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Why Not Alpen? (1 Viewer)

WJC

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As I visit the forum, I continually see the “this vs that,” as so many struggle to find their version of the ultimate “alpha” binocular. So far, I have avoided endorsing anyone’s bino, knowing that doing so can put your tail in a crack pretty quickly.

Even so, I would like to put my tail in a crack to help forum members and also a worthy importer.

Alpen is a small organization, but I became very impressed with the way they did things when I was buying a lot of things from them, starting in the late 1990s.

When they came to see me, to try to gain Captain’s as an account, they were one of a very few importers to portray themselves as nothing more than what they really were—importers. So many importers sprinkle their sentences with phrases like “we MAKE, we MANUFACTURE, we BUILD, and the like. I didn’t even get a taste of that garbage from the guys at Alpen. They told me they just wanted to provide a good product, at a good price, and, above all, provide superlative customer service. In my 11 years of buying from them, I found that they walked up to the mark in all those areas.

Do they sell some lesser quality instruments? Yes. They try to meet everyone’s price point. Do they sell “alpha” quality binos? Absolutely. Are they sold for the price of a meal at Wendy’s? No. But, when you can buy an instrument that’s 95% of a Zeiss, Leica, or Swarovski for 30% of the cost, I think the situation warrants looking into. No, you don’t get the bragging rights and snob appeal that the well-healed can enjoy. But then, is your purpose observing nature, or struggling to be the envy of all your friends?

My bottom line is that I hope some of our members will give the company a try. Let’s face it: we freely talk about hundreds of Asian binos here when only a few actual manufacturers exist. And those products differ mainly in cosmetics, advertising and price.

Alpen doesn’t have the resources to be in your face 24/7/365 with how wonderful they are or what great binoculars the MAKE. But, for those who want a good product at a good price, they are worth a try. Are their OEMs different from the bizillions of other importers out there? They are not. But, for my money, the honesty, courtesy, and customer support is well worth the effort.

After having said this, I am braced for an owner of some low-cost Alpen product to skin me alive screaming that it was certainly no “alpha” bino. That, however, would say more about commenter than the product. If you have the money, they have the goods, at a price much lower than the ultimate (read: expensive) alphas. Remember, if you can’t see or feel the difference, the difference doesn’t exist.

Finally, NO, I do not work for Alpen, or have ANY connection—financial or otherwise. I just thought you should know. Also, it has been 7 years since I have been with Captain’s, they don’t promote optics as I did, they no longer sell Alpen as many of the other lines that made us the “go to” optics shop north of LA, and last October, the company even changed hands. Thus, I can’t say that Alpen is operating as it did when they sold me on their product and way of doing business. I just know that when people are talking about the great deal they got on their Asian binocular, it would be a shame to leave such a company out of the mix.

I'll crawl back in my hole, now. :cat:

Bill
 
I would certainly give them a look. Never looked thru their binoculars, but if you say they are stand up, I believe you. I have used one of their rifle scopes and it worked perfectly.
 
Hello Bill,

I own an Alpen HD ED 10x42. It has the larger ocular lenses that I like, a soft view with natural colour and great contrast.

However I also own a Vanguard Endeavor ED II 10x42. It has the same field of view as the Alpen, the same 24mm ocular diameter. For me it offers better CA control, and a really superb, comfortable, stand out, flat and edge sharp view.

I have no real issues with the ergos of either of these yet for me, optically, the Vanguard is my first choice, and by a murder mile. The Alpen is a limping second, looking beached with it's high price tag. Is the Alpen a good binocular ? Yes it is. It's good for a loaner or a spare. Would I recommend it ? Over and above the Vanguard Endeavor ED II ? Not a chance.

Best wishes,
 
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I have read good things about their top of the range Ranier, I ran the optics for birding scorecard and the Alpen Ranier 8x42 outpointed the Leica 8x42 on my inputs, but of course, that is a guide and does not relate to anothers preferrences. Still, it indicates it must be a very decent instrument
 
I would certainly give them a look. Never looked thru their binoculars, but if you say they are stand up, I believe you. I have used one of their rifle scopes and it worked perfectly.

Not all are great. They tried to meet the price point criteria. But, their better models are very good. The praises I sing most is their manner (at least in their dealings with me) of conducting good, no nonsense customer service.

Finally, yer Texican, boy the tumbleweeds they have here in Southern Idaho leave a lot to be desired. 'Amenic to the max!

