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affect bonfire night has on wildlife (1 Viewer)

I am not sure if any specific research hhas been done on fireworks but there was an other area that suggested this would not affect birds. It seems that low-frequency continuous (e.g., a trunk road like the M1) is more of a deterrent to birds because it masks the important power elelments of their sonmg. They can compete with the noise but things like distance and complexity cannot be emphasised against the background noise. Concern has rightly been voiced about large displays close to wildfowl places but birds largely ignore fireworks and treat them like an unusually violent thunderstorm, which makes sense when you think about it.

Ian
 
I have only endured two nights of fireworks here but they also seem to have fireworks to celebrate anything and everything, but the youngest cat was seated on the back of the sofa watching the lights in the window when suddenly there were several really enormous explosions to which she shot into the air and dived under the PC desk and was shiverring as though she'd lose all her teeth.
The volume in these pyrotechnics certainly seemed much louder than in previous years, and had me jumping in my seat too! I have never liked them since I saw Three people (two little children and one adult) wheeled into the hospital as I was leaving and all three had cottonwool swabs over both eyes, and all three lost their sight in both eyes too! Not a pretty sight for a five year old to see, so it put me off fireworks for life. I would never buy them and as for lighting one, I'd run a mile first! My children had to make do with organised displays that another adult took them to, as I wouldn't venture out the door!
 
Yes I too have been through hell through fireworks upsetting our dog. Thankfully she is now deaf, and sleeps through most of them. We now live in the country,{ near Nina P actually}, and find it much better than when we were in the town, which was absolute hell. I have heard of several horses being killed or injured through fireworks. The thing that annoys me is, It goes on for so long, I could cope with one night, which is how it used to be, but now you get them all year round.In Poole, where we used to live, they have fireworks every weekend through the summer.
 
Ian Peters said:
... but birds largely ignore fireworks and treat them like an unusually violent thunderstorm, which makes sense when you think about it.

Ian


Hi there Ian ... what's that statement based on ?

Personally i wouldn't agree with it at all. Great Yarmouth seafront has fireworks every Saturday night during the summer & 2 minutes after the first ones go off you can hear the birds come over squorking (is that a word ?) away like mad.

Not that i'm against the displays though, i think the balance is about right as they're organised properly, away from the areas of major wildlife interest & the local economy needs tourism, of which this is just part.

But selling fireworks (read - explosives) to J. Public doesn't seem too clever an idea and its about time that was changed. IMO
 
We all deplore the injuries caused to others, adult or child, by fireworks at this time (or any other come to that), but we do need to recognise that it's in the nature of life that it involves risk. The regulations regarding fireworks in the UK have been gradually tightened over the years and rightly so, but how far, and to what extent, can, or should, the state control our exposure to risk? There's no easy answer to this since it depends on the balance people put on individual liberties versus injury (real or potential) to the common good.

However, this was not the issue raised. This was the damage done to wildlife by the traditional Nov 5th celebrations. Contra the claims by some, I believe this is negligible to the point of non-existence. Engage brains and think about it. Yes, animals in close proximity to the fireworks can be alarmed. Yes, the birds might well fly up, squawk a lot and other animals run. However, in 40 odd years of watching wildlife I have never come across any long term (or even medium term) harm to wildlife as a whole (as distinct from the odd individual) as a result of 'Bonfire Night'. Birds may shift their roost patterns for a few days or whatever, but as for long term damage - not a shred of evidence as far as I'm aware. OK I'm not omniscient, but I rather think it's up to the "antis" to substantiate their extravagant claims. I'm sure that there's been odd incidents of 'brush fires' and the like, but long term damage? I doubt it. A lot of casual human behaviour, which is far less dramatic, causes far more harm (and with a good deal less adverse commentary).

