Unknown Raptor, Axios National Park, Greece last week (1 Viewer)

[mtrevillion]

Any help appreciated

 

[James Lowther]

Marsh harrier
Cheers
James

 

[TheBlackGrouse]

[Text deleted after studying hundreds of photos from all sorts of articles, and my own images from Marsh Harriers, for instance the ones that I followed from juvenile to adult in my neighborhood (the big advantage is that you know sex and age). It's a total mess in Marsh Harrier land and after a few hours it became a total mess in my head too, so I decided to delete this text. Even the Holy Grail of Forsman is not complete (yet). Work in Progress ]

 

[kuzeycem]

Maybe I shouldn't comment while I'm looking at it from my mobile, but I can't see any remige/rectrice moult in this bird, nor anything that particularly stands out against an adult female. I'd be happy to be corrected though.

 

[TheBlackGrouse]

Maybe I shouldn't comment while I'm looking at it from my mobile, but I can't see any remige/rectrice moult in this bird, nor anything that particularly stands out against an adult female. I'd be happy to be corrected though.

The same applies to me, I'd be happy to be corrected, I should have mentioned that my experience is with Western Marsh Harriers from North-Western Europe. This bird is from Greece and given the variety in plumage and moult in WMH it may be different there.

 

[Butty]

I don't see anything to make it other than adult female - including (all the) tail colour, iris colour, primary-trailing-edge, lack of any apparent moult, and geography.

 

[tconzemi]

I don't see anything to make it other than adult female - including (all the) tail colour, iris colour, primary-trailing-edge, lack of any apparent moult, and geography.

https://www.cebc.cnrs.fr/wp-content/uploads/publipdf/2013/BBB106_2013.pdf

After reading this, it's becoming a bit more complex

 

[TheBlackGrouse]

https://www.cebc.cnrs.fr/wp-content/uploads/publipdf/2013/BBB106_2013.pdf

After reading this, it's becoming a bit more complex

Agree, and more and more complex... http://blascozumeta.com/specie_files/02600_Circus_aeruginosus_E.pdf