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Binocular recommendations for wet conditions (1 Viewer)

Deak

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Hey folks, hope you're having a good day. 👋

I've been reading so many interesting threads on binocular recommendations. I was was hoping you might be able to give me a steer in the right direction.

My home patch is the Cairngorms (with regular jaunts further north into the Highlands), where I hike and wild camp. I often see raptors and I'm in the market for some binoculars to enjoy these birds properly. I also see a lot of deer, which, though they're a major issue for the land, are quite beautiful.

It seems like most binoculars are waterproof to some degree, but are there any technologies or materials I should be looking out for? I see retailers listing binoculars as waterproof, nitrogen purged, etc, but it seems IPX ratings aren't commonly listed. My experience of the Highlands is that the weather can test most gear to the extreme. Hence, I'm a bit wary.

If folks have experience of binoculars with really solid weatherproof quality and manufacturers who stand by their products, I'd love some recommendations.

Some other parameters:
  • I don't want pocket-sized binoculars, but something I can easily include in my kit.
  • As my hikes can be long, I will only take one pair of binoculars. The spec will obviously need to be a compromise or occupy some middle ground.
  • I often wear glasses, which might be an issue.
  • I strongly prefer build quality and "feel" over chasing an optimal specification.
  • I value manufacturers who stand by their products, including servicing, repairs, support, etc. I like my gear to last.
  • Budget up to about £1000.
Thanks,

Deak
 
Anything which is advertised as waterproof, nitrogen purged is waterproof, and you won't have to worry about it. Just shake the water off.

Most contemporary roof-prism binoculars are purged and sealed, and have water repellent coatings on lenses that face the world.

Using Binoculars in the pouring rain is a bit of a challenge, if you aren't under some kind of cover.

Oh, and let me be the first to say Welcome.
 
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I wish I were in the Highlands now...

For daytime use (even gloomy days in the Highlands) I'd go for a quality pair of 8x32s.

There are good optics shops in the UK that sell used binoculars like Leica Ultravid (eye relief can be a problem with glasses) or Zeiss Victory FL. Both are small and proven tools and are certainly worth a look. I know both binoculars very well. Both companies stand by their products and offer good service.

Buying new, a Zeiss Conquest HD may be a good choice or the Leica Trinovid HD. I must admit, that I have never used either of these but they seem to receive much praise.

At any rate, I would make sure that chromatic aberration is not an issue with you and whatever binoculars you will buy because the joy of watching raptors can easily be spoilt by purple fringing.

I guess you will get a lot of different recommendations.

Edit: I don't wear glasses. Take that into account.
 
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Hey folks, hope you're having a good day. 👋

I've been reading so many interesting threads on binocular recommendations. I was was hoping you might be able to give me a steer in the right direction.

My home patch is the Cairngorms (with regular jaunts further north into the Highlands), where I hike and wild camp. I often see raptors and I'm in the market for some binoculars to enjoy these birds properly. I also see a lot of deer, which, though they're a major issue for the land, are quite beautiful.

It seems like most binoculars are waterproof to some degree, but are there any technologies or materials I should be looking out for? I see retailers listing binoculars as waterproof, nitrogen purged, etc, but it seems IPX ratings aren't commonly listed. My experience of the Highlands is that the weather can test most gear to the extreme. Hence, I'm a bit wary.

If folks have experience of binoculars with really solid weatherproof quality and manufacturers who stand by their products, I'd love some recommendations.

Some other parameters:
  • I don't want pocket-sized binoculars, but something I can easily include in my kit.
  • As my hikes can be long, I will only take one pair of binoculars. The spec will obviously need to be a compromise or occupy some middle ground.
  • I often wear glasses, which might be an issue.
  • I strongly prefer build quality and "feel" over chasing an optimal specification.
  • I value manufacturers who stand by their products, including servicing, repairs, support, etc. I like my gear to last.
  • Budget up to about £1000.
Thanks,

Deak
Deak,

While chasing specs can be a waste, given your intended use and gear load, you might productively narrow your initial list of candidates to try by considering size, weight and FOV specs. Sounds like a small 30/32mm would best suit your purposes. Based on input in the forum and my own limited experience watching raptors in open spaces at longer ranges, I recommend you consider and try both 8 and 10x. The 10 will bring you closer and the 8 (assuming as generally they have a larger FOV) will make it easy to keep track of swiftly moving birds.

