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Lightweight binocular for a chair ridden friend (1 Viewer)

Trinovid

mountain and glacier watcher
United States
My friend can't move around any more, but really enjoys watching the birds through the window and I'd like to get him some binoculars that won't tax his very weak grip and his viewing area is about 30' away. I was thinking that something with 6 or 7 power and at least 4mm exit pupil but with all the cumulative expertise here I'd like to get some input.

My biggest concerns are that if they're too powerful he may not be able to hold them steady enough to get any enjoyment and if they're too heavy he won't even both trying to use them.
 
Is he able to hold up (lift and then keep steady for long enough) a porro-prism ("traditional"-shaped, before straight-barrel) model of 470 grams or 16½ oz? If so the Kowa YF 6x30 (5mm exit pupil) should be a fine option. It's available (in stock) at $ 100 with leading online retailers in the US. Close focus is not that good by today's standards, at a bit more than 3 m or 10 ft as I remember, but from what you say that is perhaps not a problem. This is what comes to mind now after some thought and I may be missing better options.
 
If you can relate some experience he has had with binoculars, or perhaps recently, with any of your binoculars... what seems comfortable for him?

Do your 8x32 Trinovids feel "right" to him? Try them out.

When sitting in a chair with arms, often one can become quite steady with elbows on the arms of the chair.

It seems to me that 8x32, with some of today's better binoculars, is likely the sweet spot. Opticron 8x32 Traveller comes to mind. They are compact, light weight, competent and effective at 8x32, and not overly expensive?
Or, were you thinking even less expensive? Vortex Diamondback HD 8x32 is a good, lower cost option.

I, personally, find 32mm the ideal, all-around, minimum... at least in objective diameter, for general use.

What are your thoughts?
 
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I endorse ZDH's recommendation of Opticron's Traveller 8x32 it is so light and is excellent optically. It also has a good close focus and it maybe this could tempt your friend to develop and interest in other subjects than only birds.

Lee
 
My friend can't move around any more, but really enjoys watching the birds through the window and I'd like to get him some binoculars that won't tax his very weak grip and his viewing area is about 30' away. I was thinking that something with 6 or 7 power and at least 4mm exit pupil but with all the cumulative expertise here I'd like to get some input.

My biggest concerns are that if they're too powerful he may not be able to hold them steady enough to get any enjoyment and if they're too heavy he won't even both trying to use them.
Are we talking bed-ridden, or chair-ridden here ?

I wonder if something quite lightweight with two distinct tubes like the S-P roof prismed Swarovski New Companion 8x30 CL, or the Nikon 8x30 HG would be easier to hold. The Opticron 8x32 Traveller ED as mentioned, also looks a good option. They all have good Fov /AFov, and that should help too.

You could even rig them up on a chair /bed-frame, mounted monopod, or other suspension device.

I hope they have access to opening doors /windows, fresh air, and sunshine too. Whatever the final choice, I hope they get much enjoyment from them 👍


Chosun 👧
 
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I think this fairly recent thread might be a relevant one (probably didn't make it into the similar threads list below because the advice was for a monocular) :
 
I would also recommend the Kowa YF 6x30. My wife has a problem holding heavier binoculars due to her disability and these work very well for her. Nice thing about them is that they have a very deep depth of view, so re-focusing is kept to the minimum, which is also useful if your friend has weak or limited hand/finger functions. The low magnification also helps to shake etc. ,and to top it all their optical quality is very good for the price!
 
I'd also recommend Oberwerk's 6.5×32 LW Binocular. Light weight, wide angle, bright, and only $80 direct from Oberwerk.
 
