3 Hawk IDs? south florida feb 2024. Was thinking, broad winged, swainsons or red shouldered. All three were flying together. (1 Viewer)

[goawildlifeenthusiast]

 

[Butty]

Probably red-shouldered hawk in all - like almost all raptors in southern Florida. Immatures. Tail-pattern and (pic 1) translucent primary-patch. I'd guess broad-winged hawks are all hundreds/thousands of miles away, and certainly wrong structure and plumage for Swainson's hawk.

 

[goawildlifeenthusiast]

Probably red-shouldered hawk in all - like almost all raptors in southern Florida. Immatures. Tail-pattern and (pic 1) translucent primary-patch. I'd guess broad-winged hawks are all hundreds/thousands of miles away, and certainly wrong structure and plumage for Swainson's hawk.

Broad wings are common winter visitors here. They are still regular sighted in florida at this time.

 

[nartreb]

I was thinking about juvenile broad-winged for #2 - I was having trouble distinguishing the translucent wing patch there. They "officially" winter in Cuba, but small numbers are sighted every so often, anywhere south of, say, Okeechobee.
On second look, I think I do see the translucent patch on both #1 and #2. Concur with red-shouldered.
Certainly #2 is not swainson's nor red-tail - wrong wing pattern for Swainson's, and no patagial bar rules out red-tailed.
Can't see much to help with ID of #3, but as Butty says, red-shouldered is likely. Belly pattern is better for red-shouldered than for red-tail.

 

[Butty]

Broad wings are common winter visitors here. They are still regular sighted in florida at this time.

Ta for correction. Tail- and underbody-patterns of all look better for red-shouldered hawk.

 

[goawildlifeenthusiast]

I was thinking about juvenile broad-winged for #2 - I was having trouble distinguishing the translucent wing patch there. They "officially" winter in Cuba, but small numbers are sighted every so often, anywhere south of, say, Okeechobee.
On second look, I think I do see the translucent patch on both #1 and #2. Concur with red-shouldered.
Certainly #2 is not swainson's nor red-tail - wrong wing pattern for Swainson's, and no patagial bar rules out red-tailed.
Can't see much to help with ID of #3, but as Butty says, red-shouldered is likely. Belly pattern is better for red-shouldered than for red-tail.

I dont think translucent patch is a way od distinguising them, as against the sun both species have the translucent patch. Im going to wait on some more, but i think 2 is broad wi ged juvenile from wing shape and underwing. Here is a better picture as to why i think 2 is broad winged juvenile. The face and the barring on the body matches with broad winged.

 

[Butty]

It's best if you post all the significant photos, and give your own views on the ID, right at the outset. This saves time for everyone and allows people helping you to address your concerns directly.
Your new photo looks much better for broad-winged hawk. Even though it's the same bird as pic 2, the tail- and underbody-patterns look good for immature pale broad-winged hawk.

I dont think translucent patch is a way od distinguising them, as against the sun both species have the translucent patch.

As far as I'm aware, this is wrong.