Bill
 
Hello Bill,

I own an Alpen HD ED 10x42. It has the larger ocular lenses that I like, a soft view with natural colour and great contrast.

However I also own a Vanguard Endeavor ED II 10x42. It has the same field of view as the Alpen, the same 24mm ocular diameter. For me it offers better CA control, and a really superb, comfortable, stand out, flat and edge sharp view.

I have no real issues with the ergos of either of these yet for me, optically, the Vanguard is my first choice, and by a murder mile. The Alpen is a limping second, looking beached with it's high price tag. Is the Alpen a good binocular ? Yes it is. It's good for a loaner or a spare. Would I recommend it ? Over and above the Vanguard Endeavor ED II ? Not a chance.

Best wishes,

Don't get me wrong; I don't have a horse in the race and don't pretend that it is the BEST in any given category. Just that the line deserves a bit more consideration than I think it has been getting.

Bill
 
It looks as though build quality and customer service is forgotten when a cheap bino has better optics to one's eyes.

I had just created a beefy bent nail puzzle and was refining the curves when a colleague asked to see it. Within a few seconds, he had the nails apart and handed them back to me with a snicker of superiority. Knowing a bit about psychology and a lot about human nature, I grabbed the nails, placed them behind my back and, in a few seconds, tossed them back to my showy friend.

“Okay hotdog, let’s see you get them apart quickly, this time; I put them together, backwards!”

The fact is that most of these simple two nail puzzles CAN’T be put together backwards, as the concept only works one way.

After working at it for several minutes, my unsuccessful, dejected, and bewildered friend excused himself to get back to class—it was finals week.

What was my secret? Words; only words. He overloaded mentally, simply because I TOLD him they had been put together BACKWARDS.

The same is true in advertising. If the reader doesn’t understand the realities of a given situation, they become ripe for the advertisers to pick. As long as I have been on the forum, I have counselled those who derive great enjoyment from discussing optics in general and binoculars in particular, to spend just a little time studying their subject from sources other than the forum. I often get lambasted for taking such a “haughty” stance. But, I think it is a good stance to take some heat over. :cat:

Bill (Olympic curmudgeon, 12 years running) Cook
 
The same is true in advertising. If the reader doesn’t understand the realities of a given situation, they become ripe for the advertisers to pick. As long as I have been on the forum, I have counselled those who derive great enjoyment from discussing optics in general and binoculars in particular, to spend just a little time studying their subject from sources other than the forum. I often get lambasted for taking such a “haughty” stance. But, I think it is a good stance to take some heat over. :cat:

Bill (Olympic curmudgeon, 12 years running) Cook

I'm jiggy wid it, many times we see what we want to see.
 
Bill

You don't have to be well-healed to save hard earned money to buy a pair of Alpha binoculars. We're not talking about 50000 square feet mansions, Ferraris, Lamborghinis, speed boats, etc. To call someone who makes a choice to spend the extra money to get the last bit of performance a snob, or to think the reason the majority of Alpha owners buy Zeiss or Swarovski is only to impress their friends and neighbors, that is truly absurd. You are a man with impeccable credentials and a brilliant mind, but the sour grapes are uncalled for.

Robert

 
I suspect it has been that way all along. There is a reason Bushnell had the success they did.

Like so many businesses, the first gets the Lion's Share, and leads the race.

David was not an optical engineer or tech. He was a guy with a degree in Foreign Commerce from USC who went to Japan in 1947 looking for SOMETHING he could IMPORT and make a living with. I found his whole story quite interesting.

Just think how many people I could make angry by saying the first QUESTAR eyepieces came from David!

Bill
 
Like so many businesses, the first gets the Lion's Share, and leads the race.

David was not an optical engineer or tech. He was a guy with a degree in Foreign Commerce from USC who went to Japan in 1947 looking for SOMETHING he could IMPORT and make a living with. I found his whole story quite interesting.

Just think how many people I could make angry by saying the first QUESTAR eyepieces came from David!

Bill

He sure filled a need at the time though.
 
Bill

You don't have to be well-healed to save hard earned money to buy a pair of Alpha binoculars. We're not talking about 50000 square feet mansions, Ferraris, Lamborghinis, speed boats, etc. To call someone who makes a choice to spend the extra money to get the last bit of performance a snob, or to think the reason the majority of Alpha owners buy Zeiss or Swarovski is only to impress their friends and neighbors, that is truly absurd. You are a man with impeccable credentials and a brilliant mind, but the sour grapes are uncalled for.

