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Snow Goose with Canada Geese (1 Viewer)

jpoyner

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Each summer several hundred Canada Geese fly north to moult on the Cromarty and Beauly Firths.........birds have been arriving over the past weeks. Amongst these last week was a Snow Goose (doubtfully of wild origin). However it would be interesting to know if anyone has seen a similar flock of Canada Geese with this bird associating with them in England as this would give an insight into the origins and movements of these Canada Geese.

JP
 
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Perhaps more helpful to you might be the record of 12 I had offshore from Blackpool going north on Thursday. Going your way?

Also reminded of a bird which lived in the garden of Walney Bird Observatory among the domestic geese, but still left to moult at an unknown location each summer.

Stephen.
 
Stephen Dunstan said:
Might be helpful to say which morph it is?

Stephen.

Yep, it was a White Morph bird.
Yes, any records of Canadas moving north would be interesting....they seem to arrive in small flocks of 10 to 20 birds, I saw several groups last week coming in high over the Cairngorm mountains!

JP
 
jpoyner said:
Each summer several hundred Canada Geese fly north to moult on the Cromarty and Beauly Firths.........birds have been arriving over the past weeks. Amongst these last week was a Snow Goose (doubtfully of wild origin). However it would be interesting to know if anyone has seen a similar flock of Canada Geese with this bird associating with them in England as this would give an insight into the origins and movements of these Canada Geese.

JP

I have joined this forum because I have witnessed this odd occurrence 3 times this year, so far, and have been searching on the web for an answer. I paddle great distances on the Hudson River, between Albany, NY and NY City. My brother and I and confirmed that what we have seen is a single snow goose within a flock of Canada Geese! We sat and observed this mix with binoculars on each occasion. This white goose is not a morph of a Canada goose, but clearly a different species. What we would like to know is how or why this relationship exists?
We are strictly armature in our bird studies, as it is a new sideline to our main interest of kayaking. We have made rules of bird identification when we paddle, where we each carry a different bird identification book, one with photographic plates, and another with artist rendition style pictures, and we must agree before we record a sighting.
This snow goose hanging around within the Canada goose flock has our interest. What is going on here?
Kayakguy in America
 
Hi Kayakguy,

Welcome to BirdForum!

I wonder if your bird might be an escaped white domestic goose? They often mix with Canada Geese. The other possibility is a Snow Goose which has a minor injury, not enough to stop it flying, but enough to stop it migrating all the way up to the Arctic.

To tell a white domestic goose from a Snow Goose, look at the wingtips: all-white = domestic, black tips = Snow Goose.

Michael
 
Michael,

Do they not have feral Snow Geese in the US? That would seem to be another possibility, I have seen feral Snow and Ross's with Canadas before over here.

Stephen.
 
perhaps more questions than answers here: Here in Ct I quite often see 1 or 2 Snow Geese in with a flock of Canada Geese during migration. I always guessed that it was a safety in numbers thing and that the birds will just join in with a flock. I guess what time of year you were seeing the white goose would be useful today - if it's after May it's more likely a domestic goose or as suggested a snow goose with a problem (is it possible it's also a young non-breeding bird that just hasn't headed north?). Over the last week I've seen King Eider and Red-breasted Merganser in CT which should be long gone by now.

Luke
 
Thank you to all that replied, so far. When I see this again, I will take more notice, and now I will be able to tell if it was in fact a domestic goose.

Kayakguy
 
Since this thread stopped after the spring migration I figured the fall migration should also come into discussion.

Firstly, geese are birds which prefer to be in flocks. Ideally of their own kind. We get thousands of pure flocks of Canada & Snow Geese during both spring & fall migration.

We also have numerous resident flocks of Canadas. I have never seen a Snow, Richardson's, or Ross' Goose with them during the breeding season, or through the summer months. I have seen domestic geese associating with them post breeding, and I guess it's possible an escapee of one of the other species is possible.

When the migrant flocks come through in both directions they tend to be pure, but do mix when feeding together. Once in flight they almost always sort themselves out completely, flying off in their own groups.