Again based on reviews and input elsewhere in the forum, good candidates include the Zeiss SFL models and Nikon Monarch M7 or HG series. With the SFL you might even be able to accommodate a 40mm version. Opticron may have something to fit the bill as well, IME they offer good performance and solid construction for the price.

Good luck with the Quest.

Mike
 
If you can spend £1000, do so.

Think about used (from a reputable source, with return privileges) if possible. You will get a better glass for the same money.

Do try and go somewhere which will allow you to see and handle various examples. Reading spec sheets has very little value, compared to the real experience.

No spec sheet can ever tell what you will see, how the glass will fit your face and eye sockets, or feel in your hands.

Happy hunting.
 
There are so many fabulous bino's out there, the last of the Zeiss Conquest HD 8x32's would be perfect and they are around the £600ish mark. Or the Leica Trinovid HD 8x32, just gorgeous.

But, and this is a bit out of the box and only because I do have these and they are just lovely to use and hold...... the Swarovski Habicht 7x42.

Light, waterproof, beautifully made and optically superb. Not everyones cup of tea, but the view is sublime.


I have bought off Nature Quest in the past and their descriptions are spot on.

Good luck on your search, there will be loads of suggestions but FFordes are good people to deal with and are reasonably local.
 
There are so many fabulous bino's out there, the last of the Zeiss Conquest HD 8x32's would be perfect and they are around the £600ish mark. Or the Leica Trinovid HD 8x32, just gorgeous.

But, and this is a bit out of the box and only because I do have these and they are just lovely to use and hold...... the Swarovski Habicht 7x42.

Light, waterproof, beautifully made and optically superb. Not everyones cup of tea, but the view is sublime.


I have bought off Nature Quest in the past and their descriptions are spot on.

Good luck on your search, there will be loads of suggestions but FFordes are good people to deal with and are reasonably local.
I found this by Hermann.

Jul 7, 2014
Over the years the Swarovski Habicht has received quite a lot of attention on this forum, even though it is in several ways one of the most old-fashioned binoculars on the market nowadays: It is one of the few remaining porros made by one of the major manufacturers now that Nikon has finally decided to stop production of the Nikon SE and Zeiss the production of the 7x50 BGAT*, and its basic design hasn’t changed for some 60 years. It does not have most of the features many people take for granted nowadays like internal focusing and close focus, it only has simple fold-down eyecups and is not really suitable for eyeglass wearers.

Of the different Habicht models still in production the 8x30 has received by far the most attention here. There are several threads about this model, including some detailed reviews:

Swarovski Habicht 8x30 w Review, comparison with Minox BV 8x42 BR (Giorgio, 8x30)
Nikon 8x32 SE review - vs. Habicht and Swarovision (Tobias Mennle, 8x30)
Current Classic "Old School" vs. Current State of the Art "New School"- Habicht vs SV (stephen b, 8x30)

These threads are all well worth reading for anyone who is interested in the basic properties of the Habicht series, including some high quality photos of the Habicht 8x30 in Stephen B's review.

By comparison, the Habicht 10x40 and the 7x42 have received far less attention here. There are several posts on the performance of the 10x40, especially those by PHA, and the 7x42, mainly those by Mallot, and a review by mikeymo:


There are also a few reviews on the web, for instance by Allbinos (10x40), Binomania (7x42), Kikkertspesialisten (7x42, 10x40) and Holger Merlitz (7x42) as well as a detailed review of the 7x42 on the German forum.

