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Yes those are (were) my binoculars, I can confirm it’s my old pair. msarif bought them from me off eBay and is now trying to flip them. I had been waiting for them to show back up for sale after he bought them, looks like the game is to wait until the item he bought is no longer visible in the completed listings so someone casually looking at eBay won’t realize it’s a flip.

I never EVER believe “open box” condition on eBay and most of the time you can assume any item is in worse than it is described. Not every seller is as forthright as me about over-stating the flaws for transparency. People like msarif and our very own local clown Dennis love to deceptively abuse this and sell clean used items as “open box” on eBay. I’ve seen Dennis do this tons of times, he brags about trying out a binocular on this forum and then boom there it is on eBay as “open box”. Because Dennis isn’t anywhere near as smart or clever as he seems to think he is, he probably thinks people won’t notice.

Also…. People are WAAAAAAAY overpricing the EDG on eBay. Most of those used listings have sat there for months if not years. You’d be insane to pay $2000 or even $1500 for one these days. A lot of the business strategy on eBay seems to be “Hope I find a sucker!” And then the item sits there for years unsold…. It’s sort of tragicomic to watch. There’s this other seller lozack-g who’s far worse than msarif, he sells used stuff that is way overpriced and the inventory sits forever. Not the sharpest businessman.

Anyway, the EDG are absolutely fabulous binoculars and sold for over $2k when new, but they have been discontinued for years and will have dubious warranty support from Nikon. You might send one in for repairs and they say “sorry we don’t have the replacement part …. guess what here’s a Monarch MHG to replace it”. That’s assuming you even get any warranty support, which I would not assume when buying off eBay unless it’s a brand that’s known to take care of people like Swarovski or Meopta.
Ouch! Boy am I learning the players here🤔. Are you talking about Denco, Dennis, the guy with the eye issues that sees glare in almost all binoculars except the ones he uses, that are known to have a less than perfect glare control (NL) 🤭.

Thank you and all the others who have pointed out this eBay seller was not describing the product legitimately, or accurately. The seller realized the inaccuracy or mistake that was made and promptly refunded my money.

The EDG had peaked my interest and for 13 or $1400 for an almost perfect one, seemed almost reasonable. At $2000, which a lot of these are selling for, I really can’t see the benefit, that’s SF, EL , NL territory. I only paid $2000 for my 8x42 Noctivids. It’s actually more than I paid for my UVHD and SF 32’s. And as you indicated a Discontinued Nikon Binocular that would need service can be a nightmare in itself. It’s almost a bad dream just to get a brand new pair of binoculars serviced today with Nikon. Definitely would not want a $900 MHG as a replacement for a $2000 Alpha.

Thank you
Paul
 
I have never sold a binocular I have used in the field as open box. I don't know where eitanaltman gets his information, but he is wrong as usual. I may have had it out of the box a few times and tested it on the patio, but that is what open box means. I am glad the seller refunded your money because it sounds like the binoculars were not described accurately and that was good investigative work by Nethero to uncover it. Seeing glare in binoculars is a very personal thing and depends on your eye sockets and your eyes themselves. Some people are going to see glare in certain binoculars and others aren't going to. Here is an interesting story about glare from Allbinos, and they were discussing why some people see glare in the SV 10x50 and some people don't, and the definition of open box by eBay.

"Open box: The item is in excellent, new condition with no wear. The item may be missing the original packaging or protective wrapping, or it may be in the original packaging but not sealed. The item includes original accessories. The item may be a factory second."