Robert

No sour grapes here. I have more than 30 binos, including some many would call "alphas." I like my Jason Statesman, my Nikon Prostar, and most in between. I may have to ask your indulgence. But, have you not seen a FEW folks who seem to base WHO THEY ARE on WHAT THEY HAVE? If you have not; bless you. You have a purer heart than I do.

Sometimes experience gained behind the sales or repair counter--over years of being there--can skew the mind. Like the fellow who "Couldn't afford," a $200 binocular (I talked him DOWN from the $500 group, which was above his needs.) only to leave the store in a brand new F-350 that got about the same gas mileage as the space shuttle. Our minds place the value on everything we buy or covet. Is it warranted? It depends on who you ask and what day it is.

One of the reasons I get in trouble so much is people thinking something I have said is all inclusive; it almost never is.

But, if you need a handy target . . . I'm here for ya.

Have a great night.

Bill
 
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I can't read your mind, just your words. Not looking for a target either, I actually paid you a complement at the end of my post.

No sour grapes here. I have more than 30 binos, including some many would call "alphas." I may have to ask your indulgence. But, have you not seen a FEW folks who seem to base WHO THEY ARE on WHAT THEY HAVE?

Sometimes experience gained behind the counter--over years of being there--can skew the mind. Like the fellow who "Couldn't afford," a $200 binocular (I talked him DOWN from the $500 group, which was above his needs.) only to leave the store in a brand new F-350 that got about the same gas mileage as the space shuttle. Our minds place the value on everything we buy or covet. Is it warranted? It depends on who you ask and what day it is.

One of the reasons I get in trouble so much is people thinking something I have said is all inclusive; it almost never is.

But, if you need a target . . . I'm here for ya.

Have a great night.

Bill
 
I can't read your mind, just your words. Not looking for a target either, I actually paid you a complement at the end of my post.


And I appreciated it! More important to me was not allowing you to think I was slopping the goods over all.

Bill
 
It's all good Bill.:t:

Great! Now while we're on a roll, let's toughen you up to more Billisms.

People who think they know everything, are especially annoying to those of us who . . . do.

or how about:

My brilliance is only surpassed by my incredibility humility.

Now, if you can walk away from those, understanding my humor (That's humour for those back at the homestead in Egham.) you'll be able to handle anything that comes along and, sadly enough, understand.

It's kinda like wrecking the car to turn the radio off. But, whatever works.

Bill
 
I've got several Alpens and am very happy with their products. In my opinion, the 8x32 Rainier is in many ways comparable to the the Nikon 8x32 Premier Lx-L. It's even got the same fast focuser (sorry Brock), although it focuses in the wrong direction. I guess they tend to be forgotten nowadays because we don't often see new models from them. The Rainier HDs were the last serious models we've seen from them, and the lineup was very limited (no 8x32HD, for example). Looking at the models that Kamakura is now selling through Maven and others, I wonder if it's time for us to see some new mid-to-high end Alpens? I hope so!
 
Don't get me wrong

No misunderstanding at all Bill, your position is quite clear, and thank you. No reason at all not to include Alpen in the choices amongst brands.

My example just reflects my recent experience. Anthony Proper (Alpen Optics Vice President of Sales), in an interview with Allbinos in 2011 stated, “We like to have our products tested against other brands at similar or greater price points and let the testers evaluate the results”. Since then the market has become very much more competitive and the comparatively high prices in Alpen's 'alpha' selection, for my example, look wholly unrealistic to me.

As peatmoss has said
Looking at the models that Kamakura is now selling through Maven and others, I wonder if it's time for us to see some new mid-to-high end Alpens? I hope so!
and I would certainly echo that.

Of course there are always those that make disparaging comments on upcoming brands based on their price alone despite the recent and very welcome advances in glass and coatings by the OEMs which are now available to all.

Slightly off topic I know and perhaps it is a tough example for some to swallow, the owner-manufacturer Vanguard wiping the floor with a high build quality, optically sub alpha yet mid-market priced 10x42 ; yet that is the market for you. The upcoming discussion elsewhere of a heavyweight brand gouging the market with a disposable Christmas bauble will be a true pointer to that.

Best wishes,
 
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