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Binoculars - Hiking / mountains (3 Viewers)

Wynouu

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France
Hello !

I am looking for my first pair of binoculars and I hesitate between two models.

I think I need a pair of versatile binoculars as I will mainly be using them in the mountains (on hikes and mountaineering ascents) for animal observation (mainly in the Alps and Pyrenees since I live in France). I will also use them in static mode during breaks or during bivouac but the weight will have to remain contained.

I spotted two Swarovski models, the CL Pocket 8x25 and the CL Companion 8x30 B. They will therefore have a difference in brightness but will it be so obvious and above all will this difference in brightness be worth the difference in weight (150 g.). With the Companion, I'm afraid to use them less because they're less easy to carry (bigger pouch and I don't know if I can attach the pouch to the belt, seems better with the CL Pocket).

Do you have any advice based on your experience?

Many thanks !
 
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Two great choices of binoculars. I expect you have spent lots of time deciding which pair of binoculars you want to own. Expect other people to tell you about their favourites.

I am a great fan of Swarovski binoculars but I don’t know anything about either of those binoculars but agree that the 8x30 will gather more light.

In my humble opinion it would be best to carry them ready to use rather than in a pouch and avoid the chance to miss interesting birds (and other wildlife).

I have no real experience with carrying binoculars using a harness but my partner recently bought a harness to use with her Zeiss 8x32 binoculars. This would keep the binoculars close to your body.


I am unsure where you would be able to buy the harness in France (Amazon ?)
 
I'd go for the habicht 7x42 ga. It's the best one I've ever used when hiking, light, tough, reliable, great depth of field, brightness and ease of use if you don't wear glasses.... Sadly I've had to move them on as financial resources are very much not infinite and I wanted a better all rounder for my main optic but in the wilds they are very tough to beat.
 
I have struggled with same question for many years. In some settings, where every gram counts (e.g. at altitude in mountains or on technical terrain), there is no option (for me) other than true pocketable binos. I own Trinovid 8x20 BCA's and they do the trick, but the view is of course fiddly. For a more general-use application, we recently purchased 8x30HG and found them to be superb in every way, plus they are very light and 'small enough'. In anticipation to a trip to Nepal/Bhutan, I then purchased the new 8x40SFL's and they are also superb, tho a little heavier and more importantly, larger. The size does sometimes matter, such as when I'm packing a modest rucksack/daypack and space is at a premium (made worse by fact that I also often carry camera gear for birding/nature/scenery).
I think the crux question is to define how small you really insist on. Some of the other 'pocket' binos are said to be excellent, but I doubt you'll find anyone that honestly proposes a 20/21/25 bino can equal a 30/32, at least in terms of ease-of-view.
 
...the CL Pocket 8x25 and the CL Companion 8x30 B. They will therefore have a difference in brightness but will it be so obvious and above all will this difference in brightness be worth the difference in weight...

I doubt it. The Companion x30 B is not a terribly bright binocular and is considerably more bulky in your context.

The Zeiss Victory Pocket is optically astounding: considerably better than either Swarovski mentioned. It's also very portable.
 
In addtion to my post 7: light transmission of the first 8x30 Companion and of the newer model is both more than 90% over a broad wavelenght range and color reproduction is excellent, so both are ,as far as I am concerned, a much more attractive choice compared with an 8x25.
Test reports of all models can be found on the WEB-site of House of Outdoor.
Gijs van Ginkel
 
I have / have had (at the same time) a CL Pocket and CL Companion. The difference in the 'brightness' at all light levels (in real-world observations) was, to me, negligible. Additionally my Monarch HG x 30 always appeared brighter than my CL Companion.

The opening poster asked whether the difference in brightness would be worth the trade off against weight. It was also clear that bulk might be an issue. Given the expressed intended usage, I personally don't think brightness - v - weight / bulk trade off would be worth it.

Others are, of course, free to conclude otherwise.
 
The problem with transmission figure is like saying a full bowl of food is enough. But, how deep was the bowl? (sorry I just had lunch so this was a natural comparison)

Wider FOV is the deeper bowl here, all else being equal. And I agree the HG is a pretty deep bowl, especially for its size and weight.
 
Can‘t really help with comparing the two models you mentioned but I would recommend to decide based what you are doing more often: hiking or mountaineering.

For hiking I wouldnot mind a little more bulk and weight as long if it‘s mainly for day trips or if you are staying in mountain huts. I would recommend a harness though. If you are doing longer hiking trips and carrying a tent and food for multiple days I would go for the lighter and smaller binoculars as a 100 grams here and there add up quite quickly.

If the focus is more on mountaineering where you are already carrying a lot of heavy additional stuff (rope, harness, ice axe, crampons, etc.) I would definitely go for the lighter and smaller ones. I think bulk is something important to consider as you will probably need to pack the binoculars in the backpack a lot of times as you wouldn’t want to have them dangling in front of your chest on steep snowy ascents, traverses etc. If they get tangled up with the rope or you suddenly need to use the ice axe and the binos are across your chest it will get dangerous.
 