I have been interested in the Habicht series for well over 25 years now, as I generally prefer porros over roofs. In the 1980s I came close to buying a Habicht 10x40, but I could not cope with the yellowish tinge of the image. So, after reading some of the reviews here, especially Stephen B's, and the astonishing transmission figures Gijs van Ginkel found for the Habicht porros, I finally decided to get a Habicht myself to see what it is like in the field. After some thoughts I settled for the 7x42 rather than 8x30 or the 10x40, despite its small AFOV.

Why the 7x42? Mainly because I do not own a lightweight binocular with large exit pupils, so the Habicht actually fills a gap. In addition, the focusing of the Habicht porros is quite stiff due to them being sealed, so the 7x42 with its greater depth of field is somewhat easier to handle than the 8x30 and especially the 10x40. And while the 10x40 and especially the 8x30 have some problems when viewing against the light and/or with veiling glare, the 7x42 does not (cf. eg Holger Merlitz review: Review: 7x42 Swarovski Habicht vs. 7x42 Zeiss B/GA Dialyt vs. 8x42 Docter B/CF). Ghosting and veiling glare are among my pet peeves and I have a very strong dislike of veiling glare in particular, so the 7x42 seemed more suitable to my requirements than either the 8x30 and the 10x40. It also has slightly more eye relief, a point I will come back to later.

My 7x42 is from November 2012, so it is quite recent and has (probably) up-to-date coatings. So far I have used it for some 80 hours in the field in different weather conditions, both during the day and in low light. I have also done some comparisons with a Nikon 8x32 SE (serial number 550xxx) I will refer to when looking at the optical quality. Even though the binoculars are not strictly comparable because of the smaller objectives and the higher magnification of the Nikon, it is a binocular many people here will know, so it can serve as a reference point.

Optical quality
The Habicht has got excellent image quality. The resolution on axis is about as good as it gets. To my eyes I would say it is even better than the Nikon SE, with even more fine detail, for instance in the plumage of Reed Buntings viewed at a range of about 20-30m. That is no mean feat, considering the optical quality of the Nikon SE. The Nikon is sharp and the Habicht is tack sharp. Even when used with the Zeiss 3x12 tripler the image looks pretty good, although I did not do any formal resolution tests. The sweetspot is sufficiently large; I estimate about 75-80% of the image is sharp, with a soft transition towards the edge. The Nikon is of course better here, as the the Habicht does not have field flatteners. CA is no problem at all, at least I couldn’t see any, but I am perhaps not the best person to judge this as I am not very susceptible to CA at all. The 3D effect is of course pronounced and one of the nice features of this binocular.

Transmission and contrast are also excellent, with no colour cast whatsoever. In fact, when I first compared the Habicht to the Nikon SE, I was almost disappointed with the view because the image looked almost flat compared to the Nikon with its reddish colour cast. Once I got used to the Habicht, however, I found I could perceive small differences in plumage coloration more easily through the Habicht. Of course the higher transmission of the Habicht that is obvious even in bright daylight also helps. The image is extremely bright with very high contrast and no colour cast whatsoever; it looks absolutely neutral. In fact, the difference compared to the Nikon SE is so obvious the Nikon SE’s image looks almost “mushy” in a direct comparison. That is something I never thought I would have to say about the Nikon SE. In low light and at night the Habicht also obviously works very well with its high transmission.

Ghosting, stray light and veiling glare: The Nikon SE is already very good as many here will know from personal experience, especially compared to most roofs, but the Habicht is even better. I could not see any veiling glare, not even on bright, overcast days, and bright lights at night did not cause any ghosts. There are obviously also no spikes caused by the prisms, something I find highly distracting with many roof prism binoculars. The only stray light I found was when viewing against the sun at sunset, with the light coming from the side.

The field of view is at 114m/1000m small, very small in fact, especially if you compare it to, for instance, the well-known Zeiss 7x42 BGAT*P with its field of view of 150m/1000m. An apparent field of view of ~46 degrees is not really a lot, and as a result the view “feels” tunnel-like. There is no denying that, the view through the Nikon SE feels better, even though it is not a “real” wide-angle binocular. Even a standard 7x50 with a field of 130m/1000m does not feel as claustrophobic as the Habicht. However, 114m/1000m is still about the same as a standard 10x42 binocular and wider than most compacts. I will come back to that later in the conclusion.