Such celebrations happen nationwide and on a big scale on, what, one or two nights per annum. Even the most ardent pyrotechnophobe cannot surely claim that isolated displays or the odd bang of a firework (such as I heard as I wrote this) or whiz of a rocket can cause significant damage to wildlife. Let's be pessimistic (if you don't like fireworks) or optimistic (if you do like 'em) and say such concentrated, nationwide displays take place on 3 nights per year. That's less than 1% of all possible nights. Hold on, though, that's not all night and the intensity will be greatest for only a fraction of that time. Again, let's err on the side of exaggeration and say 6 hours per night. I make that 18 hours activity out of an annual total of 8760 hours or 0.2% of possible hours per annum. Then consider that these activities are largely concentrated in urban areas (cos that's where the people are!). At a guess let's say that 80% of the country (I seem to recall that the SE England has just under 20% urbanised land) is relatively undisturbed by fireworks. So what we're talking about is something that happens on 1% of all nights (or 0.2% of the year in toto), over 20% of the country and for which there is no evidence of any long term environmental harm. No wonder the hard pressed RSPB and RSPCA is reluctant to take issue with such popular celebrations. Umm, that'd be really good press coverage. Antagonising a substantial proportion of the population would be such a clever move! Frankly, to do so on the basis of supposed harm to wildlife would be such a scandalous waste of money that the charity commissioners might want to take an interest.

Naturally, folks have a perfect right to complain about whatever they wish, but I'd suggest that to waste too much energy over this issue when there's so much real, substantive damage being inflicted on wildlife is to be obtuse to the point foolishness,

John
 
So true John

there's no way it's gonna stop - saw so many people having a good time last night.

bit more concerned about the fireworks over Fallujah of late....bit of substantive 'collateral' damage going on there.....and no doubt plenty of animals copping it too....
 
Tim Allwood said:
bit more concerned about the fireworks over Fallujah of late....bit of substantive 'collateral' damage going on there.....and no doubt plenty of animals copping it too....

Absolutely, wouldn't like to be a person OR animal in that part of the world. Think one gent over the sea needs to be thinking along these lines too
 
Karl J said:
Hi there Ian ... what's that statement based on ?

Personally i wouldn't agree with it at all. Great Yarmouth seafront has fireworks every Saturday night during the summer & 2 minutes after the first ones go off you can hear the birds come over squorking (is that a word ?) away like mad.

Not that i'm against the displays though, i think the balance is about right as they're organised properly, away from the areas of major wildlife interest & the local economy needs tourism, of which this is just part.

But selling fireworks (read - explosives) to J. Public doesn't seem too clever an idea and its about time that was changed. IMO

Hi Karl,

I am not condoning the use of fireworks, I hate them and always have but there is no evidence that I am aware of for severe disturbance to birds. I would be the first to present any evidence if it were available, bleieve me. The thunderstorm comparison is quite good because most birds are not active at night. Therefore, they are likely to sit tight rather than take flight because the alternative is potentially too dangerous. Providing the fireworks are not too close then they get used to the noise, as they would do in a thunderstorm. Having said that, I am not sure all this holds true for wader roosts because these birds will fly at night and they are easily disturbed.

Ian
 
It sadly seems that it is only certain species that are considered when fireworks are to be used.
If these so called Organisations can stop a firework display trhat was over a mile away from an Osprey`s nest then it should speak for itself that it does raise an eyebrow of concern.
2003 showed that firework related incidents relating to pets, livestock and wildlife reached an all time high ( 25,000 ) six guide dogs had to be retired. So it is a little bit more serious than just shifting roost patterns for a few days. Fireworks are now an all year occurrence and must effect nesting birds. Gas guns in farmers fields deter birds, but at night loud bangs and flashes cause serious problems.
Wet weather adversely affects Barn Owls as they cannot hunt in severe weather, as we enter a climate that is wetter obviously disturbance by fireworks only adds to the problems for Barn Owls.
There is no need for people to have explosives on hand. If Organised Seasonal Events were the only way to enjoy fireworks people, pets, livestock and wildlife would not complain.
Suricate
 
John Cantelo said:
We all deplore the injuries caused to others, adult or child, by fireworks at this time (or any other come to that), but we do need to recognise that it's in the nature of life that it involves risk. The regulations regarding fireworks in the UK have been gradually tightened over the years and rightly so, but how far, and to what extent, can, or should, the state control our exposure to risk? There's no easy answer to this since it depends on the balance people put on individual liberties versus injury (real or potential) to the common good.