"There is an unusual story behind this review. One of our Readers has bought a brand new Swarovski EL 10×50 Swarovision and, during the observations, he was unpleasantly surprised. In his opinion, the new instrument fared weaker against bright light than several other, much cheaper pairs of binoculars he owned. As the piece of equipment from a very renowned producer fell short of his expectations, he decided to send it back and complain about it. The Swarovski technical service looked at that particular specimen of the binoculars closely, and they announced everything was in perfect order and in accordance with the highest company standards. Our Reader shared his frustration on our forum, asking whether other users/owners of that model have experienced the same problems. Practically all answers were negative. People praised Swarovski EL Swarovision devices, nobody has noticed similar flaws or any flaws at all. Usually I don’t test privately owned, used instruments, but this time I decided to make an exception to the rule. Firstly, it was a new pair of binoculars, additionally tested by the Swarovski technical service, and pronounced to be in accordance with their highest standards. We could test not only a new set of binoculars which we hadn’t had an opportunity to handle before, but also the efficiency of the Swarovski technical service. Secondly, we were eager to clarify the doubts of one of our most faithful Readers. We felt it was an opportunity not to be missed. As soon as I got the said Swarovski EL 10×50 Swarovision specimen, I took it outside at night and pointed at several very bright streetlamps. For comparison’s sake I also brought along the Leica Trinovid BA 10×50, the Leica Ultravid BL 10×42 BR, the Zeiss Conquest 10×32 HD and the Swarovski EL Swarovision 8.5×42. There is an unusual story behind this review. One of our Readers has bought a brand new Swarovski EL 10×50 Swarovision and, during the observations, he was unpleasantly surprised. In his opinion, the new instrument fared weaker against bright light than numerous other, much cheaper pairs of binoculars he owned. As the piece of equipment from a very renowned producer fell short of his expectations, he decided to send it back and complain about it. The Swarovski technical service looked at that particular specimen of the binoculars closely, and they announced everything was in perfect order and in accordance with the highest company standards. Our Reader shared his frustration on our forum, asking whether other users/owners of that model have experienced the same problems. Practically all answers were negative. People praised Swarovski EL Swarovision devices, nobody has noticed similar flaws or any flaws at all.Usually I don’t test privately owned, used instruments, but this time I decided to make an exception to the rule. Firstly, it was a new pair of binoculars, additionally tested by the Swarovski technical service, and pronounced to be in accordance with their highest standards. We could test not only a new set of binoculars which we hadn’t had an opportunity to handle before, but also the efficiency of the Swarovski technical service. Secondly, we were eager to clarify the doubts of one of our most faithful Readers. We felt it was an opportunity not to be missed. As soon as I got the said Swarovski EL 10×50 Swarovision specimen, I took it outside at night and pointed at several very bright streetlamps. For comparison’s sake I also brought along the Leica Trinovid BA 10×50, the Leica Ultravid BL 10×42 BR, the Zeiss Conquest 10×32 HD and the Swarovski EL Swarovision 8.5×42. The binoculars seemed to work properly well against bright light, perhaps slightly weaker than its 8.5×42 brother, but the difference was really insignificant. Both Leicas and the Zeiss performed worse for a change, due to spikes, created most likely on the edge of the prism roof. In the case of both Swarovski devices, there were practically no spikes at all. I didn’t notice anything worrisome or any significant differences between optical paths. When it comes to overall contrast of images, I decided to compare just two 10×50 instruments in order to use binoculars with exactly the same surface brightness. Once again, there were no distinct differences. I would even say the Leica performed a tad weaker. In case of both binoculars, I noticed some slight ghosting when I moved the lamp post toward the edges of fields, but those I saw in the Leica were a bit more bothersome. I also had a peek at the interior of the tested model, an instrument, after all, carefully checked by the technical service of the producer. It wasn’t perfect - I had seen cleaner binoculars. A significant number of specks of dust on each of prisms was clearly visible. Dust can influence contrast of images a bit too. The next test I conducted during a sunny day. From my balcony I can see the sun over a distant block of flats, so I looked at it (the building, not the sun) through the Swarovski 10×50 and the Leica 10×50. Indeed, I could notice distinct light circles in images on the opposite side from the sun, and their intensity was higher than the intensity of similar circles visible in the Leica. Still, they depended on the position of the eye and the eyepiece. Personally, I could position my eye in such a way that the flares disappeared almost completely. Here, I suppose, lies the source of problems of our Reader. Different eye sockets, different position of eye cups and elements against the eye mean different effects in a form of flares. A look at photos, presented below, might also help to explain the difficulty. In a duel what area around the exit pupils looks better against contrast light, the Leica prevails without any doubts – it presents an image as close to ideal as it is possible, something you would like to see in every top-of-the-range piece of equipment. The Swarovski lags noticeably behind, and this specimen is not just an exception; similarly looking areas close to exit pupils had also the 10×42 model. An additional concern, mentioned by our Reader, concerned the fact that the intensity degree of bothersome flares changed depending on optical path. It suggested a possibility of transmission issues. Was it really the case? A picture below might answer that question. For the majority of the range in which our eyes are the most sensitive, the transmission difference between both paths amounts to about 2%. It is a level imperceptible to naked eye, so it cannot explain effects observed by our Reader. On the other hand, though, there are parts of the spectrum where differences reach 3-4%. These areas aren’t big but still we don’t think such an effect should be present in a very expensive pair of binoculars. In this class of equipment, I would allow differences no bigger than 1-2%, so barely exceeding a level of our measuring error. Have we clarified the doubts of our Reader? It’s difficult to answer that question. If I was an owner of this piece of binoculars, I wouldn’t have noticed any problems with the performance against bright light, and I most certainly wouldn’t have sent it to the service for an extra check. This example emphasizes the fact that the choice of optical equipment is a very personal matter. Of course, you can read our reviews and tests, considering them to be pointers in the right direction, allowing you to choose a group of possible candidates, but before you buy anything you must take the binoculars in your hands and use it. We have different eye sockets, a bit of different sensitivity characteristics of our light detectors, different layout of rods and cones in our retinas and also individual sight defects. All these factors can influence our choice of a pair of binoculars; that’s why a piece of equipment which fares great in our tests might be perfect for another person but not for you. We had a very good example here. After all, our Reader had bought – I don’t hesitate to say that – one of the best sets of binoculars available on the market, and yet he is not entirely satisfied with it."
 