Ergonomics and handling
The Habicht basically handles just like any medium-sized porro. I have got fairly small hands for a man, and the Habicht just feels right in my hands. One of its great advantages is its weight, at 620gr (!) it is quite a lot lighter than virtually all the other 42mm binoculars on the market.

The Habicht has got some peculiarities though: The focusing is, like others have said before, pretty stiff (but in my opinion not too bad). It is very precise with no play at all, as might be expected from a simple focuser. The Nikon with its smooth focuser is, however, better. That is presumably the price one has to pay for the waterproofing. Still, I find I can focus the Habicht quite easily, even though the focusing may be a problem in winter. I may have to use two fingers then (right index finger and left thumb work quite well for me). The focus wheel has markings, a nice feature in my opinion because it is easy to set the binocular to infinity.

The eyecups are small and perhaps a bit too short, I would prefer them to be about 2mm longer. In an ideal world Swarovski would offer three different sets of eyecups for the 7x42: One for spectacle wearers, one like the current eyecups, and one that is slightly longer. The slightly greater eye-relief compared to the 8x30 and the 10x40 (14mm vs. 12mm) surprisingly makes a difference – with the 8x30 I find I soil the lenses with my eyelashes quite easily, with the 7x42 that is much less of a problem.

Conclusion
The Habicht is an interesting binocular with excellent optical quality and several quirks. It is certainly not a binocular for everyone, and there are definitely quite a few binoculars that are better for birding overall for most people. I was initially mainly worried about the AFOV, and in the field I still often wish it were wider, but the small AFOV is probably the price one has to pay for the low weight and maybe also the optical quality of Habicht. However, after a few hours in the field I found the small field of view was something I can live with. Yes, it does feel narrow, but because I am used to 10x42s with a field of view of 110m/1000m I do not lose any field of view.

To me it looks as though Swarovski originally designed this binocular to have a very high optical quality in all sorts of lighting conditions by keeping the construction as simple as possible (the eyepieces are reversed Kellners with just three elements) and minimizing problems with stray light by limiting the field of view. They certainly succeeded in doing so.

So, if you cannot cope with a smallish, almost tunnel-like AFOV, a binocular without close focusing or a somewhat stiff focuser, if you wear glasses or just do not like the handling of porros, the Habicht is definitely not for you.

If, however, you want excellent optical performance in a lightweight package and at a price well below that of top roofs, the Habicht 7x42 is a binocular you might want to have a look at.

Hermann
 
Just to add a datapoint, and reveal personal bias …..

In June of this year, after years of reading about them, I bought a Habicht 8X30W. I am completely smitten by it, and it is my primary binocular.

Yes, the focus is stiff, but since I sit on a third-floor balcony, overlooking a small grassy field, and trees on two sides, I have just set it on infinity, and don’t fool with the focus. Obviously, if you will be chasing warblers flitting through trees and bushes, the Habicht is probably not for you.

I see a lot of “texture” and subtle coloration in things like tree bark, lichens growing on trees, and bleached dead limbs. These are things that better optics seem to show.

That’s enough, since you may not even be interested in the Habicht.

Addendum: The 8X30W is the only Habicht with which I have any experience.

Again, Good Luck
 
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My first thought would be to echo the suggestion of the Zeiss Conquest HD/X in either 8x32 or 10x32. They're robust, lighter than a 42mm, covered by a decent warranty, and have a wide field of view that makes picking up your target much easier in wide expanses of sky or moor. That said I've done lots of walking up there with a Swarovski 8x25 Pocket CL and wasn't disappointed with the views I had of golden eagles and an osprey.