Once the main flocks passed through there are a good number of strays that show up. The Canadas tend to stay around much later, not leaving until it gets cold enough to permanently freeze the open water required for safe nighttime roosting. Local residents still seem to get by using the faster stretches of area rivers over the winter.

These stray birds seem to show up after their own species have gone on, either north or south. Annually we see mostly individual (sometimes 2 or 3) Snow Geese, and occasionally a Ross', White-fronted, and even Brant (Brent).

The heading south are almost certainly wild. There are thousands of individual snows across the country doing this. There are fewer of the other species, but I don't think people could possibly breed & lose enough of these species to account for the numbers seen (White-fronts are always a bit suspect, Barnacle Geese fully suspected as escapes) in either season.

The birds just appear to want the leadership, company & safety offered by being in a flock, and any flock seems to be all right with them.

Seems to be a minimum size for a flock though, half a dozen or less tend to align themselves with the larger group. This is probably done for the same reason individuals do it.

So, disoriented, lost and injured birds do it all the time. Escapes that migrate to a place where the opportunity presents it self to breed should become "wild", the same as released of Peregrines or Whooping Cranes.

A moulting Snow Goose in Scotland on the other hand, is just doing it for company, chances of it ever getting into a flock of its own kind seems rather remote.
 
jpoyner said:
Each summer several hundred Canada Geese fly north to moult on the Cromarty and Beauly Firths.........birds have been arriving over the past weeks. Amongst these last week was a Snow Goose (doubtfully of wild origin). However it would be interesting to know if anyone has seen a similar flock of Canada Geese with this bird associating with them in England as this would give an insight into the origins and movements of these Canada Geese.

JP


There was one Snow Goose in Kent/E Sussex on Scotney GP earlier in the year, and there are a couple feral / escaped Ross's geese in Norfolk

I am sure there are more

Mark
 
Each summer several hundred Canada Geese fly north to moult on the Cromarty and Beauly Firths.........birds have been arriving over the past weeks. Amongst these last week was a Snow Goose (doubtfully of wild origin). However it would be interesting to know if anyone has seen a similar flock of Canada Geese with this bird associating with them in England as this would give an insight into the origins and movements of these Canada Geese.

JP
I live on a lake in South Carolina. Every year at this time (July to August) I have the pleasure of watching and feeding a flock of Canadian geese and 1 white goose. It always starts with a couple of Canadian geese and about ten little babies. The white one seems to be helping to keep the little ones safe. Most of the time it is the leader when they swim, if not, it is the last in the line of them. Until today I wasn't sure who else ever noticed this precious quirk of Nature. I just found your forum and I'm excited to see how many places this unique group have been. I have many pictures but they look the same as those others posted. Has anyone found an answer to why or how this happened? Do you think there is only one group like this or is it more common than I thought?
 
Welcome to Birdforum!
Not a 'unique group' as yours will definitely be a different group to the one referred to at the start of the thread, as it was on the other side of the Atlantic, in Scotland! Feral or escaped geese of different species do seem to mix more than they would do naturally though if that helps.
 
Feral or escaped geese of different species do seem to mix more than they would do naturally though if that helps.

Oh really? I've seen goose flocks in Norfolk that were largely Pinkfeet but contained varying quantities of Bean Goose ssp, Barnacle Goose, European White-fronted Goose and presumed local feral Greylags along with a few local Canadas.

IMHO the Greylags and Canadas were likely ferals tagging on once the remainder arrived in Norfolk from foreign climes: the Beans, Whitefronts and Barnies were most likely wild birds that latched onto flocks during/prior to migration.

I hardly think my experience is unique. Indeed, I suspect most Southern birders' approach to the geese for year-listing involves finding and scrutinising mixed flocks in East Anglia. Wild Snow and Ross's Geese also end up in these gatherings ;)

John
 
20 years later I found your post because I have a Blue Goose amongst a large group of Canadian Geese here in the Chicagoland area.
 

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