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Aluminum or Carbon-fibre tripod? (1 Viewer)

James Eaton

Trent Valley Crew
Hi All,

I'm finally looking into upgrading my ageing 144 Manfrotto tripod. I've decided on the 055 Manfrotto tripod. However, I'm unsure with to spend the extra money on the carbon-fibre version as opposed to the aluminum. Can anyone provide me with any significant differences between the 055D and 055MF3/4? It will used used with travel in mind and plenty of walking. Weight isn't so much an issue as there is only 0.2kg differences between the two.

Which head would people recommend? 701 or 700?

Thanks in advance,

James
 
James I am getting on a bit now and purchased a carbon fibre tripod some months ago,I wish they had been around 30 odd years ago,(it was quite hard work using one's knee)I find it superb I use the 701rc head again excellent.Personally I think it will be ideal for both your requirements.

POP
 
POP said:
James I am getting on a bit now and purchased a carbon fibre tripod some months ago,I wish they had been around 30 odd years ago,(it was quite hard work using one's knee)I find it superb I use the 701rc head again excellent.Personally I think it will be ideal for both your requirements.

POP

i would go for the 055 alu, and with the 501 head , its a perfect match.
i use this for the nikon ED 82 A scope.
 
While I don't find my aluminium Manfrotto (the 190CLB) a problem to carry at all, if I could afford it I'd "upgrade" to carbon fibre in an instant (even though my current tripod is as good as new and very usable itself).

For me, the thing with CF is that it has an inherent ability to dampen vibration in a way that aluminium simply can't do, and that alone is enough to persuade me that of the benefit of that choice of material...
 
Another vote for carbon fibre, for the reason Keith describes above.

I have never liked my 700 head and have heard the 701 is an improvement.
 
Grousemore said:
Another vote for carbon fibre, for the reason Keith describes above.

I have never liked my 700 head and have heard the 701 is an improvement.

I would go for the 501, smoother and the plate is better protected for slipping out of the head, and you can place it better for better balance.
 
Keith Reeder said:
While I don't find my aluminium Manfrotto (the 190CLB) a problem to carry at all, if I could afford it I'd "upgrade" to carbon fibre in an instant (even though my current tripod is as good as new and very usable itself).

For me, the thing with CF is that it has an inherent ability to dampen vibration in a way that aluminium simply can't do, and that alone is enough to persuade me that of the benefit of that choice of material...
Keith,
I'm often suprised at the amount of people quoting this as useful in birding terms. Whilst carbon does settle more quickly from vibration in a test situation (a good crack with the hand) it is far less stable than alu and starts to vibrate much earlier when exposed to wind. As wind tends to be a variable constant, and not a single isolated gust followed by calm, carbon doesn't get time to recover. I think the difference in real terms for birders is really down to weight and fashion.

G
 
James,

I'd consider steering away from manfrotto. They do have a tendancy to fall apart after a couple of years, and with the amount of travelling you do this is likely to be accelerated as it will probably have a harder life. I'd look into a Gitzo, they are part of the same company now but the build quality is far superior. I have the 1228 four section legs (fold up smaller for travelling) with a manfrotto 701 head. Gitzo only seem to make relly heavy video heads but I wish they made a light weight fluid head. The manfrotto 701 is well designed but the build isn't great, it wobbles a lot. Having said that I may have a duffer cos my mates is much tighter than mine and older!

G
 
I must admit I'm puzzled by the apparent similarity of weight between the regular and cf 055. Subjectively handling each in a local camera shop the 055D felt MUCH heavier that the CF version, and I can't see how Manfrotto could justify the huge price difference between the two models if there is really only 10 per cent difference in weight......

John F
 
I have the 055 NAT and the Carbon One (443). I haven't checked the model numbers you quote but 443 is a three leg section tripod and 444 a four leg section and far wobblier one!

I've no doubt in my mind that the 055 is the sturdiest of the two in windy conditions. The Carbon One however is way lighter and much more comfortable to carry about.

If for scope use with a Swarovski then the 128RC may still be the better proposition as the scope foot fits into the head without the need for a plate. Mind you that's the sole reason I'm still using it instead of the 701. On the 7** series the mounting is transverse so a plate is needed.