I regularly take binoculars on hikes (even some light climbing that includes using the hands) and I've tried several models. I remember how sadly I discovered that my Zeiss Conquest HD 8x42 (my first quality binoculas) were not going to serve my purposes, so I moved to lower size and weight (which usually involves objective diameter). So, faced with the 20 vs 25 vs 30-32 mm I have several considerations. This is my personal experience:
- Pouch/case on the belt. I use this very often. I can carry the case on the belt or else, even better for less clutter, carry it on the backpack "belt strap". For this, you need a combination of backpack-binocular case that allows this. For example, I have a 55 L Vaude backpack where the belt strap is just too thick, but both my 42 L and 24 L Vaude backpacks can carry my favourite case, the one that came with the 8x30 Nikon Monarch 7. So that's a thing to check and consider when it comes to portability. Carrying the binoculars like this, allow to keep the binocular strap away (you can carry it just in case, hidden inside the backpack), but I find it very fast and convenient to grab the binoculars from the case without the strap tangling.

- Binoculars attached to the backpack. I have started to use this method this year and can't be happier. I also go mainly to the Pyrenees, Spanish side. And this Summer I used this system successfully even on +3000 m high mountains that required some climbing. No issue, you can either tighten the straps so the binoculars don´t hang too loose, or else simply un-click them so they are not in the way.

backpackbino01-jpeg.1464095


You can check more details about it here:

Then, when it comes to what optics I personally find are the best compromise; well, you just have to check the image above.
To me, 8x20 or 8x25 (especially those with double hinge) have many compromises. The view is more fiddly, partly due to the smaller exit pupil, partly due to the smaller size (that makes grabbing not as ideal; I have average middle size hands) and especially for one reason. When I'm hiking on the Pyrenees I'm on the move (many times going up) which means my heart rate is higher than when I'm in an observatory. So ease of view is crucial, and that's where small 20-25 mm double hinge designs simply don't do it for me (other's may disagree, of course). I've found that I can carry the 450 g Opticron Traveller ED 8x32 (or a similar Nikon Monarch 7 8x30 at 435 g) and simply not notice the binoculars are there at all, even if walking for 8 hours a day. But if I try this with a double hinge 8x20 or 8x25, the view is really compromised. I get a lot of shake, unstable view and vibration that finally ruin the view. Not to mention that the two binos I've mentioned have a huge +8º FOV, which will make finding a lammergeier in the sky way or an "isard" in the middle of the snow way easier, while most pocket binoculars have way narrower FOV. Do check on that.

So, my choice is a sub 450 g 8x32 with a minimum of 8º FOV carried whether on a case on the belt or else attached to the backpack as shown.

One last word about materials. You already know that hiking on the mountains can put a pari of binoculars through a really strenuous test: but think about how possible it is for them to get scratched against a rock (they will) or banged agains the floor while you're doing something else. So my recommendation would be to go for ones with a rubber armour that covers the maximum amount of area.

Sorry, I feel I didn't answer your question. I had the Swarovski 8x30 CL Companion and rate them highly. Maybe they're a little too tall for the format, but they're a great compact. I found they had a little too much chromatic aberration for the price, but the view has really nice, with a lot of "pop", the view was rich and full of contrast. For me the deal breaker were the eyecups, too narrow for me (I struggle with narrow eyecups; again, ease of view/comfort is paramount). However, light and small as they are, I think I'll look for something a bit lighter and more compact (Nikon M7 or MHG, Opticron Traveller, Kite Lynx, etc.).

I have not tried the 8x25 Pocket (I had the 8x20 and, although the image were great, I wouldn't want to carry them as my only device for a trip where I might spot some relevant birds; too compromised). If possible, do try single and double hinge designs and see how they work for you.
 
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Hi

I've been enjoying binoculars on mountain hikes for a couple decades now.
I can say the sweet spot for me is 8x30 which can provide decent views while keeping weight at one pound.
Lighter than this, 8x20 or 8x25 makes viewing too difficult in my opinion - small exit pupil causes frequent blackouts if eye placement is not perfectly right, and small aperture makes viewing too dark too soon. FOV is narrower, too. 6x/7x would be better suited to small aperture but little choice available and towards 6x magnification is a bit lacking.
Higher magnification causes image shake all the more when you're in the middle of a steep climb and already struggling to breathe. Higher aperture causes the weight to increase to 1.5-2 pounds so you have to trade extra low-light performance against mass so it is best left to less demanding hikes. Many choices available in 8x40 or 10x40 which is what most birders use.
So keep coming back to the lightweight 8x30/32 which can be had at one pound with decent FOV (8.5°), decent build quality, sometimes even waterproofness, and maybe moderate price if you're willing to make compromises.

