held 85mm ATX leaning against the car windowsill I managed to get photo but quality doesn't fit my satisfaction
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for me to get clear.

you have your MM4 mounted in tripod and then take photo with hand held camera?

if I'm with you I could be help because I have taught some Korean birders how to digiscope with bino and scopes
Yes, scope on tripod. Lemme contact you via PM as this may be a bit off the mark for others here
 
All other difficulties aside, if there is not a reproducible way of ensuring that the optic and the camera are coaxial, I’m not sure what is being accomplished.

It seems to me that is an absolute minimum requirement.
 
For me the key points are in this quote. I think everyone agrees it's always considerably better to try binoculars in real-life. However if you can't do that then reviews can be useful or simply interesting.

Jackjack is a reviewer, just the same as others on this site. He just happens to include a lot of pictures in his reviews which some, including me, find helpful. Some of them, eg one he did on different FOV for Swaro models, really chime with my own experiences of those binoculars.

I don't think his views should necessarily be given extra weight over others but then nor do I think they should be dismissed. As Rg548 said, it would be a sparse forum without such input.
reason of why I post these posts in this forum which in totally diffrent time line (It past 1am in here) using foreign language in small smartphone keyboard

the main reason

wanted to share my feel against several bino.

because I love comparing bino and recording what is it's strength and weakness and how it prefroms at it's price point

also curious about other nation people thinks against my reviews


the sub reason

to study to write in English 😀

if fact I learned many words, rhymes and phrases while writing post and chatting with members in this forum

besides, what is the meaning of chime? I searched it only to get wrong answers...
 
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Possibly a tad harsh.... I agree they might not convey accurately, but JackJack puts a lot of time and effort to this forum, which I think needs to be recognised.
Without such input it would be a sparse forum.
Criticism of experimental methods is not a personal attack.

Let's not act as if it is.
 
I appreciate the comparisons and I am curious to read the SRBC vs NL Pure. But I am still not convinced about the digiscoping used to reach conclusions about sharpness. Like Maljunulo said, how do you make sure the camera is properly aligned with the optical axis? and not tilted?
Furthermore, what about the autofocus? if the subject is at the center and the autofocus picked up something else, it can look slightly blurred.

Another thing: what is the resolution of the camera? I know my phone has a high resolution camera, but still can't reach my eyesight resolution and the binocular can easily resolve smaller details that I can only see with a booster. Apart from the resolution, you might have digital compression artefacts that could blur out the image.

Try seeing the USAF pattern with a bino + a booster, and then digiscope it without the booster to see if the camera really resolves the smallest details.
 

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