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OK, so you have the 10X32 NL, what about 8X?
I have the NL 10x32 and a Nikon E2 8x30 because it is a fun glass and I like the wide FOV and the 3D porro view. I picked up a Swarovski Curio 7x21 to try, and I will have that Sunday. I will let you know if it is a go or a no.:)
 
Will the Curio 7x21 be on eBay in a few weeks? 😜😏
Maybe If they don't work for me. I usually don't care for compacts, but I just had to try one because of the positive comments on them. If I don't like them, I will probably list them in the Bird Forum classifieds. So if you want to try a pair of them, look for them!
 
Ace optics in Engalnd have a good EDG7x42 second hand. I actually looked through them, but went Zeiss FL instead.
They've had them for nearly a year, so I would imagine they would be open to offers.
If you don't like them, you can always sell them on with not too much to lose if anything.
However, they were good from memory, so i'm sure you would end up keeping them!
 
I am seeking this edg in Japanese auction site , still no new old stock appear yet
Other than the old stock / used ones from the auction sites, you can also buy them new from Kyoei Osaka. The store has been recommended by many over at That astronomy forum, and from experience they do respond to email inquires promptly (English works).
 
Other than the old stock / used ones from the auction sites, you can also buy them new from Kyoei Osaka. The store has been recommended by many over at That astronomy forum, and from experience they do respond to email inquires promptly (English works).
Rimfies
Thank you,I will try
 
A question for anyone who may have experience of the two 10x EDG...

My 10x42 EDG has been my binocular of choice at the coast and in areas where I might anticipate bright, challenging lighting conditions (especially across water with the sun in front of me), for a while now. I almost never use them in low light conditions, so apart from the more comfortable viewing afforded by the larger exit pupil, I would lose nothing, in theory (apart from 140g) by downsizing to the 10x32. Apart from the obvious (exit pupil size), are there any characteristics in use, which set these two EDG formats apart? The spec sheets imply 'the view' should be pretty much identical, but of course, user experience will usually unearth differences.

Any thoughts/experiences of these two compared would be very much appreciated. Thank you.
 
A question for anyone who may have experience of the two 10x EDG...

My 10x42 EDG has been my binocular of choice at the coast and in areas where I might anticipate bright, challenging lighting conditions (especially across water with the sun in front of me), for a while now. I almost never use them in low light conditions, so apart from the more comfortable viewing afforded by the larger exit pupil, I would lose nothing, in theory (apart from 140g) by downsizing to the 10x32. Apart from the obvious (exit pupil size), are there any characteristics in use, which set these two EDG formats apart? The spec sheets imply 'the view' should be pretty much identical, but of course, user experience will usually unearth differences.

Any thoughts/experiences of these two compared would be very much appreciated. Thank you.
On bright sunny days you won’t notice any difference worth talking about , as far as image quality and brightness. You may notice a slight difference in eye box comfort , but being the EDG line has one of the most comfortable eye boxes it won’t be much.

Where you will notice a difference will be in lower light conditions, overcast cloudy days, late in the day/early evening and early morning is where the differences will be more evident. Although I’m a huge fan of the EDG , Imo I find the EDG line to be a little week in brightness area.
 
On bright sunny days you won’t notice any difference worth talking about , as far as image quality and brightness. You may notice a slight difference in eye box comfort , but being the EDG line has one of the most comfortable eye boxes it won’t be much.