Personally I still favour the 055NAT for sturdiness, but the Carbon One is perfectly okay for most conditions and far lighter to carry about.
 
If weight is not an issue then aluminium is certainly cheaper. The significant differences in the range appear to be:
055D - screw up leg clamps and plain feet - weight 2.2Kg
055CL - flip type leg locks ( very quick to use ) and plain feet - weight 2.3Kg
055NAT3 - flip type leg locks - rubber/spike feet ( accessory for the D and CL ) - weight 2.8Kg

Heads is very dependant on your scope. I have used the 128RC, 701RC2, and 501, so this is based on my experiences.
The 701 is not well suited to tail heavy scopes as you have to constantly lock and unlock to move between subjects.There is also considerable variation between samples. A try before you buy job and buy the one you try and are happy with.
The 128RC may look a bit agricultural but it works fine with any scope. It cannot be truely locked off if you digiscope, but unlike the 701 you can genuinely increase drag.
The 501 is a lot bigger than the 128RC but is the " bees knees ".

In your situation ( a lot of travelling to far off parts) I would go with aluminium tripod for robustness ( 055CL or NAT3 ) and the 128 head - solid and well built. I would also order a spare knob for it as the one controlling elevation can come totally undone and lost in the bush.
 
Thanks for everyones feedback, most helpful.

I use a Leica 62mm scope, so a lighterweight head would seem preferrable. Still thinking and searchng for deals!
 
garry1366 said:
Keith,
I'm often suprised at the amount of people quoting this as useful in birding terms. Whilst carbon does settle more quickly from vibration in a test situation (a good crack with the hand) it is far less stable than alu and starts to vibrate much earlier when exposed to wind. As wind tends to be a variable constant, and not a single isolated gust followed by calm, carbon doesn't get time to recover. I think the difference in real terms for birders is really down to weight and fashion.

G

I agree with Garry,

Owning both an alu tripod Velbon Delta (for photo use strapped to backpack) and a CF tripod Velbon Sherpa 530CF (for lugging along with scope over shoulder), the CF is definitely more prone to wind induced vibration. If you've had to lug it a long distance to a sheltered hide, then CF is great, if you're out in the open then you wish you'd brought your old alu job. CF great in sheltered/low wind conditions, alu doesn't shake in a gale, or even a light breeze for that matter.

I want the overall weight of CF with the wind damping of alu. In my dreams..........

Duncan.
 
Hi Duncan,

I'm sure that you and Garry are speaking as you find.

So am I..!

;)

I've definitely noticed the damping effect of carbon fibre when I've been able to use CF tripods.

That, and almost 30 years' intimate experience of the stuff as used in fishing rods, leaves me in no doubt that - all other things being equal (and there's the rub) - it will handle unwanted vibration better than aluminium.

A "heavy" aluminium tripod will be more resistant to large movements than a light CF tripod, and I've no doubt that a similarly heavy/similarly designed CF tripod would give the metal one a run for its money in the same situation.

But I'm talking about high frequency vibration of the kind that will blur a photo without you being aware that it's happening (I intentionally never mentioned wind-induced movment) - carbon is significantly better at dealing with that than aluminium.

Aside from weight-saving, one of the main reasons CF is used for fishing rods is that it quickly damps out vibration of the rod tip on the cast, thereby increasing casting accuracy and distance (this has rarely mattered to me, but competition casters say it does matter, and I believe them).

Likewise (and this might have some resonance for you, Duncan! ;)) bike frames made from CF were initally introduced specifically because of the damping ability of the material.

So - while it's hard to prove definitively outside of a laboratory - I'll take some convincing that given two otherwise similar tripods (similar weight, design, height) side by side, one in aluminium and one in carbon fibre, the CF one won't be better damped.

Not necessarily "more stable", which I believe is mainly down to the mass and the design of the tripod (and which therefore could also be something a CF tripod could deliver - how wide the legs are splayed being massively influential there, I'd have thought), but there's no question to me that damping is CF's forte.

I also acknowledge unreservedly that for most people it might be an utter irrelevance!

;)

There's still a significant market for tripods made of wood, I notice: their main selling point is also stability over and above metal tripods - Ries for example say:

VIBRATION - A metal tripod will pick up vibrations, amplify them, and transfer them directly to your camera. The most expensive photographic optics can be instantly rendered worthless by these tremors. RIES tripods, made of wood, absorb the vibrations, and provide a stable and vibration-free support for your camera.