EDITED TO ADD: If you can stretch your budget a bit then have a look at the Zeiss SFL 8x40. It's imperceptibly heavier than the Conquest 8x32 but you get much more aperture / bigger exit pupil.

Like others, I'd strongly suggest you try before you buy. If you want to try other brands then in the vaguely local area I believe Braemar Mountain Sports stock Opticron and (from memory) MacNab in Ballater stock Vortex (very friendly old school shop).
 
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Wow, thanks so much for all the thoughtful responses!

It looks like I have some more research to do, including some absolute curveballs you've thrown at me. Thanks all, I'll be heading into Edinburgh at the weekend to test out some of your suggestions. I'll report back on my decision (or further confusion).

Cheers,

Deak
 
Being no stranger to an optimal (single solution) requirement posed by the wide-open vistas of northern Scotland, I would personally urge you to consider at least 10x magnification.

Considering your other requirements, objectives of 30/32 would seem to be highly appropriate.

At (indeed below) your price point, I doubt you'd ever regret the purchase of a Nikon Monarch HG 10x30.

This bin would seem to tick all of your boxes and is highly 'useable' given your demands, but do check the eye-relief would suit your own personal glasses scenario.

Red deer are only a 'problem' because of our own species' interference with, and arrogant subjugation of, natural ecosystems. I too enjoy watching them.

I wish you well on your quest.
 
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Red deer are only a 'problem' because of our own species' interference with, and arrogant subjugation of, natural ecosystems. I too enjoy watching them.

Absolutely; their impact on the Highlands is our fault.

I hadn't mentioned a magnification or any spec in my original post, but it's been interesting to see a consensus around 8x. I presume because of size of weight, but, at least with the Monarchs (M7, M7+, and HG) there's nothing in it. I don't know if FOV is important to me, but that does seem to be a spec difference.

 
A 10X30/32 has a 3 mm (ish) exit pupil and some find that it makes the binocular too "fussy" about eye placement, so check this while you are trying out different ones.

Magnification brings its own problems with it.

There will always be birds which are too far away, too small, in bad light, behind something, facing the wrong way, and so on.

I just look for a another bird or something completely different. You can always keep watching, and you may get lucky, and the bird may turn around, move closer, into better light, or out from behind whatever was hiding it.
 
A quick comment on the recommendations of a Habicht: One point to bear in mind is that all models of the Habicht aren't really ideal for spectacle wearers. The 7x42 works for some spectacle wearers, the 8x30 and the 10x40 are difficult for most. The 7x42 works for me, but only just. The 10x40 that I also have doesn't really. And for the intended purpose (watching raptors) I wouldn't get the 7x42, the field of view is just too narrow.

That's why I'd definitely go for a smallish, tough binocular, and the Zeiss Conquest 8x32 HD (if you can still get one - get it!) or the HDX. I think they're a good fit - very good optics, proven quality, water proof, a manufacturers that stands by their product. And small enough for hiking in the highlands.

Hermann
 
I hadn't mentioned a magnification or any spec in my original post, but it's been interesting to see a consensus around 8x. I presume because of size of weight, but, at least with the Monarchs (M7, M7+, and HG) there's nothing in it. I don't know if FOV is important to me, but that does seem to be a spec difference.
The main reason why I recommended 8x32s is the size of the exit pupil. 3.2mm or even 3mm exit pupils may be just a tad too dim. To my liking anyway. The Scottish Highlands are not California, are they?

10x42s are bigger and heavier than 8x32s and have a narrower field of view. I wouldn't mind the shallower DOF for your intended use. Leica offer fairly lightweight and compact 10x42s but they suffer from CA more than other options. That is not good for watching dark birds against the sky and probably due to their compactness. Perhaps, the Nikons MHG are better in that respect. I don't know.

Besides, even 8x42s with an exit pupil of 5.25mm can be finicky when it comes to eye placement. Opinions may vary perhaps due to one's physiogmomy but IME a Nikon 8x30 II has a much easier view than a Leica Noctivid 8x42. So, try them out and compare.
 
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