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Paradise flycatchers (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Richard Klim
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Markus Lagerqvist
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Sounds exciting! Does anyone have access, would be interesting to read!
The supplementary info suggests that the T. cinnamomea sspp have been studied. T.c. unirufa and T.c. cinnamomea are possible splits based on colour, tail and vocalisations so it will be interesting to see if they comment on that. I couldn't interpret the distances they quote with the various different measures employed.
Richard Klim
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TiF
John Boyd (TiF):
www.jboyd.net/Taxo/changes.html [27 Aug 2012]
www.jboyd.net/Taxo/List19.html#monarchidae
John Boyd (TiF):
www.jboyd.net/Taxo/changes.html [27 Aug 2012]
www.jboyd.net/Taxo/List19.html#monarchidae
Richard Klim
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IOC World Bird List
Terpsiphone (paradisi) incei, T (p) affinis, T (p) floris and T (cinnamomea) unirufa listed as proposed splits, and T (viridis) rufocinerea as a proposed lump.
Terpsiphone (paradisi) incei, T (p) affinis, T (p) floris and T (cinnamomea) unirufa listed as proposed splits, and T (viridis) rufocinerea as a proposed lump.
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Jacana
Will Jones
That could cause problems for people who have birded SE Asia in the winter!
viator
Well-known member
IOC Proposed splits now lists T. incei with a DEL status - others still PS
From http://www.worldbirdnames.org/updates/proposed-splits/
DEL 3.2 East Asian Paradise Flycatcher Terpsiphone incei [South] Asian Paradise Flycatcher T. paradisi Fabre et al 2012, TIF; monotypic, English name provisional; mtDNA introgression issues require nDNA evaluation (FR)
From http://www.worldbirdnames.org/updates/proposed-splits/
DEL 3.2 East Asian Paradise Flycatcher Terpsiphone incei [South] Asian Paradise Flycatcher T. paradisi Fabre et al 2012, TIF; monotypic, English name provisional; mtDNA introgression issues require nDNA evaluation (FR)
Snapdragyn
Well-known member
Yup, I'll lose one - the armchair giveth, & the armchair taketh away. *sigh*
Jacana
Will Jones
Wait, what? Can someone explain why it's being deleted when it isn't even an accepted split yet? Is it proposing to just lump it back with paradisi or remove the taxon altogether? Am I just being thick?
Richard Klim
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Incei
PS. But Frank Rheindt suspects that Fabre et al's data artificially pairs incei with T atrocaudata as a result of past introgression of atrocaudata mtDNA.
If Terpsiphone (paradisi) incei isn't split, then Fabre et al's results suggest that incei would be better treated as a subspecies of Japanese Paradise Flycatcher T atrocaudata.
PS. But Frank Rheindt suspects that Fabre et al's data artificially pairs incei with T atrocaudata as a result of past introgression of atrocaudata mtDNA.
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Richard Klim
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Indian Ocean
Bristol, Fabre, Irestedt, Jønsson, Shah, Tatayah, Warren & Groombridge (in press). Molecular phylogeny of the Indian Ocean Terpsiphone paradise flycatchers: undetected evolutionary diversity revealed amongst island populations. Mol Phylogenet Evol. [abstract]
"We identify six ESUs worthy of management as if they were separate species."
Bristol, Fabre, Irestedt, Jønsson, Shah, Tatayah, Warren & Groombridge (in press). Molecular phylogeny of the Indian Ocean Terpsiphone paradise flycatchers: undetected evolutionary diversity revealed amongst island populations. Mol Phylogenet Evol. [abstract]
"We identify six ESUs worthy of management as if they were separate species."
- Terpsiphone corvina
- Terpsiphone (mutata) vulpina (incl voeltzkowiana)
- Terpsiphone (mutata) mutata (incl singetra, pretiosa)
- Terpsiphone (mutata) comorensis
- Terpsiphone (bourbonnensis) bourbonnensis
- Terpsiphone (bourbonnensis) desolata
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Jacana
Will Jones
Findings in short:
Madagascar Paradise Flycatcher Terpsiphone mutata should be treated as 3 species:
T. vulpina (incl. voeltzkowiana) from Anjouan & Moheli respectively (I think vulpina has priority)
T. mutata (incl. singetra & pretiosa) from Madagascar and Mayotte
T. comorensis from Grand Comoro
Mascarene Paradise Flycatcher Terpsiphone bourbonnensis should be split into:
T. bourbonnensis from Réunion
T. desolata from Mauritius
Madagascar Paradise Flycatcher Terpsiphone mutata should be treated as 3 species:
T. vulpina (incl. voeltzkowiana) from Anjouan & Moheli respectively (I think vulpina has priority)
T. mutata (incl. singetra & pretiosa) from Madagascar and Mayotte
T. comorensis from Grand Comoro
Mascarene Paradise Flycatcher Terpsiphone bourbonnensis should be split into:
T. bourbonnensis from Réunion
T. desolata from Mauritius
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mb1848
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"I think vulpina has priority"
Yes Edward Newton, T. vulpina 1877 PZS.
http://www.restoredprints.com/KLM001.htm .
Gustav Stresemann T. voeltzkowiana 1924 Orn. Monatsb.
Yes Edward Newton, T. vulpina 1877 PZS.
http://www.restoredprints.com/KLM001.htm .
Gustav Stresemann T. voeltzkowiana 1924 Orn. Monatsb.
Jacana
Will Jones
Neither paper makes any mention of this population.
Seems like I cross posted with Richard's edit too, sorry!
Richard Klim
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No problem, Will. Always much better to duplicate than omit. :t:
Richard Klim
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Richard Klim
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Well, he's clearly too busy to shave.On a more important note, does Jon Fjeldså actually sleep at all?
http://snm.ku.dk/english/staffsnm/vip/profile/?id=75192
Looking forward to his systematics chapter in the forthcoming HBW Special Volume...
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