Berlebach reckon:
Berlebach ash wood tripods are low-vibration products.
Ash wood is capable of compensating for the shudders and vibrations that constantly occur in the working environment. It will ensure that you get exceptional results with your camera or your sensitive optical or measuring equipment.

Properly used, carbon fibre will deliver the same benefits. A badly designed carbon fibre tripod would be the worst of all worlds though, without doubt.

And I've got to disagree with Garry's observation that Manfrotto tripods aren't durable... unless they're being used in a war zone as a mount for a rocket launcher, they'll last as long as you like and - importantly - spares are readily available.

James, how tall are you?

I ask because - being vertically challenged myself at 5' 8" - I've found the 190 series more than enough (and equally usable by a 6 foot tall bloke I used to bird with), and they're a wee bit lighter for the same level of performance. They just don't go quite as high as the 055s.

If your Leica is an angled scope, you really should consider the 190 range too.
 
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James Eaton said:
Thanks for everyones feedback, most helpful.

I use a Leica 62mm scope, so a lighterweight head would seem preferrable. Still thinking and searchng for deals!

I use a Leica 62 as well, so I reiterate to be wary of the 700 RC head, it's not good.

I've compared my CF tripod against aluminium and to me, there's no contest, without even considering the weight advantages of CF.
 
Hi Keith, Grousemore,

Thanks for the response. While this thread has gone on, I've realised that a 190 is actually more preferrable. I'm 5ft 10, so as you say, with this and an angled scope, 190 is looking the better option. I notice that with this range, weight isn't an issue, I just struggle to see the justification of spending twice the amount of money, for such subtle differences, especially when some of these are positives towards the alu tripod!

How do you find the CF so much better Grousemore? Thanks for the advice with the 700 head. I have a 128 at present, really nice, smooth head, so I may just stick with this, or choose a 701 as back-up too.

Another thought that came into my head was that as it will often be thrown into a rucksack, thrown onto planes etc, there must be a good chance at some point of the tripod breaking somewhere, in that case, maybe the aluminum option is better as I won't feel quite as annoyed if this happens as its the cheaper option!
 
James Eaton said:
There must be a good chance at some point of the tripod breaking somewhere, in that case, maybe the aluminum option is better as I won't feel quite as annoyed if this happens as its the cheaper option!

Been there done that - last Feb went to an RSPB hide at Hayle which had a heavy metal clad door - windy day - had the legs extended on my CF tripod as I entered the hide - door blew closed - nasty crunching sound and no tripod for 3 months plus a big bill.
CF tripods are not to be used as doorstops, wild beast repellers - they are of course very light but if you are like me and pack 40 pounds of scope/camera/lenses I don't think you'd notice a pound of extra weight in an ALI tripod.
If I broke mine again I might not be that concerned about replacing it with a CF.
 
Keith,

Having owned 4 manfrotto since 1997 (all of which fell to pieces) I switched to Gitzo in 2001. The first Gitzo an alu was too heavy for my style of birding so I sold it to a mate (who is still using it with no problems) the carbon replacement is equally as robust and I'll be amazed if it doesn't last me another 10-15 years, but it's nowhere near as stable. I am pretty hard on my gear, birding on the coast all the time doesn't help (sand and salt) and I am birding for some part of every day so they do get used. But to me a £250 manfrotto carbon pod should last more than 18 months!!!!
 
James Eaton said:
Hi Keith, Grousemore,



How do you find the CF so much better Grousemore? Thanks for the advice with the 700 head. I have a 128 at present, really nice, smooth head, so I may just stick with this, or choose a 701 as back-up too.

Only empirical evidence, hate to be labelled a gear-freak!...just remember more than one occasion when in windy conditions, the advantage that Keith eloquently explained earlier, to the effect that the damn thing was more stable, meant that CF was the way forward, compared with the bloke next to me seeing double, or worse,

I've done a lot of miles with mine as well and it has proved robust so far.

Good birding whatever you buy.
 
Weight and stability aside, any comments on the build quality of the alu versus CF from anybody? Would you expect them both to have similar lifetime, even with fairly tough use?
 
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