Zietz's birds (1 Viewer)

[Björn Bergenholtz]

Here's a question (first) regarding Herr/Mr Zietz (Junior), commemorated in ...

zietzi as (at least) in:
• the (Scrub/Brown) Thornbill ssp. Acanthiza pusilla zietzi NORTH 1904 (here, in text, top of page), as "Acanthiza zietzi":

An adult female, procured by Mr. F. R. Zietz in October, 1901, at Queenscliff, on Kangaroo Island, appears to be an insular form, ... I purpose to distinguish Acanthiza zietzi after its discoverer, ...

Though, I do not know if the same dedicatee also was intended in/for ...
• the Rock Parrot ssp. Neophema petrophila zietzi MATHEWS 1912 (here), as "Psephotus petrophilus zietzi", in the usual way by Mathews, no dedication, no explanation, nothing ...

But, most likely not, as the Richmond Card, for the latter taxon (here), clearly states: "For Amandus Heinrich Christian Zietz, 1839?–1921." (and note the question mark).


Either way, in today's Key we find the following explanation/s:

zietzi
● Friedrich Robert Zietz (1874-1922) German /Australian preparator, collector, Ornithologist at South Australian Mus. 1891-1922, founder member of RAOU, son of Amandus Zietz (subsp. Acanthiza pusilla).
● Amandus Heinrich Christian Zietz (1839-1921) German collector, preparator, emigrated to Australia 1884, Assistant Director of South Australian Mus. 1888-1909, founder member of RAOU, aviculturalist (subsp. Neophema petrophila).

As I understand it, the former (junior guy) was called Robert in everyday Life (as, for example, here), but what was his actual full name ... ?

Does anyone know if Juniors first given name truly was Friedrich, or if it was 'Fritz' (as he was called in Australia)?

Or was the latter just his nick-name (typical for many Germans)? Or not?

An Obituary after "Mr. F. R. Zietz, R.A.O.U." was published in The Emu 22 (1), 1922, here, which began with the following Phrase:

Much regret will be felt in the death of Mr. Fritz Robert Zietz, the well-known South Australian ornithologist. ...

Wikispecies has him as: "Fritz Robert Zietz" (commemorated in an Australian Lizard); here. Ditto in Wikidata (here).

As Mr F. R. Zietz himself is also the Author (Auctor) of quite a few Bird taxa, he's as well listed in Zoonomen's Author Index, where we find him as:

Zietz,FR_____________1874-1922

Zietz, Fritz Robert

Note that Zoonomen also incl. Zietz Sr., as [my blue bold]:

Zietz,AHC_____________1840-1921

Zietz, Amandus Heinrich Christian

Either way, in Bibiography of the Birds of Australia, by Gregory M. Mathews (1925)*, the Author (also the Auctor of the latter taxon) himself (even if he's not the most trustworthy) lists them both, on p.148, as:


Thus, was Junior's full name; 'Fritz', or Friedrich Robert Zietz (1874–1922) ... ?

Anyone who knows (for sure)?

As his Father seems to have moved to Australia in 1883 I assume that the Son was born back in Germany (maybe in Hamburg?).

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As well, note that the (English) Wikipedia-page for the Father, Amandus Zietz, (here) claims the Birth (of the latter) as: "13 June 1840", in line with what we're told by Zoonomen (above). Also note that this particular Wiki-page, as well, mention his Son (but as) "Frederick Robert Zietz".

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Take it all for what it's worth (if anything), it's just some observations (made along the way, while looking for other guys), neither one are incl. in my MS, thereby not checked in any depth (at least not further than what's been shown above).

Good luck pin-pointing them both!

Björn

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*Mathews, G. M. 1925. The Birds of Australia / Bibliography of the Birds of Australia: Books used in the Preparation of this Work with a few Biographical details of Authors and collectors. Supplement 5. H. F. & G. Witherby, London. (here)

 

[l_raty]

Thus, was Junior's full name; 'Fritz', or Friedrich Robert Zietz (1874–1922) ... ?

Also note that this particular Wiki-page, as well, mention his Son (but as) "Frederick Robert Zietz".

He is apparently "Friedrich Robert" on his grave.

