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A Good Day at Cuckmere Haven and More (1 Viewer)

I'll bet your ashdown forest will soon be teeming with winter arrivals!, certainly seems to be a recent influx of Redwings and Goldcrest etc on the coastal/near coastal locations.

Well done with the Redpoll btw (still need one of those;))

Matt
 
Joanne-this is posted on the SOS website-perhaps you're already aware of it?


http://www.sos.org.uk/latest-news/the-future-of-cuckmere-haven.html

Colin


Hi Colin

Yes I know about this proposal and I find it very hard to make a reasoned judgment and I am glad you have highlighted it and hopefully some BFers can offer their opinions. I have been visiting Cuckmere Haven and the Cuckmere Valley for nearly 30 years, long before I became a birder. It is a gloriously beautiful downland landscape and I'm posting a few pictures below to show people what it looks like.

As I understand it the owners, The National Trust, and The Environment Agency, who manages the coastal defenses, want to ALLOW the valley to flood. This would not happen instantly but would result, maybe after a period of many years, probably during a period of prolonged heavy rain combined with storm conditions and a very high tide. The proposal is not specifically intended to benefit birds or wildlife but rather to save money on the exorbitant costs of maintaining the shoreline defenses which is vulnerable to erosion and flooding. Indeed I have seen the whole valley beyond Alfriston and Litlington flooded in the floods seven or eight years ago. I have come round to the view that due to climate change and rising sea levels the Cuckmere Valley will probably be one of the first places on the south coast to "go under" as sea levels rise. So it is probably inevitable that the valley will flood whatever is or isn't done.

It is something of a political "hot potato". Most of the locals want to keep it as it is; it is a much loved landscape and a tourist attraction. The town of Seaford and the local council are mostly against allowing it to flood. The SOS is, I think, in favour of allowing it to flood because they see it as attracting more birds. My question is will it really attract more birds (it is already pretty good) unless it is actively managed to do so? I am not aware that active wildlife management is part of the proposal.

I don't know the answer to this. Colin, what do you think? Is anyone else reading this who has knowledge of this valley and the likelihood of what will happen if it's flooded? Views from scientists and ecologists especially needed.

Joanne
 

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I don't know the area Joanne-but on the basis of my reading of the proposals, and a look at the OS map-I would be in favour.
Restricting rivers to concrete channels seems more and more to be a futile excercise which destroys valuable flood plain habitats.
I don't know about the coastal defences . Here again managed retreat from tidal encroachment seems to be current thinking .
No doubt the river valley will change-but won't the new natural wetlands be at least as valuable as the existing meadows.?
Might salt marsh develop at the estuary mouth?-this scarce habitat is very valuable. ( EA are going to create some at RHNR by letting the tidal river into some of the new scrapes )

Colin
 
No doubt the river valley will change-but won't the new natural wetlands be at least as valuable as the existing meadows.?

I would have thought so but I wonder if a proper study has been done on which species would benefit and and which would be the loosers, if any. I think it would still be a beautiful landscape if partially flooded. The hills either side would remain and I don't think in any case it would be permanently flooded. (Unless the worst case scenario of global warming and sea level rise occur.)

Might salt marsh develop at the estuary mouth?-this scarce habitat is very valuable. ( EA are going to create some at RHNR by letting the tidal river into some of the new scrapes )

Colin

Your comparison with Rye is interesting. Is the Rother river mouth another artificially constructed channel? It has that look about it. The underlying geology is very different though. The Cuckmere channel was constructed about 150 years ago by the Victorians to manage flooding. Of course it hasn't worked in the sense that the valley still floods in certain circumstances. The flood plain of the Cuckmere has evolved over, not hundreds, but hundreds of thousands of years by regular but intermittent flooding.

Salt marsh does exist in the Cuckmere valley now in the form of the pools and the oxbow, which I believe is silting up, and probably also in the smaller channels beside the river.

Joanne

Edit: just seen this on the BBC news:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/sussex/7019544.stm
 
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I think your right Joanne-it will be a beautiful landscape -& quite possibly more bio-diverse than at present.

You may be interested in this :-
http://www.theargus.co.uk/mostpopul...ed.beauty_spot_to_be_abandoned_to_the_sea.php

Re Rye Harbour-yes the Rother sea outlet is man made .The sea water is let onto Flat Beach/Wader Pool through a tidal sluice under the road that goes down to Limekiln Cottage. A second sluice under that road is planned into the new scrape alongside it. Salt marsh forms quite quickly.

