2025 7 March undefined buteo bahariye island eyüpsultan. Behavior and characteristics of the undefined buteo bird (4 Viewers)

[salih]

It can also hang in the air like a hawk.
It is 20 or 15 cm smaller than the red-tailed, common, steppe hawk.
The wing color is bright white and close to the white of the hawk.
Its tail has distinct rings.
Its nape is mixed white and brown.
The coccyx is mixed black and white and is prominent
It is smaller than the common, red, steppe and pied falcon.
It has a tan color like the steppe hawk.
Its wings are long and large compared to its body.
Its head is quite similar to a hawk, but its head structure is different.
Its neck is shorter than the red, common, long-legged, steppe hawk.
The black thick line joins the foot.
Its feet are light yellow.
The wing heads are brown and black.
Its beak is shorter than the steppe, common, pied and red falcon.
The middle of the beak is yellow and the entire beak is black.
The wing feathers are single black and have three joined points.
While the common hawk has 4 triangular lines, the hawk I shot has 5 triangular lines.
There are white distinct spots around the feather.
Left wing definition
It has 3 long feathers and 1 medium length feather and the last feather is short
The right wing has 5 black feathers and is short
Its head is brown and its underhead is white.
It is definitely an adult.
I can't guess your age.
It may be a hybrid.
Paçalı X=Steppe hybrid X+Red hybrid may be.
It may have been hybridized twice.
The other possibility is that the forest hawk or mountain hawk, which is one of the southern African hawks, or the forest or mountain hawks, is likely to be a hybrid of the hawk, such as the red, steppe, and trotter hawk.
The forest and mountain hawk is smaller than the red, common, steppe and pied hawk and has a wingspan of 102 117 cm.
Length is 41 48 cm

Mountain hawk
102 117 cm
Its length is 41 48 cm.

forest hawk
Length 41 48 cm
Wingspan is 117 102 cm

common hawk
Length 40 52 cm
Wingspan is 109 136 cm

red hawk
Its length is 43 62 cm
Wingspan is 112 160 cm

long-legged hawk
Its length is 45 63 cm
Wingspan is 120 153 cm

steppe hawk
Its length is 40 48 cm.
Wingspan is 100 125 cm

 

[lou salomon]

2nd calendar year Common Buzzard.

 

[salih]

2nd calendar year Common Buzzard.

The common hawk does not remain suspended in the air, only the pied hawk remains suspended in the air. Smaller than the common and steppe hawk, the red hawk and the pied hawk. It resembles all three species in behavior.

 

[salih]

The common hawk does not remain suspended in the air, only the pied hawk remains suspended in the air. Smaller than the common and steppe hawk, the red hawk and the pied hawk. It resembles all three species in behavior.

I have seen thousands of hawks and all kinds of ages. I think this species I took may be a common hawk hybrid.

 

[salih]

I have seen thousands of hawks and all kinds of ages. I think this species I took may be a common hawk hybrid.

Only 1 of my bird applications I use says buzzard, the others say red-tailed hawk or forest hawk.

 

[foresttwitcher]

Common Buzzard can indeed hover.

 

[salih]

Only 1 of my bird applications I use says buzzard, the others say red-tailed hawk or forest hawk.

Its behavior is similar to both plain, red, trousered, steppe birds, and it may have been hybridized twice. It is smaller than each of the 4 hawk species and there is a difference of 15 or 20 cm between the wingspan.

 

[salih]

Common Buzzard can indeed hover.

No, it cannot stay. The common hawk rarely stays in the air. The hawk with trousers does not flap its wings and stays in the air for a long time. The common hawk stays suspended in the air for a shorter period of time. The common and red hawk flaps its wings more, while my hawk flew without flapping its wings.

 

[stevethehydra]

There might be some translation issues here - are the photos of the OP's unidentified bird, or are they photos of the known species for comparison?

The description sounds to me a bit like a female [Hen/Pallid/Monty's] harrier...

 

[salih]

There might be some translation issues here - are the photos of the OP's unidentified bird, or are they photos of the known species for comparison?

The description sounds to me a bit like a female [Hen/Pallid/Monty's] harrier...

I identified the falcon bird myself. I will upload photos of similar species, see if you can see them.

