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Pintail/Common Snipe? Oman (1 Viewer)

I believe that it's a Common Snipe. The loral stripe is very broad, only the outer edges of the scapulars are yellow and the bill looks fairly long.
 
Shah,

This is a Common Snipe (Gallinago gallinago).

Note:

1. Very long bill. Pintail’s is about a third shorter.
2. Long white stripe on ear coverts.
3. Median coverts spotted, not barred.
4. Heavy stripe on lores. Pintail less distinct.
5. Tail obviously projecting beyond folded wings. Pintail doesn’t.
6. Pintail has wider paler supercilium.
7. Lower scaps on Pintail evenly edged in cream. These are irregular white.

These are just some distinctions, but enough to separate species. Only exceptional views would allow you to see the outer pin feathers of a true Pintail.

But, Crikey! You take some GREAT photos!

More good luck to you!

Phil
 
Shah,

This is a Common Snipe (Gallinago gallinago).

Note:

1. Very long bill. Pintail’s is about a third shorter.
2. Long white stripe on ear coverts.
3. Median coverts spotted, not barred.
4. Heavy stripe on lores. Pintail less distinct.
5. Tail obviously projecting beyond folded wings. Pintail doesn’t.
6. Pintail has wider paler supercilium.
7. Lower scaps on Pintail evenly edged in cream. These are irregular white.

These are just some distinctions, but enough to separate species. Only exceptional views would allow you to see the outer pin feathers of a true Pintail.

But, Crikey! You take some GREAT photos!

More good luck to you!

Phil

I wish it were this simple! Compare your notes against these birds -

http://homepage1.nifty.com/gallinago/stenura/harioshigi.html
 
These were ID pointers from Macmillan Birder's Guide to confusion species in Europe and the Middle-East. There are more distinctions: very thin and diffuse light trailing edge to wing - less distinct than snipe.Toes mostly project beyond tail in flight as tail is so short. Primaries browner and lighter than snipe, which are darker.Underwing darker and has uniform barring.Snipe's is pale - banded. Creamy stripes on mantle less prominent. Primary Coverts narrowly tipped pale. Back is brown with much spotting and barring, compared to Snipe's more unmarked black-brown.Median and lesser coverts more barred-brown. Snipe's more spotted and streaked. Lower scapulars fringed whitish at tips. On Snipe broad fringed white only on outer webs and ochrous-brown on inner webs.(Sourced mostly from Collin's Bird Guide)

On all these Japanese photos, as well as all these plumage signifiers, what is immediately apparent is the shortness of the bill on Paintail compared to Common Snipe. It also being thicker at the base.

That is apart from photo 7, which has hard to read plumage in this poorer shot, but that bill is STONKING! Surely this is a common snipe!

Anyway my head is hurting. Good luck with your Pintails, i'm off to have a lie-down!

I'm sure this is not the end of this thread!
 
Taking another gander at the Japanese pictires...

Compare the thinly whitish fringed lower scapulars on most of these birds with Shah's photo. The outer webs only here (on Common) are broadly edged white. The inner webs distinctly not and dark. It seems a very good feature on separating the two and is quite a marked difference. Some of the Japan photos obscure the plumage somewhat, but the lower scap pattern is visible on most clearly.

I have no literature on juv/imm plumage of Pintail, but have a hunch that photo 1 is a young bird, and at least one other.

Having said all that, in the field it would be a whole different matter. Unless of course you got crippling views.
 
Having said all that, in the field it would be a whole different matter. Unless of course you got crippling views.

Calls a good pointer! Rarely get crippling views, except perhaps Lam Pak Bia, Mangrove station

here's an interesting one - http://orientalbirdimages.org/birdi...es&Bird_ID=1188&Bird_Family_ID=130&pagesize=1


I have a powerful suspicion that this bird is wrongly labelled, or misidentified, as a Pintail Snipe. I very strongly believe it to be a Common Snipe.

The reasons why are as follows –

1. Disproportionately long bill of equal width, base almost to tip. Pintail’s is noticeably shorter and more in proportion with the rest of the bird. It is appreciably thicker towards the base on Pintail.
2. Median and lesser coverts spotted and streaked, rather than barred.
3. Lesser Scapulars broadly fringed whitish on outer web. Dark on inner.
4. Tail noticeably extends beyond wing tips. Giving an attenuated rather than ‘docked’ look of Pintail.
5. Pintail has restricted whitish tips to retrices. This bird has a wide whitish tip to tail.
6. It has a thick loral stripe (tapering sharply into bill over lores). Pintail’s is narrower.
7. In Pintail supercilium is often concolourous with pale cheek bar. The cheek bar of this bird is markedly whitish. A Common Snipe feature.
8. The supercilium of Pintail bulges before eye giving an‘open-faced look’. This bird has its head feathers raised and dishevelled. (It looks like it has been snapped in mid-bath! Notice the dripping feathers!)
9. Indistinct whitish tips to primary coverts can be discerned. Bolder in Pintail, forming a slight continuous wing-bar here.
10. Check the distinct ‘tramline’ striping of the upperparts, more redolent of Common.
11. Its back is primarily spotted and streaked. Pintail is more barred and spotted. Same goes for the lesser and median coverts. No regular discernable barring.
12. There is a small chevron on the retrices between the black sub-terminal band and the next band up. In Pintail this type of marking is far less distinct (See MacMillan Birder’s Guide for Alan Harris’s illustrations of tail markings in comparison.)
13. Blackish rather than brownish ground to overall upperpart colouration.

So, in summary, the bird in the photo I am sure is a Common Snipe: predominantly because of the following –

1. Tail projection.
2. Bill length / structure.
3. Lower scapular pattern.
4. Lack of any barring on median / lesser coverts and mantle.
5. Broadish white terminal band to tail.
6. White cheek bar compared to buff supercilium.

References:

Collin’s Bird Guide ( Mullarney, Svensson, Zetterstrom, Grant.)
Birds of Europe ( Lars Jonsson)
The MacMillan Birder’s Guide to European and Middle - Eastern Birds ( Harris, Shirihai , Christie.)
Each of these contains a pool of very good id info and are worth studying in some detail!
I’ve summarised all the details in a species to species comparison chart, which is really useful. But have yet to type it up. It may be worth posting on this thread later for the benefit of all.

I was a little concerned that the bird in this photo was labelled as Pintail Snipe. Was this an error in compilation, or in identification? On this basis it just adds to the confusion and is unfortunate. Especially for those trying to make sense out of all this!

Happy birding!

PS If you look at all the other images of Pintail on this link, you will see how easily the ID features are apparent in the rest of the pics. Very fine examples of Pintail Snipes in all kinds of poses!
 
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