However, this was not the issue raised. This was the damage done to wildlife by the traditional Nov 5th celebrations. Contra the claims by some, I believe this is negligible to the point of non-existence. Engage brains and think about it. Yes, animals in close proximity to the fireworks can be alarmed. Yes, the birds might well fly up, squawk a lot and other animals run. However, in 40 odd years of watching wildlife I have never come across any long term (or even medium term) harm to wildlife as a whole (as distinct from the odd individual) as a result of 'Bonfire Night'. Birds may shift their roost patterns for a few days or whatever, but as for long term damage - not a shred of evidence as far as I'm aware. OK I'm not omniscient, but I rather think it's up to the "antis" to substantiate their extravagant claims. I'm sure that there's been odd incidents of 'brush fires' and the like, but long term damage? I doubt it. A lot of casual human behaviour, which is far less dramatic, causes far more harm (and with a good deal less adverse commentary).

Such celebrations happen nationwide and on a big scale on, what, one or two nights per annum. Even the most ardent pyrotechnophobe cannot surely claim that isolated displays or the odd bang of a firework (such as I heard as I wrote this) or whiz of a rocket can cause significant damage to wildlife. Let's be pessimistic (if you don't like fireworks) or optimistic (if you do like 'em) and say such concentrated, nationwide displays take place on 3 nights per year. That's less than 1% of all possible nights. Hold on, though, that's not all night and the intensity will be greatest for only a fraction of that time. Again, let's err on the side of exaggeration and say 6 hours per night. I make that 18 hours activity out of an annual total of 8760 hours or 0.2% of possible hours per annum. Then consider that these activities are largely concentrated in urban areas (cos that's where the people are!). At a guess let's say that 80% of the country (I seem to recall that the SE England has just under 20% urbanised land) is relatively undisturbed by fireworks. So what we're talking about is something that happens on 1% of all nights (or 0.2% of the year in toto), over 20% of the country and for which there is no evidence of any long term environmental harm. No wonder the hard pressed RSPB and RSPCA is reluctant to take issue with such popular celebrations. Umm, that'd be really good press coverage. Antagonising a substantial proportion of the population would be such a clever move! Frankly, to do so on the basis of supposed harm to wildlife would be such a scandalous waste of money that the charity commissioners might want to take an interest.

Naturally, folks have a perfect right to complain about whatever they wish, but I'd suggest that to waste too much energy over this issue when there's so much real, substantive damage being inflicted on wildlife is to be obtuse to the point foolishness,

John
Hello John,
I gather from your comments that in 40 years of bird watching you have not seen any firework related injuries to wildlife.
Well having worked for many years in the field of rehabilitation the story is a little different.
25,000 firework related incidents to animals in 2003, malicious attacks, do you not read the papers. That is more animals tramatised and killed than all the foxes killed in hunts.
Many companion animals die because of the over use of fireworks and for what benefit, personal entertainment at the cost of others. Fireworks had at one time a two week period, now it is 12 months of the year. Any continual activity of this nature has to have long term affects. Noise and light pollution are two areas now that are having an adverse impact on wildlife, do we really need any more?
Suricate
 
As I`m typing this theres a few rockets going off its 11:01 9th November and my dogs a wreck!! But throughout the days before bonfire night and these days later (dont know how long its going to last) its just not really stopped and wont really untill well after new year!! And what about those huge illegal bomb things!! They`re extremely noisy!
At college yesterday I heard two blind students talking, both with guide dogs, swapping stories on how their dogs perform tasks very poorly with all the fireworks racket. Also, I met a woman with a hearing dog on the other day....again problems.
But since we must consider only birds here, I was wondering what ALL the species of birds here are eating just now? Do fireworks upset the foodchain of Raptors? Does the heavy smokey atmosphere affect insects (not sure about insect eaters this time of year, dont know enough). Now I know the smoke`s just one night but its important if insects are scarce and you eat them! Mainly I was thinking about little furry things that get scoffed by hunters....?????
 
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