 

[tconzemi]

There might be some translation issues here - are the photos of the OP's unidentified bird, or are they photos of the known species for comparison?

The description sounds to me a bit like a female [Hen/Pallid/Monty's] harrier...

Thanks for asking Steve, I have more questions:

So, there is no picture of the actual bird in this thread?
Just your thourough description?
And pictures of the species your bird ID applications gave you. If so please remove all the pictures, they are of no help at all, just making the thread needlessly long.

Also all ID applications are extremely poor in identifying Buteos or brown raptors down to species.

You have seen many raptors so an identification as a Buteo is made by you? Or only by your app?

A few conclusions right away:
Identifying a hybrid Buteo sp. x Buteo sp is simply impossible, there is such a big variation in all Buteos that a hybrid between two Buteo species would be unidentifiable, A double hybrid theory is nonsense
Estimating the size of a lone bird in the sky is impossible, they can fool you
Buteo males are smaller than females

Please confirm that you personnaly thinks it is a Buteo or something else.

No problem to leave the text in turkish, we might get a better translation than the one you use, we are all here to help you.

 

[martyrynin]

Only 1 of my bird applications I use says buzzard, the others say red-tailed hawk or forest hawk.

I tend to find PictureBird the most reliable of these apps. Might be worth a try.
It says Common Buzzard for each of the photos in the OP (your first post).

When the app is consistent across many photos, it tends to be correct.

 

[salih]

I tend to find PictureBird the most reliable of these apps. Might be worth a try.
It says Common Buzzard for each of the photos in the OP (your first post).

When the app is consistent across many photos, it tends to be correct.

Inaturalist browser is better than both merlin and picture bird application. I use applications like Bird iD. I use all the applications you mentioned. I also use the Aves tellus application. Inaturalist and merlin are more reliable. Google lens is the worst scanner for birds

 

[salih]

Inaturalist browser is better than both merlin and picture bird application. I use applications like Bird iD. I use all the applications you mentioned. I also use the Aves tellus application. Inaturalist and merlin are more reliable. Google lens is the worst scanner for birds

Scanners say there can be 3 types.
1.Red-tailed hawk. 2. forest hawk.3. common hawk says. European applications say red-tailed hawk. Merlin and Inaturalist say forest hawk. I looked at Merlin's description of the forest hawk sp. The description I wrote to buteo matches. Its size, feather quills and head structure completely match the forest hawk. Since the acrobat eagle has been observed in Istanbul, I think the southern African bird can be observed.Factors such as climate change and habitat loss may have affected it. The desert tail-pigeon bird has also been observed in Istanbul. We know that endemic species migrate short distances but rarely get lost on their migration routes. In the 21st century, some rare birds accidentally went to another country due to the effects of natural disasters such as storms. it has been confirmed in the century.

 

[salih]

I tend to find PictureBird the most reliable of these apps. Might be worth a try.
It says Common Buzzard for each of the photos in the OP (your first post).

When the app is consistent across many photos, it tends to be correct.

50% of the applications said buteo buteo and the other 50% said Buteo trizonatus. A very small part said red-tailed hawk.

 

[tconzemi]

Salih you must be joking, are you.

Identifying Forest Buzzard against Common Buzzard (Steppe Buzzard) in South Africa is a real challenge. And you want to have seen one in Istanbul because your app told you so? Alternatevily it might be a hybrid or it may have been hybridized twice, according to your ideas?

Please stay on the ground, many raptors have to be left undidentified, sometimes it's a real challenge. And some people do not accept this simple rule, so it be.

My ID is definite: it was not a Forest Buzzard, and your apps are crap (at least for the moment with these species)

But if the pictures of the first post show the actual bird you are asking about, than Lou is correct!

And if you activate the regional lists of your apps (instead of searching over the whole world) than even the app is correct: Common Buzzard and Lou aged it.

And please google Occam's razor

 

[salih]

Salih you must be joking, are you.

Identifying Forest Buzzard against Common Buzzard (Steppe Buzzard) in South Africa is a real challenge. And you want to have seen one in Istanbul because your app told you so? Alternatevily it might be a hybrid or it may have been hybridized twice, according to your ideas?

Please stay on the ground, many raptors have to be left undidentified, sometimes it's a real challenge. And some people do not accept this simple rule, so it be.

