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2016 UK Orchids (2 Viewers)

The all-green form is stunning. If that was on Bald Hill, that is a second site in Oxfordshire.

Yes, Bald Hill; it was a tiny plant (well, the cardinal beetle gives some sense of scale). This was almost exactly a month after my first frog of the year -- also fairly green, albeit not quite as monochrome or fluorescent.

With hindsight, i realise that we probably met yesterday -- if you're the chap with a deep knowledge of narrow-lipped helleborine locations, a Mexico T-shirt, and a striking resemblance to the young Tom Cruise (but taller)... |=)|
ian
 

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Hi, Steve. Yes the productive area is at the back of the visitor centre. We were delighted with the considerable increase in numbers of DH this year - less evident at the moment on the Llay side.

Martin

Hi Martin, I'm thinking of visiting Alyn Waters this coming weekend to view the DHs. Looking at the map, is the Visitors Centre you refer to, off of the Mold Road? Also, any advice you can offer on the site the other side of the country park would be appreciated, if this is not to sensitive. Kind regards, Phil
 
Hi Martin, I'm thinking of visiting Alyn Waters this coming weekend to view the DHs. Looking at the map, is the Visitors Centre you refer to, off of the Mold Road? Also, any advice you can offer on the site the other side of the country park would be appreciated, if this is not to sensitive. Kind regards, Phil

I'll PM you the details, Phil.

Martin
 
I'll PM you the details, Phil.

Martin

Could I please ask for the same PM if possible as I'll be up your way middle of next week, but do not know the site at all. Many thanks.

Rather than all take, here's a bit of give back - musk orchid, frog and a rather stonking knapweed broomrape (sorry, I know, not an orchid) all from Noar Hill this week.
 

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Common twayblade/common sense

Follow-up on previous posts about lesser twayblade in the SE:
Surely the fact that this isn't highlighted, yet "The luckiest of visitors might even be able to spot a greater butterfly orchid", suggests a simple error in that case...wouldn't be the first time i've seen a common twayblade 'identified' as lesser... The BSBI record is more interesting -- i've pinged the county recorder, and the Bonny warden, and will report back here on any responses.

Martin Sanford, Suffolk BSBI recorder, shares general scepticism about the Bonny record. I think we can safely write it off as an error.

No response from the BSBI recorder on the Essex report, but Martin is "equally sceptical about the Essex record".
 
Could I please ask for the same PM if possible as I'll be up your way middle of next week, but do not know the site at all. Many thanks.

Rather than all take, here's a bit of give back - musk orchid, frog and a rather stonking knapweed broomrape (sorry, I know, not an orchid) all from Noar Hill this week.

Well, Paul - and a rather nice Pyramidal Orchid behind the robust Broomrape.
I think they (Broomrapes) are fascinating, and many species can be really beautiful.
Best

David
 
New Forest BOGS

anyone seen any out there yet? I am planning trip this weekend Is the site (MB)i know well in previous years near Lyndhurst still good or any others better? I have seen some posts last year saying MB was at risk from trampling Please pm me if any updates.
 
Yes I was able to see one just coming in to flower this evening, was just able to spot it with the naked eye and get a near passable shot with a 300m lens

To give people some idea of the views of the Glos Red Helleborine, this is an uncropped shot taken yesterday with a bridge camera; hand held at only 100x zoom!! Unfortunately the terrain means that the plant is only viewable from a couple of spots on the perimeter fence.

Plenty of Musks still showing nicely but there didn't seem to be much in the way of helleborines, we found about a dozen Narrow-lipped at a well known, easily accessed site but half of those were blind. However as you can see Steve's yellow Broad-leaved has reappeared.

Rich M
 

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Pyramidal var angustiloba

Does anyone know much about this variant, particularly how common it is?

Both of the attached seem similar to the photograph in Turner Ettlinger but neither he, nor Harrap, give any indication of how common or scarce it is.

Like emarginata I suspect that it is one of those variants where it is a matter of deciding how extreme a plant needs to be before it qualifies. Anyone got any experience they can share?

Rich M
 

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New Forest

Took a day trip to the New Forest yesterday for some botanical rarities. I popped in to the bog orchid site at Stoney Cross. Plenty present with 40+, some only just flowering.
 
Have there been any sightings of late flowering Burnt Orchids in Wiltshire yet (or somewhere closer to N. Wales)?

Steve
 
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Belgarums are mutants. but I know what you mean Rich and agree. Perhaps best to say 'aberrations' as whether the cause is inherited or acquired is unknown. Could be virus, aphid or similar, or weather at a critical point in the flower development.

The point I didn't make very well Steve is that belgarum is a named variant with a full description; such plants have a consistent shape and patterning, with little variability between the individual flowers, and tend to occur for a number of years and in numbers at a number of sites.

Belgarum in particular is relatively common and consistent in shape and lip patterning between sites ie it follows the description. It is one of the small number of forms in which Bee orchids regularly occur.

They may have mutated in the past but they are stable.

You can occasionally find odd individual plants that resemble belgarum but do not totally meet all the described criteria, but your plants aren't those.

Your plant on the other hand is a 'one-off' aberration, you would be hard pressed to find anything similar at any other site or even another plant; often it is just one flower with the other flowers perfectly normal. Such one-offs are not that hard to find in apifera but they all look different; they are one of the bonuses of looking at lots of Bees. I've got a whole collection of photos of Bees that have abnormal lip patterning or shape, and that's before you start on those with the wrong number or misshapen petals and sepals.

Were both your flowers on the same plant? If not what did the other flowers on each plant look like?

Rich
 
Were both your flowers on the same plant? If not what did the other flowers on each plant look like?

Rich

Different plants. Perhaps a virus, aphid or weather played a role in these aberrations at a critical stage of flower development
 
Hep identifying CFO or MFO please

Found these in wet Somerset fen meadow alongside Frog EMO and SMO (all gone over,) fairly tall plants (c45cm) but not dense flower spike. I think probably CFO but wings held horizontally. please could the experts confirm not MFO as odd site for CFO thanks David
 

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Found these in wet Somerset fen meadow alongside Frog EMO and SMO (all gone over,) fairly tall plants (c45cm) but not dense flower spike. I think probably CFO but wings held horizontally. please could the experts confirm not MFO as odd site for CFO thanks David

Somerset fragrants all seem to be a bit of a conundrum; your left hand photo shows sepals held deflexed whereas the right hand photo shows them horizontal. In my experience this is not a very useful character (and neither is the density of the spike unless it is really dense). Same thing with flowering time.

At one local site I ended up measuring the width of the floret and lip, the length of the spur and the height, as well noting the position of the sepals and shape of the shoulders on about a dozen plants in order to try and identify them based on an average morphology.

Sorry can't be of any more help. Could you PM details of the site, didn't know there were any sites in Somerset that had those 4 species! EMO is particularly scarce.

Rich M
 
A new colony of Dune Helleborines has been found in Warwickshire near Solihull. A lady on Facebook posted pics asking for an ID this evening and I've confirmed them as undoubtedly that species. This is the most southerly site in the UK and a first for the county.
 
A new colony of Dune Helleborines has been found in Warwickshire near Solihull. A lady on Facebook posted pics asking for an ID this evening and I've confirmed them as undoubtedly that species. This is the most southerly site in the UK and a first for the county.

Now perhaps officially worst common plant name in history?
I hail from Solihull and can confirm it is famous for its lack of sand dunes
 
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