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Italian Alps. Over 2000 mts altitude (1 Viewer)
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Alexander Stöhr
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Hello,
any more pictures?
Please note, that even juvenile WW Snowfinch has large white patches in the wing, that are regular obvious and hard to obscure (by the bird or photographic resons) see
But what is it?
First gut feeling is either a Water Pipit or a Northern Wheatear. And if forced, I would opt for a Water Pipit. But I struggle to give reasons.
And if you look enough, you van see a Pipit head Pattern? At least I can, but I cant loose the feeling, that more pictures could well change this and I will be surprised.= I am prepared to be corrected
any more pictures?
Please note, that even juvenile WW Snowfinch has large white patches in the wing, that are regular obvious and hard to obscure (by the bird or photographic resons) see
But what is it?
First gut feeling is either a Water Pipit or a Northern Wheatear. And if forced, I would opt for a Water Pipit. But I struggle to give reasons.
And if you look enough, you van see a Pipit head Pattern? At least I can, but I cant loose the feeling, that more pictures could well change this and I will be surprised.= I am prepared to be corrected
Impossible to tell the bill-shape from photos of this very low quality (no offence). With such extreme fuzziness, small/thin things get ’eaten into’ by the mush, and their apparent shape is destroyed.
RichieTwitchy
YNWA
...or just invented some colour? - check the now-reddish edge to the rock. I find the first-posted versions more plausible/useful (if still pretty useless! - no offence).
Just this other one, Alexander. Even more blurred than the others, but it might show the bill somehow better. Sorry for the quality of the photos. The bird may have been 100 meters away.
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RichieTwitchy
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No probs
Valéry Schollaert
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I'm afraid that the wings are too long and pointed for any pipit...
Gladiator96
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my first impression was Northern Wheatear but opted not to comment since there seemed to be a consensus on Water Pipit
Valéry Schollaert
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no consensus, especially it can't be a pipit with these long, pointed primaries.
Richard Dale
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Odd comment - the wings (whether primaries or primaries completely covered by tertials) are exactly the length and shape one would expect from a pipit. Structure is also fine for a pipit and wrong for, e.g., wheatear. Given the quality of the image I'm not going to start inferring what may or may not be plumage features though.
JayFeatherPL
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I agree, it's probably a pipit. The tail is too long for a wheatear.
Valéry Schollaert
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Nothing odd, you should know that Motacillidae (pipits, wagtails, longclaws) have no primary projection (rare exceptions such Petchora Pipit don't occur the Alps), as tertial tips reach primary tips. It means the tip of the wings are rounded and not pointed as here, so no, it is definitely not a pipit. The body shape is also wrong for a pipit, so we can exclude Anthus without any doubt.
Valéry Schollaert
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Definitely not a wheatear nor a pipit (explanation just above). Difficult to tell what it is, may be a finch such a linnet, the photo will probably never allow a definitive ID.