Colin
 
An Autumn Day at Pannel Valley and Pett Level

The day began with thick fog and I wondered whether we would see much or not. On the trek down from the bridge in the Pannel Valley Reserve, we hear several cettis and reed buntings but neither showed. Same with water rail but we did have a brief view of bearded tit flying low over the reed bed beside the path. It was hard work birding at Pannel Valley yesterday; few waders about, only lapwing and black tailed godwit. The water levels looked a bit low. A marsh harrier flew in the distance and disappeared behind some trees. As the morning grew and the sun came out and the dragonflies too, a hobby was chasing them in the warm sunshine. Hundreds of swallows and house martins hawking too over the pools and meadows. Eclipse teal snoozed on the bank and gadwall happily swam about, a laid back autumn day. Something sent up the tufties on a distant pond.

Just before leaving and moving onto Pett we had several views of at least 6 bearded tits who kept popping up out of the reed beds and bouncily flying along on top of the reeds only to disappear down among them again. It was for me the morning for bearded tits.:flyaway:

Delaying our move on to Pett Level to coincide with the high tide was a wise move for we were to experience some good seawatching conditions. Two common guillemot were seen close in and soon I found a razorbill , the ID was later confirmed. I was pleased with both of these birds as neither is common is Sussex and both lifers for me. All three birds hung around for the rest of the afternoon giving enough time to study them. :t: Several gannet were seen close to the shore for a change. And in the course of the afternoon some 150+ brent geese were flying west in skeins of between 10 and 20. Turnstone, always a welcome and pretty sight were on the beach foraging among the shingle. Sandwich tern, about 20 were resting and diving. Two commic tern also seen

Pett Pools were excellent in the afternoon. Two pretty juvenile curlew sandpiper were happily poking about with the dunlin; then two little stint doing the same. Another lifer, really pleased to see find these delicate and pretty birds. Ringed plover, ruff, knot, redshank, greenshank and bar tailed godwit also found good things to eat here today.

Sitting on the sea wall at Pett is my kind of birding, looking south over the sea and north over Pett Pools means you can see loads of birds in two different habitats just by turning around! My friend spotted a female marsh harrier sitting on the top of a bush. The scoped view revealed a beautiful but slightly menacing face in those large dark eyes. She was facing directly towards us, a little later she was in the meadow having caught something, being harassed by two crows.

As afternoon turned to evening we watched a skua, probably an arctic, persistently pestering black headed gulls for whatever they had that it wanted. This was a good moment and the first time I've seen a skua displaying this behaviour that one reads about. Some Rye birders turn up and it is good to make their acquaintance. One points out rock pipit in flight. I find a barn owl :king: beginning his evening patrol over the marsh. More waders arrive, little ringed plover, 4 avocet and little egret all coming in to roost.

Seaward, a large flock of oystercatcher, 100+ fly by from the west, probably going to Dunge. Then a little later another large flock. One of the Rye birders finds 5 little gulls , and later 3 more, my fourth lifer of the day. We wouldn't have seen them had the Rye guys not been there so if any of you are reading this, thank you.

An excellent day, we stayed until dark. Late afternoon in October on a fine sunny day is a good time to do Pett. Loads of species today on one of my best days.

Only a couple of pictures, not close enough to the birds for good ones.
 

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An Autumn Day at Pannel Valley and Pett Level

An excellent day, we stayed until dark. Late afternoon in October on a fine sunny day is a good time to do Pett. Loads of species today on one of my best days.

Certainly is a great time to be out birding Joanne, nothing like it.

Well done with the Guillemot and Razorbill, now is definately not a time to be away from the coast;)

Matt
 
Some of my favourite birds in there Joanne - any day with a Barn owl, Hobby & a harrier is a good day. Amazed to hear you've still got large numbers of Swallows & House martins: been long gone here except in very low numbers passing through.
Thanks for sharing.
 
Hi Joanne

Hope you are keeping well

Thanks for another great read.......you seem to be really getting into this birdwatching lark lately;);)

Nice to see a few more lifers made today also..........well done on those:t:
 
now is definately not a time to be away from the coast;)



You're absolutely right, Matt.....just planning my next "escape".


Some of my favourite birds in there Joanne - any day with a Barn owl, Hobby & a harrier is a good day. Amazed to hear you've still got large numbers of Swallows & House martins: been long gone here except in very low numbers passing through.
Thanks for sharing.