Where you will notice a difference will be in lower light conditions, overcast cloudy days, late in the day/early evening and early morning is where the differences will be more evident. Although I’m a huge fan of the EDG , Imo I find the EDG line to be a little week in brightness area.
Yes, we're 100% on the same page with all of that. They're not the brightest, but I don't generally use my 10x42 EDG in low light or grey/overcast conditions, nor would I if I swapped them for a 10x32 EDG. What I was really trying to ask is if the 10x32's had any optical differences across the field (distortion, more or less pronounced drop off towards the outer part of the FOV etc.) which may make the view more or less pleasing, or if the 10x32 has a particularly unfriendly eyebox. This can be the case across certain model ranges, as you well know, you yourself are frequently looking for the sweet spot in a model line.
 
Yes, we're 100% on the same page with all of that. They're not the brightest, but I don't generally use my 10x42 EDG in low light or grey/overcast conditions, nor would I if I swapped them for a 10x32 EDG. What I was really trying to ask is if the 10x32's had any optical differences across the field (distortion, more or less pronounced drop off towards the outer part of the FOV etc.) which may make the view more or less pleasing, or if the 10x32 has a particularly unfriendly eyebox. This can be the case across certain model ranges, as you well know, you yourself are frequently looking for the sweet spot in a model line.
I didn't have the 10x32 and 42 side by side when I had the pleasure of trying each of them. I did have the 8X 32 and 42 together, and didn't notice anything that popped out that seemed different, and I was trying to find fault. The 10x32EDG I tried was brief, a few hours one afternoon comparing to the EL and Ultravid. The 10x32 EDG had similar edge characteristics as the 10x42 that I had tried extensiveIy. Eye box was excellent, another reason I like all the EDG's. For me the 32 EDG's seem a bit heavy for 32's, and there are other lighter options that are very nice. The edges on the 32 EDG were very good, didn't notice any fall off until about 85% out, not quit as good as the EL, but close. Of course both were better than the UVHD in that area, although the Leica edge fall off is very subtle , which I like.
 
Yes, we're 100% on the same page with all of that. They're not the brightest, but I don't generally use my 10x42 EDG in low light or grey/overcast conditions, nor would I if I swapped them for a 10x32 EDG. What I was really trying to ask is if the 10x32's had any optical differences across the field (distortion, more or less pronounced drop off towards the outer part of the FOV etc.) which may make the view more or less pleasing, or if the 10x32 has a particularly unfriendly eyebox. This can be the case across certain model ranges, as you well know, you yourself are frequently looking for the sweet spot in a model line.
The 10x32EDG I tried was brief, a few hours one afternoon comparing to the EL and Ultravid. The 10x32 EDG had similar edge characteristics as the 10x42 that I had tried extensiveIy. Eye box was excellent, another reason I like all the EDG's.

Bentley, Paul,

As posted earlier, I have the EDG II in 10x32 and 7x42, never looked through any of the other formats. Had to look for it today in response to yours above but can only see some pincushion distortion in the outer 10% of the 10x with very little angular distortion. No "drop off" at the edges noticeable unless I look specifically for it.

Eye box and viewing "comfort" are very good for me on both. The overall image quality of the EDG 10x32 it's actually my slight favorite of the prior generation 10x32's followed closely by SW FP, Zeiss T FL and UVHD + in that order. YMMV

Mike
 
Bentley, Paul,

As posted earlier, I have the EDG II in 10x32 and 7x42, never looked through any of the other formats. Had to look for it today in response to yours above but can only see some pincushion distortion in the outer 10% of the 10x with very little angular distortion. No "drop off" at the edges noticeable unless I look specifically for it.

Eye box and viewing "comfort" are very good for me on both. The overall image quality of the EDG 10x32 it's actually my slight favorite of the prior generation 10x32's followed closely by SW FP, Zeiss T FL and UVHD + in that order. YMMV

Mike
Thank you very much for your thoughts Mike!

I love the view through the 10x42, the 8x42 too, but was never able to get comfortable with the 7x. Given my usage for the 10x42, I really don't need the bulk and weight of it and downsizing really appeals. From what you say, there's nothing to fear from the 10x32 EDG, and if the image quality is your favourite amongst the quoted binoculars, that's very encouraging indeed. My everyday bin is a 10x32 EL FP which fits me perfectly and (as I don't suffer from rolling ball) is an absolute joy. The downside (and shhh, don't tell Dennis ;) ) is that in bright, reflective, difficult light, the view can become a little compromised, and for some reason, it is more apparent to me now without glasses, than it was when I was wearing glasses. Thus, my interest in the 10x32 EDG.

Sourcing a really good example could be tricky though.
 

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