FRIEDRICH ROBERT ZIETZ - BillionGraves GPS Headstones

Record for FRIEDRICH ROBERT ZIETZ 1875 - 10 Apr 1922 in Australia, South Australia, Adelaide City Council, Adelaide from BillionGraves GPS Headstones.

billiongraves.com

 

[PScofield]

According to his School enrollment Robert was born 11 October 1874. His father obit states that he was born in Slesvig-Holstein,

Born in Slesvig-Holstein, Denmark, 82 years ago, Mr. Zietz had a splendid education. One of his tutors was the celebrated Haackel. He started his career as a teacher, but this did not agree with him; and being passionately fond of natural history, he obtained a position in the world-famed Godefroi Museum, where the authorities selected him to proceed to collect specimens. Mr. Zietz returned from the trip with an excellent collection, which he afterwards arranged for the museum.
His services were next sought after by the Kiel Museum, where he was employed for several years. He then arranged exhibits at Vienna for the Prussian Government,
and was rewarded with a handsome gold medal, his work being the subject of much admiration. At the Fishery Exhibition held in Berlin he gained the highest medal for the best work done, and shortly afterwards was appointed Curator of the Kiel Museum. On the recommendation of Dr. Haackel, however, he relinquished these duties, and came to South Australia in 1883, and accepted the position of preparateur, and 15 years later of Assistant Director of the Museum.

The complex work history suggests that the son may have been born in Vienna, Berlin or Kiel.

The family emmigrated in 1884.

On his marriage licence he is Friedrich Robert Zietz.

I attach a birth record from Vienna. Could it be that Rudolf has been anglisied to Robert, Christof to Christian and this person was clearly born in 1875 but on exactly the right day? View attachment 3QHK-5Q2H-NHRP.jpg. Unfortunately this is not our family as I find Fritz Rudolf married in Dresden in 1919...

 

[Björn Bergenholtz]

Today's (updated) Key:

zietzi
● Friedrich Robert Zietz (1875-1922) German /Australian preparator, collector, Ornithologist at South Australian Mus. 1891-1922, founder member of RAOU, son of Amandus Zietz (subsp. Acanthiza pusilla).
● Amandus Heinrich Christian Zietz (1840-1921) German collector, preparator, emigrated to Australia 1884, Assistant Director of South Australian Mus. 1888-1909, founder member of RAOU, aviculturalist (subsp. Neophema petrophila).

Hrrmm ....

Why "1875"?

(even if that's what's inscribed on his gravestone, of course)

 

[l_raty]

Why "1875"?

(even if that's what's inscribed on his gravestone, of course)

This is the school enrollment that Paul alluded to, I believe.
Zietz, Robert, son of Amandus HC Zietz ("A. Curator Museum") : Date of Birth "11.10.74".



The same date is given in his obit : v.22 (1922:Jul.-1923:Jan.) - The Emu - Biodiversity Heritage Library
(But his age at death is wrongly given there as "48". He was aged 47 (i.e., in his 48th year), as indicated on his grave.)

 

[l_raty]

The most detailed bio of the father that I find online is :

Zietz, Amandus Heinrich Christian - biography

Biographical notes on Amandus Heinrich Christian Zietz, as a botanical collector.

www.cpbr.gov.au

...which appears to provide info taken from :

Horton P, Black A, Blaylock B. 2017. Ornithology at the South Australian Museum, Adelaide: 1856 to 1939. In: Davis WE, Boles WE, Recher HF [eds].​

Contributions to the history of Australasian ornithology. Volume IV. Memoirs of the Nuttall Ornithological Club, 23.​

 

[Björn Bergenholtz]

Today's (re-updated) Key:

zietzi
● Friedrich Robert Zietz (1874-1922) German /Australian preparator, collector, Ornithologist at South Australian Mus. 1891-1922, founder member of RAOU, son of Amandus Zietz (subsp. Acanthiza pusilla).
● Amandus Heinrich Christian Zietz (1840-1921) German collector, preparator, emigrated to Australia 1884, Assistant Director of South Australian Mus. 1888-1909, founder member of RAOU, aviculturalist (subsp. Neophema petrophila).

Unanimity, concordance, serenity rules!