My ID is definite: it was not a Forest Buzzard, and your apps are crap (at least for the moment with these species)

But if the pictures of the first post show the actual bird you are asking about, than Lou is correct!

And if you activate the regional lists of your apps (instead of searching over the whole world) than even the app is correct: Common Buzzard and Lou aged it.

And please google Occam's razor

 

[salih]

It's not difficult at all. If you know the distinctive diagnosis, you can distinguish it very easily. For example, the dark-haired whistle and the green whistle are similar to each other, but if you know their distinctive description. Could it be that it is a hybrid of the steppe hawk and the forest hawk? I looked at all kinds of hybrid hawk photos, but the results from Merlin and inaturalist do not match any of them. For example, I have a distinctive difference from other bird watchers, and I still know which dinosaur family some birds belong to, from the family of birds to the Latin of dinosaurs, when I was in kindergarten.There was a world animal atlas. I memorized all the lines one by one. I even explained the beaked mammal bird when I was in kindergarten. Of course, no one believed it, but they believed it later. For example, when I see a bird, I can guess in which geography it lives. For example, there was no bird name that I did not know in kindergarten, but since new bird species have been discovered, even I cannot keep up with the speed of new birds. I know by heart which bird lives in which country. When I was 8 years old, I saw a red vulture and said black when I saw a black vulture.I started bird watching when I was 8 years old, but before that, I started in kindergarten. I determine the species by researching all kinds of information and data on bird identification and their behavior, and sometimes even read articles.In the animal atlas, I have a lot of information about all the animals I memorized, and especially the birds, from how many cm they are to what they eat. For example, we know that Mozambique and some African countries are slowly leaving Africa. For example, not every bird can be found in every habitat because each bird likes different geological habitats.For example, while the snake-necked bird loves habitats formed during the ice age or dinosaur age. For example, the observation of American birds in Turkey in the Anatolian and Aegean seas is related to both climate, geology and habitat. For example, the presence of gray-headed lapwing in the Black Sea is related to both climate and similar habitat. The formation of Turkey's country, that is, the collision of plates, dates back to a long time ago. For example, in the 1900s, there was 1 pair of bald eagles in the forest.

 

[salih]

It's not difficult at all. If you know the distinctive diagnosis, you can distinguish it very easily. For example, the dark-haired whistle and the green whistle are similar to each other, but if you know their distinctive description. Could it be that it is a hybrid of the steppe hawk and the forest hawk? I looked at all kinds of hybrid hawk photos, but the results from Merlin and inaturalist do not match any of them. For example, I have a distinctive difference from other bird watchers, and I still know which dinosaur family some birds belong to, from the family of birds to the Latin of dinosaurs, when I was in kindergarten.There was a world animal atlas. I memorized all the lines one by one. I even explained the beaked mammal bird when I was in kindergarten. Of course, no one believed it, but they believed it later. For example, when I see a bird, I can guess in which geography it lives. For example, there was no bird name that I did not know in kindergarten, but since new bird species have been discovered, even I cannot keep up with the speed of new birds. I know by heart which bird lives in which country. When I was 8 years old, I saw a red vulture and said black when I saw a black vulture.I started bird watching when I was 8 years old, but before that, I started in kindergarten. I determine the species by researching all kinds of information and data on bird identification and their behavior, and sometimes even read articles.In the animal atlas, I have a lot of information about all the animals I memorized, and especially the birds, from how many cm they are to what they eat. For example, we know that Mozambique and some African countries are slowly leaving Africa. For example, not every bird can be found in every habitat because each bird likes different geological habitats.For example, while the snake-necked bird loves habitats formed during the ice age or dinosaur age. For example, the observation of American birds in Turkey in the Anatolian and Aegean seas is related to both climate, geology and habitat. For example, the presence of gray-headed lapwing in the Black Sea is related to both climate and similar habitat. The formation of Turkey's country, that is, the collision of plates, dates back to a long time ago. For example, in the 1900s, there was 1 pair of bald eagles in the forest.

For example, I can draw a picture in the correct proportion without looking at any animal or using a ruler. For this reason, I can measure the size of a flying bird in centimeters or in the air.

 

[Richard Dale]

Do go on, this has all the makings of an all-time classic thread...