Here we go again! North American Warblers (1 Viewer)

[Larry Lade]

The guys "at the top" are changing the binomials (and ordering) of the North American warblers. Here is a write-up by Kenn Kaufman.

 

[mb1848]

Is there no one who will rid me of these meddlesome guys "at the top"??? Actually at least two of the check-list committee are women: Carla Cicero (co-Chair) & Pamela C. Rasmussen. What gender exactly is an Irby? I am sure Larry is using the informal guys like I do for both sexes. Although I will sorely miss the genus name Dendroica, I think these changes make scientific sense. Morgan I really like Boyd's list, although I do not always agree with everything.

 

[fugl]

I imagine we’ll have to get used to these wrenching changes throughout the classification as the old intuitive categories are gradually replaced by more rigorously defined ones. Good to finally get the science right, but not so good in other respects, since categories based on superficial similarities have practical uses which I for one am going to miss: no more “Dendroica warbler of some sort” as a convenient field label for example. Thank goodness Empidonax is still intact & unrevised!

 

[Mysticete]

yeah I like Boyd's list, just don't always agree. I am a lumper on the generic level, while he appears to be a splitter.

From what I understand the Icteridae classification doesn't appear to contain too much in the way of changes, at least for NA birders. And after this fix I think the warblers, except for the Yellow-breasted Chat, will be pretty much "fixed"

 

[Roy'N]

disagreements about Oreothlypis? http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCprop453x.html

 

[mb1848]

Roy'n good catch! I am a little fuzzy with the foundations of taxonomy and nomenclature, but I agree with Manuel Nores about Helminthophila Ridgway 1882. One of my questions becomes ifyou replace a genus name because it is not valid does the type species have to stay the same? Ridgway replaced Helminthophaga with Helminthophila because it had European birds in with American wood warblers. The type species of Helminthophaga was chrysopterus, but Rigway stated the type species of his new genus was the Nashville Warbler. Nashville Warbler is not a true Vermivora so???

 

[RaMa]

If the new genus name was expressly proposed as a replacement name, it takes the type species of the older, replaced genus name, whatever the author of the new replacement name states (Art.67.8 of the ICZN Code).

Helminthophila Ridgway 1882 was indeed proposed as a replacement name for Helminthophaga Cabanis 1851, which was preoccupied by Helminthophaga Bechstein 1803.

EDIT: Me and my quick tongue (or, rather, quick finger):
Cabanis had designated Motacilla chrysoptera Linnaeus, 1766 as type species of his Helminthophaga, so it is automatically the type species of Helminthophila as well.

Shame on me. And if you haven't read the previous version of this post, don't mind!

Rainer

 

[Nightjar61]

Now that the genus Parula no longer exists, will the family name be changed from Parulidae to something else?

Dave

 

[Peter Kovalik]

Now that the genus Parula no longer exists, will the family name be changed from Parulidae to something else?

Dave

See http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=177904&highlight=parulidae
#14(Mysticete) and #15 (ntbirdman)

 

[Nightjar61]

See http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=177904&highlight=parulidae
#14(Mysticete) and #15 (ntbirdman)

Thanks for the link.

 

[MichavdB]

Sibley had a good write-up in my opinion:
http://www.sibleyguides.com/2011/06/the-new-wood-warbler-taxonomy/#more-5545

 

[fugl]

Sibley had a good write-up in my opinion:
http://www.sibleyguides.com/2011/06/the-new-wood-warbler-taxonomy/#more-5545

Yeah, it is a good one. Thanks for the link.