Ring-necked Turtle Dove? (1 Viewer)

[chazz]

A gentleman with a bird ID book told me this was a ring-necked turtle dove....is that correct? I hope the image shows up.......I've been having a bit of trouble with it.

 

[gthang]

could be a really pale mourning dove, since i don't have any ring-necked turtle doves in my guide...

 

[Dave B Smith]

Chazz,
Looks like it probably is a Ringed Turtle Dove. The black ring would be on the back side of its neck and is not visible in your picture (except maybe a hint of it where it is just starting). The lack of any wing or face markings would rule out the Mourning Dove or any Ground Doves. The flight feathers (primaries) look very light in the photo. They should be the same color as the rest of the bird. I'm assuming this was just due to the lighting.

We have them established in Florida and they are usually found in city parks. They are kept as pets widely and this could be an escapee if you took this photo in Kansas.

 

[gthang]

yeah, now that i think about it, it could also be a barbary dove....lol

 

[Grousemore]

Interesting,Dave,didn't realise they were in Florida.Have looked in Sibley and can see your point.
Will need to look more closely at Mourning Doves(ubiquitous or what!)round here in future!

 

[chazz]

Chazz,
Looks like it probably is a Ringed Turtle Dove. The black ring would be on the back side of its neck and is not visible in your picture (except maybe a hint of it where it is just starting). The lack of any wing or face markings would rule out the Mourning Dove or any Ground Doves. The flight feathers (primaries) look very light in the photo. They should be the same color as the rest of the bird. I'm assuming this was just due to the lighting.

We have them established in Florida and they are usually found in city parks. They are kept as pets widely and this could be an escapee if you took this photo in Kansas.

There is a ring on the back of the neck.......this was in sort of a park....and the bird seemed to have very little fear of humans, so I guess I just didn't have the name quite right........thank you very much for your help.

 

[Dave B Smith]

Glad to help and don't worry too much about the name. It is also commonly referred to as a Ring-necked Dove.

 

[gthang]

and a barbary dove... and Ring-Necked Turtle Dove, Ring-Necked Dove, Ringed Turtle-Dove, even Streptopelia risoria...

my ears! my beautiful ears!

 

[Dave B Smith]

Grousemore,
Have you moved to Florida? Sounds like you have spent more time there this year than I have! You'll find lots of these guys in South Florida. We have a home in Stuart and they can be seen perched on all the power lines in town. Same thing all the way south to Miami.

 

[Grousemore]

Only over-wintering,Dave,but it's a great time of the year for weather and birds,so why not?
Not sure where Stuart is,I'll look it up in my road atlas.

 

[Joern Lehmhus]

Hi all, seeing this birds rather brownish wings and the whitish primaries, I would think that is a domestic Laughing Dove, Streptopelia roseogrisea "risoria", sometimes also referred to as Streptopelia risoria.

The primaries are far too white to be Ringnecked Dove Streptopelia decaocto (there they should be darker than the rest of the wing); and the rest of the wings appears too reddish-brown.

Jörn

 

[Michael Frankis]

Hi Joern,

You have some names mixed up there!
Streptopelia senegalensis = Laughing Dove
Streptopelia roseogrisea = African Collared Dove
Streptopelia risoria = Barbary Dove (domesticated; probably the same species as S. roseogrisea)
Streptopelia decaocto = Collared Dove

Michael

 

[Grousemore]

So which is the one in the photo,Michael?

 

[Dave B Smith]

Joern,
I had the same concern about the light primaries but added a note that I assumed this was due to the lighting, not actually lighter coloring.

When Chazz confirmed the black neck ring, I thought this confirmed the Ringed Turtle Dove (aka Barbary, aka Ring-necked Dove, etc.) Certainly seems to eliminate the Laughing Dove.

 

[Joern Lehmhus]

Hi Michael, you are right there, i mixed names up;
as far as I know it has been confirmed (via DNA? not totally sure about that) that Streptopelia "risoria " is the domesticated form of Streptopelia roseogrisea;

and this Streptopelia "risoria" is called Lachtaube (=german for Laughing Dove)

So what I wanted to say is that this is S. "risoria", the Barbary Dove . This is a quite common colour variant of it here in captivity

 

[Michael Frankis]

I'd say the photo is a domestic Barbary Dove - the whitish primaries count Collared Dove out.

Hi Joern,
If S. risoria and S. roseogrisea are the same species, the earlier name (S. risoria, 1758) takes precedence over the later (S. roseogrisea, 1857) - unless a resolution of the International Code for Zoological Nomenclature has officially suppressed the earlier name. I don't know if it has or not.

Michael

 

[gthang]

haven't i already mentioned BARBARY DOVE?

 

[Joern Lehmhus]

Hi Michael,

I know you are right about the nomenclature thing, but-Is that also true if the domestic form has been named first?

 

[Michael Frankis]

Hi Gthang,
Yep, you did (well done!) - it is easy to miss the higher posts when you click on the "view first unread post" button, particularly if you've missed a day or two of reading posts (the software sometimes 'thinks' you've read some posts which you haven't)

Hi Joern,
Yes - Gallus gallus and Columba livia were both first described from domesticated forms. Plenty of other animals, too, e.g. Bos taurus (cattle) for starters.

Michael

 

[Dave B Smith]

This bird seems to have too many names!
AOU gives Streptopelia risoria = Ringed Turtle Dove
This I believe is the same bird you are referring to as Barbary Dove. I know their photos look identical.