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I wonder just how long scopes and binoculars stay purged I know that quite a few older Leica trinovids have leaked over the years,easy to tell as the image gets duller when the silver mirror coating tarnish a little.

I would not be surprised if its quite common for both bins and scopes to lose the Nitrogen/Argon gas quite quickly.
What do you think,true or not!!
suppressor.
 
I wonder just how long scopes and binoculars stay purged I know that quite a few older Leica trinovids have leaked over the years,easy to tell as the image gets duller when the silver mirror coating tarnish a little.

I would not be surprised if its quite common for both bins and scopes to lose the Nitrogen/Argon gas quite quickly.
What do you think,true or not!!
suppressor.


It can happen quickly, within a few years, even with the top brands.
I have experience. Look at the Allbinos review of the new Leica's that
were tested, and were not found waterproof.

So don't be surprised, I wonder what the longest time is, that they
can hold the N. I would be surprised if it is over 10-20 years.

Jerry
 
I remember a posting by WJC, who professionally has probably worked on more optics than the rest of this forum combined, suggesting that the issue was not holding the gas in the gear, but keeping moisture out.
Air is about 80% nitrogen anyways, so going to 100% does not create miracles. Ditto for Argon or similar gas flushes.
The Fujinon FMTR 7x50s apparently have built in desiccator packs as well as first rate sealing. Imho, that should be the gold standard, at least for those not ready to adopt Mil Spec optics with fittings for desiccator elements.
 
Just an observation. Over many years of using binoculars of all sorts, both CF and IF, particularly as I delved into "playing around" with older and used binoculars, I found IF binoculars degrade internally far less than CF binoculars. That, of course, comes as no surprise to experienced users who understand the mechanical properties involved. And where the binocular has spent its life, on the coast or in high humidity areas as opposed to the desert southwest or rocky mountains also contributes to less degrading.

Whenever I see fungus on a lens or prism, I'm willing to bet that it didn't live in Arizona. IMO it is unrealistic for users to expect binoculars used and stored in various locations subjected to constant barometric pressure changes to remain pristine internally. After all we aren't talking about vacuums inside binoculars - maybe in the laboratory but not in the field.

I also hold the opinion that the "tighter" the internal mechanisms and lens seats, once the "bad stuff" gets in, the more difficulty getting it out.

One CF which claims H2O proof which has intrigued me is the now discontinued Leupold Cascade porro. I had several over the years and still have the 8x42 model. It of course is an Opticron clone. I won't live long enough to learn whether it will live up to its claim, but I am curious. IMO opinion, other than a lesser FOV, it is vastly underrated as a binocular and matches any alpha I have seen power for power.

John
 
Most military spec optics are expected to have a finite service time and are turned in periodically for inspection and if necessary rehab.
When their service life is reached the instrument is surplussed.
The Fujion 7x50 IF glasses are very long lived, many in USN service have been refurbished, new gaskets put in and repurged and returned to service.
When USMC Force Recon used the Nikon Tropical 7x50 they were refurbished after two years by the USN optical techs and only lasted in service two years beyond the refurbishment.
Most civilian optics have limited service lives when used really hard.
When I worked for the State of Alaska, I had my personal glass checked once a year, only had to have one pair of bino's refurbished with new seals, eyepieces and repurged.
Good glass can last a long time with a through refurbishment when necessary.
Art
 
Sorry guys, referred to binoculars being refurbished.
Scopes, especially the big deck mounted ones receive the same kind of service, at least with the USN.
I should ask the guys at Baker Marine what the USN service interval is for the big, deck mounted binocular scopes and what the service interval is for the spotting scopes used by the SEAL's, EOD and such.
Art
 
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