Cheers,
zp*
 
If you want to use the binoculars in a belt-pack, the 8x25 will be best. I recently visited the local store and compared the Curio, 8x25 CL, 8x30 CL, and Monarch 8x30 HG. I also feel like the 25mm folding ones are somewhat difficult to use. If I was keeping the weight down for backpacking and only needed binoculars for emergency use or occasional reconnaissance I might get the 25mm.

The Monarch 8x30's seemed like the best compromise of size and performance to me. I noticed quite a bit of false color in the 8x30 CL that I would not like in a bright alpine environment. The Monarch 8x30 weren't perfect but they had better color correction. The CL's were easier to handle and focus, the closest one to a full-size bino.
 
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Hello !

I am looking for my first pair of binoculars and I hesitate between two models.

I think I need a pair of versatile binoculars as I will mainly be using them in the mountains (on hikes and mountaineering ascents) for animal observation (mainly in the Alps and Pyrenees since I live in France). I will also use them in static mode during breaks or during bivouac but the weight will have to remain contained.

I spotted two Swarovski models, the CL Pocket 8x25 and the CL Companion 8x30 B. They will therefore have a difference in brightness but will it be so obvious and above all will this difference in brightness be worth the difference in weight (150 g.). With the Companion, I'm afraid to use them less because they're less easy to carry (bigger pouch and I don't know if I can attach the pouch to the belt, seems better with the CL Pocket).

Do you have any advice based on your experience?

Many thanks !

Given your intended use, I agree with others who advise that if possible you try and compare an 8x30 model with an 8x25 and even an 8x20. That's the only way you will know for sure which size/model will be of most use to you. Unless you decide on a 20 mm I would strongly agree with the recommendation to get the Rick Young harness which IMO is great for hiking, biking & mountain climbing.

Based on my experience and personal preferences, the Curio 7x21 is the most capable of the smaller 20 mm class binos, although the UV 8x20 is also excellent. In 25 mm I much prefer the Zeiss VP as it has a larger FoV than the CL 8x25 and I like the handling better. The CL B 8x30 is brighter than any of these but whether that will be worth the extra size and weight to you we cannot predict.

Please let us know how it goes and good luck with your search.

Mike
 
Thinking of hiking and mountainous terrain I can’t help but think of the Ultravid 8x20, or better yet for most users, the tiny but effortless Curio 7x21.

I own both and always have the Ultravid with me, even though the Curio is easier when it comes to eye alignment, and the extra .5 mm exit helps both in that regard and in additional light transmission as dusk approaches.

They’re both just about as small as you can get, but with both options having been designed as full-on alpha models, they give up as little as possible while still remaining ultimately pocketable.
 
There are several binoculars that will fit the bill. For hardcore hiking I'm thinking the CL 8X30 which I have the last two models, is going to be a little large/bulky. I don't have the Swarovski CL Pocket and I'm sure it would be fine. But I DO have the Zeiss Victory Pocket 8X25 and I believe it will be hard to beat. Below is a good picture showing the Zeiss Victory Pocket right next to the Swarovski CL B 8X30. The other two binoculars are two different 8X30 Nikon models.
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I will use all four of my binoculars, depending on the nature of the trip!

There are two extreme situations:
1. When I know for sure that I will be looking through the binoculars all the time, then on that trip I will take the Zeiss SF 10x42. Even if it has a large volume, it is worth taking when the main purpose of the trip is to look through binoculars.
Zeiss SF 10x42.jpg


2. If I know for sure that I will look through the binoculars less, very rarely, then I will take the Leica Trinovid BCA 8x20. It can stay in the backpack without noticing its presence for months, it is so small.
Trinovid 8x20.jpg


For situations in which I do not know for sure in advance how much I will use the binoculars (these situations are the most common) I have two different choices, depending on hike condition or luggage organization:
3. I choose a small volume bino: Nikon HG 8x30. It is my best performing/cm3 binoculars!
MHG 8x30.jpg


4. I choose a larger volume binos: Swarovski Habicht 7x42. I choose it when I take relaxing walks, and I'm in that mood when I have nostalgia for classic things (Backpack, pullover or vintage binoculars) :)
Habicht 7x42.jpg


So the answer is not unique, because in reality we make decisions depending on the planning and typology of the trip, but also on the different mood which we find ourselves.
Here are some possible planning examples:
If I go to the Himalayas (I speak only hypothetically) I choose Nikon HG 8x30. Because it is compact, resistant and has sufficient optical performance.
If I go for a short one hour/two hour walk with the dog, then I choose the Leica Trinovid 8x20 because I can put it on my belt like a pack of cigarettes.
If I go very early in the morning with the camera to take pictures of wild animals, especially from a fixed point, then I will choose the Zeiss SF 10x42 because it is the best optical performance, the most comfortable and the most immersive of my binoculars.
If I go with the tent to spend the night and relax in the forest, then sometimes I would take Porro Habicht 7x42 with me. This mixture between old, classic mechanics and the light transmission of glass and top treatments is a beauty in itself.
 
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