Agree with you about the raptors Halftwo. A birding day without them doesn't seem complete to me. Re the hirundines: we're lucky here in Sussex, they hang around feeding up for ages as long as it's warm and the insects are about. It's not uncommon to see swallows at the end of October or even into November.

Joanne
 
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Raptors Galore at Dungeness

Target species today are ring ouzel, firecrest and merlin as Sue and I set off for the RSPB reserve in the SW corner of Kent. It is a weird and sombre environment, a landscape dominated by the ugly power station with the pylons marching away across this inhospitable, flat, shingley landscape. But home to many birds it is. Driving down the track the first of the marsh harriers appears to the left flying gently over the expanse of scrub. A kestrel hovers a bit further along, then perches; it is a juvenile.

We proceed around the reserve in an anit-clockwise route; the light is best this way, stopping frequently and searching for the elusive firecrest and ring ouzel. So many cetti's, must have heard over 10 throughout the reserve. Dunge is something of a stronghold for them. A few chiffchaffs still about and less than 10 swallows are counted hawking over the marshes all day.

The first hide sees a female marsh harrier giving terrific and prolonged views quartering the marshland.....she is hungry. This is truly an amazing day for MHs for us. |=)| We would have altogether over a dozen, probably about 15 sightings I think of at least 4 different birds, male, female and at least two different immatures.:t: Marsh harriers have been somewhat elusive for me but suddenly in the last few weeks I am finding them in quite striking numbers here in SE England. The woman in the visitors centre informs us that they have successfully bred for the first time at Dunge this year. Good news!

Also from the first hide we watch a merlin who flies in fast and disappears behind some reeds. Sue IDs a common gull perched on a post in the pool in front of us. A large flock of great black back gulls roosts in another poart of the reserve. We hear reed bunting and later see one. Four redwing fly over. A sparrowhawk chases something unsuccessfully and is pursued by crows.

Between the hides we hear the "bing, bing" of bearded tits but it is windy and they don't show. |=(| Two buzzards circle in the distance towards the power station.

We are pleased to see many of the ducks have returned, loads of whistling wigeon, 2 snow geese, one the blue variety hang out with the greylag. Vagrant or feral, I don't know but I am pleased to see them as they are lifers for me. Tufties, shoveller, gadwall, a lucky ru**y and 2 pochard are seen on the various pools. Waders are very low in numbers today, only snipe seen.

Leaving the main part of the reserve, we get more excellent views of another marsh harrier , this time a male. The crows don't like him and give him a bad time. Later we find ourselves at the Hanson ARC hide but not much here as heavy work with diggers is in progress on one of the islands but on the path to it a delightful and charming charm of goldfinch:-O enchant us before flying off to feed on the teasels. A green woodpecker is on a telegraph pole; more kestrels too.

We decide to return home via Walland Marsh to the north. A large flock of common gull are roosting in a field, news to me that they are so abundant here.:t: Sue knows of a corn bunting roost at a grain store.....we go in search. No luck unfortunately but guess what we see....yes, another marsh harrier; female this time flying slow and low in their laid back way.:king:

Feeling the distinct lack of waders today, we decide to call in at Pett pools on the way home, which was so productive only a week ago. But it is a very different story today....only shelduck on the pools. But we do see our ninth kestrel of the day.:t: It is low tide on the beach and I count 40 curlew but give up, there are many more. Grey plover, redshank, turnstone, dunlin, ringed plover, oystercatcher,little egret are all feeding in the sand and shingle. We see the second charm of goldfinch of the day, this one larger than the one at Dunge. And in Pett Level village we are surprised by about 40 house martins and a few swallows still flying about.

Not so successful with our target species of ring ouzel and firecrest but it was more than made up for by the raptors!:-O
 

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Sounds like a nice day, Joanne. You've mentioned a few birds I'd like to see someday. You're right about Cuckmere Haven, what a beautiful place it appears to be. Those cliffs are stunning.
Suzanne
 
Another great read Joanne

Nice to hear those Marsh Hariers seem to be making a foothold for themselves in your part of the world, they are a magnificient raptor.

Matt
 
Whew !|:d| It's going to take me a while to read all your entries Joan, but what I've read so far has been lovely. I enjoyed the photos from Tichwell and Cuckmere Haven. Thanks for painting such a wonderful picture of your birding patches. o:):clap:

I think I'm jealous now. 3:)
 
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