An 8x30 porro. Ideally the Nikon E11 8x30 porro. That (or rather an older similar cheaper 8x30 zeiss) was what my parents both used after they both had strokes in their eighties. The porro fills & sits in the hands nicely, are light enough to hold, and have an easy focus mechanism.
My mum 'lost' much of her right side, and would sit watching birds out of the window every day to the age of 91. My dad grew generally so weak he was told to reduce violin playing, but he used the 8x30 right to the end at 89.
My small & medium sized alpha roofs were tried and simply put aside for a 30 year old 8x30 porro you can find for £100
 
The 6x, 7x, and even 8x porros, at 30mm and 32mm objectives, certainly seem to be quite excellent options for this application. Porros certainly do have some advantages, when it comes to the optical quality/price ratio.

Reading up on them, the Kowa YF 6x30 porro bins receive many very high ratings from regular, every-day users. And at a mere $100? Jeez!!! They are so well-worth considering for this application.

@Trinovid 8x32b, depending on the available budget... you've got some awesome options to review, as suggested by contributions to this thread.
 
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Generally I find the Porro I less steady to hold than a roof prism binocular.

In this case the individual concerned will have to determine which form factor is easiest to hold, offers the steadiest, easiest view for them, the least fatigue, the most comfortable focusing position and operation, and the best view of the subject.

Some good options to choose from - try and trial a couple 👍


Chosun 👧
 
A simple finnstick, adjusted or custom made for sitting, would solve the problem.
See the following.

Google images
finnstick birding
for more results.
 
Further to this post of mine (on thread I gave link to above which now realise wasn't quite how remembered it :rolleyes:) :
how about something like this for an extended viewing session (only here we'd prefer a Collins guide, a jar of beer and a pasty). Maybe already has something like this.
 

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Generally I find the Porro I less steady to hold than a roof prism binocular.

In this case the individual concerned will have to determine which form factor is easiest to hold, offers the steadiest, easiest view for them, the least fatigue, the most comfortable focusing position and operation, and the best view of the subject.

Some good options to choose from - try and trial a couple 👍


Chosun 👧
I agree, and also currently feel that roofs are steadier to hold, though think it is not true! What's true is that I can actually 'hold' them, just as I can 'sit' on a low soft-cushioned sofa.
My parents are a sample of only two individuals but it was a severe learning experience watching them go from old to infirm, and I will add a bit more to my previous post...
They got the supporting upright chairs, three types which make you sit properly, and none of which I like except perhaps the one that allows a recline to near horizontal position. They got two pairs of spectacles, they got walking sticks/zimmer frames which they didn't like but had to use. Made choices of easy to use tin-opener, kettle, a long shoe-horn. My mum literally could not change a battery, her rheumatism was bad and she had mobility problems after her stroke. My dad went very thin and weak, he bought five increasingly lighter ladders to use. Old age is not fun, and then dementia starts, a stroke disables.

Anyway regarding binoculars, they got to the stage where they wouldn't even use a lightish modern 8x42 Bushnell porro because of the general shape (BTW it was good to read of Jan in another thread selling a habicht 7x42 to a 92 year old, which gives me hope that with effort we can all be fit enough at that age).
I remember my ergonomic 10x44 Steiners never made the raise to eye-level, way too heavy. And my small roofs were too fiddly for them to hold, a bit like me picking up a drawing pin.

Fingers simply lose facility, the arms lose strength, and the heart muscle also becomes much weaker.
So binoculars for the oldest people (and forgive me if I am teaching my grandmother to suck eggs)
  • need to fit the shape of a relaxed hand and therefore sit in the hand rather than being held
  • need to be light enough to be raised to head height and kept there for a short while
  • need a focus wheel in a good position and, most importantly, that is very easy to turn

The Carl Zeiss Jena 8x30 fitted both their needs. Ironically, it is also good for youngsters, as the IPD starts from 46mm.
 
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I'd recommend the Pentax Papilio 6.5x21 that currently retails on Amazon for $129.00.
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The Papilio II is what I ended up going with and I appreciate all the input in making the decision. They should be arriving sometime next week and I may pick up another set for myself after reading all the reviews on them. Thanks again for the steer in the right direction.
 
I have it and love it. Great for close up views, but also good for backyard bird viewing. Hope they enjoy it.
 
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