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Ghost orchids in SW Germany - information and brief trip report (1 Viewer)

Ghostly Vision

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Hi all

Visited the Black Forest last weekend on my annual pilgimage for Ghost orchid.

The well-known site near Donaueschingen is getting worse by the year, and this year following a very thorough search we counted 221 plants. Although this may sound like a large number, they are spread over a large area, and compare this count to the 1600 in 2006 and 10,000 in the 1960's.

In addition to the gradual drying-out of the site, large numbers of visitors are trampling the plants in their effort to photograph them.

As a result, Rangers are patrolling the area and moving both cars (which are subject to a visit by the Police and a parking fine) and people off the site.

Because of all these reasons I unfortunately will not be running a trip to the area again next year. Instead I will be visiting the Austrian Alps for Ghost, and the Dolomites for species such as Malaxis monophyllos and Chamorchis alpina. Should be a good trip, and there will possibly be Wallcreepers and other alpine birds thrown in too.

Back to this year's trip, apart from the Ghosts we saw (all at the very end of their flowering season);

Mueller's helleborine
Narrow-lipped helleborine both nominate and "neglecta"
Broad-leaved hell
Dark red hell

In the same wood are many spikes of Bird's nest orchid and Lady's slipper, among other things.

We visited a site to the west which had approximately 10,000 LEsser twayblades - an amazing sight!! Some were still in flower, and we found several plants which had three leaves instead of two.

Nearby, in two gorgeous valleys, we found most orchids to have gone over, apart from a few Marsh fragrant orchids still with some flowers on them.

Birds of interest seen or heard were

Black woodpecker
Crested tit
White stork
Short-toed treecreeper
Black kite

...and on the Sunday we visited a site in the Black Forest where the local Nutcrackers come down to feed on peanuts put out by the tourists. We had up to seven birds within 10 feet - an absolutely stunning sight. The attached picture was taken with a 55mm lens!!

We saw less butterflies, but they did include the usuals

Map
White admiral
Silver-washed fritillary
Chestnut heath

We also saw several Sand lizards, and various Grasshoppers and crickets.

A good little trip, shame it won't be on next year!

Sean
 

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Hi Sean

Glad to hear you had such a successful trip, even if the Ghosts appear to be declining. I may make a trip of my own when I'm not a poor student!

Just back from a family holiday to the central Stara Planina mountains of Bulgaria and saw some interesting wildlife, (as is always the case in this very traditionally managed area of countryside).

Firstly the orchids. Most species in the beech woodlands at around 500 metres had gone over (E. helleborine, N. nidus-avis, C. damasonium L. abortivum etc.) as had Himantoglossum caprinum and Ophrys cornuta in adjacent hay meadows.
However, a trip to a (relatively) local ski resort at around 1100 metres called Uzana near Gabrovo, yielded Epipactis purpurata, Epipactis helleborine and Dactylorhiza fuchsii in full flower in the ancient beech forests (photos below). The E. helleborine plant was unusual though as many of the florets had epichiles not reflexed and folded under, giving them the look of E. leptochila. A plant in bud further into the wood appeared to be a proper E. leptochila. Yellow bird's-nest was also found in full flower in forests that seemed perfect for Ghost orchid - none of the former were found :-C

An excellent holiday for birds this year with 89 species seen in total, most notably:

White Pelican
Dalmatian Pelican
Golden Oriole
Sombre Tit
Middle-spotted Woodpecker
Lesser-spotted Woodpecker
Turtle Dove
Honey Buzzard
Hawfinch
Goshawk
Purple Heron
Lesser Grey Shrike
Red-backed Shrike
Black Stork
Wood and Green Sandpipers
Osprey
Great Reed Warbler
Little Crake
Squacco Heron
Marsh Harrier
Whiskered Tern
Icterine Warbler
Long-legged Buzzard
Lesser Spotted Eagle
Short-toed Eagle
Collared Pratincole
European Roller
(Underlined species were new ones for me).

Mammals didn't fare too badly either with Wild Boar, Wild Cat (from the road), Roe Deer, Red Squirrel and an exremely rare Bulgarian Otter swimming around in flood water after 18 hours of terenchal rain.

Reptiles and Amphibians:

European Green Lizard
Eastern Hermann's Tortoise
Transdanubian Sand Viper
Fire-bellied Toad
Green Toad
European Pond Terrapin

Plenty of butterflies and moths too with Silver-washed Fritillary, Scarce Swallowtail, Marbled White, Clouded Yellow and Hummingbird Hawkmoth ubiquitous and a few other species which I haven't yet identified, ideas? (see below).

Not bad for a family holiday walking around near the house and staring out the car window!

Mike.
 

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Hi Sean

Glad to hear you had such a successful trip, even if the Ghosts appear to be declining. I may make a trip of my own when I'm not a poor student!

Just back from a family holiday to the central Stara Planina mountains of Bulgaria and saw some interesting wildlife, (as is always the case in this very traditionally managed area of countryside).

Firstly the orchids. Most species in the beech woodlands at around 500 metres had gone over (E. helleborine, N. nidus-avis, C. damasonium L. abortivum etc.) as had Himantoglossum caprinum and Ophrys cornuta in adjacent hay meadows.
However, a trip to a (relatively) local ski resort at around 1100 metres called Uzana near Gabrovo, yielded Epipactis purpurata, Epipactis helleborine and Dactylorhiza fuchsii in full flower in the ancient beech forests (photos below). The E. helleborine plant was unusual though as many of the florets had epichiles not reflexed and folded under, giving them the look of E. leptochila. A plant in bud further into the wood appeared to be a proper E. leptochila. Yellow bird's-nest was also found in full flower in forests that seemed perfect for Ghost orchid - none of the former were found :-C

An excellent holiday for birds this year with 89 species seen in total, most notably:

White Pelican
Dalmatian Pelican
Golden Oriole
Sombre Tit
Middle-spotted Woodpecker
Lesser-spotted Woodpecker
Turtle Dove
Honey Buzzard
Hawfinch
Goshawk
Purple Heron
Lesser Grey Shrike
Red-backed Shrike
Black Stork
Wood and Green Sandpipers
Osprey
Great Reed Warbler
Little Crake
Squacco Heron
Marsh Harrier
Whiskered Tern
Icterine Warbler
Long-legged Buzzard
Lesser Spotted Eagle
Short-toed Eagle
Collared Pratincole
European Roller
(Underlined species were new ones for me).

Mammals didn't fare too badly either with Wild Boar, Wild Cat (from the road), Roe Deer, Red Squirrel and an exremely rare Bulgarian Otter swimming around in flood water after 18 hours of terenchal rain.

Reptiles and Amphibians:

European Green Lizard
Eastern Hermann's Tortoise
Transdanubian Sand Viper
Fire-bellied Toad
Green Toad
European Pond Terrapin

Plenty of butterflies and moths too with Silver-washed Fritillary, Scarce Swallowtail, Marbled White, Clouded Yellow and Hummingbird Hawkmoth ubiquitous and a few other species which I haven't yet identified, ideas? (see below).

Not bad for a family holiday walking around near the house and staring out the car window!

Mike.

On what basis did you identify the E helleborine as that taxon?

Mark
 
On what basis did you identify the E helleborine as that taxon?

Mark

Hi Mark

Primarily through a process of elimination. No other Epipactis species similar enough to cause confusion occurs in this mountain range other than E. leptochila but as I've said, I don't think it is that species as the epichile was tucked under on about half of the flowers (I did think it might be var./subsp. 'neglecta' but don't think it's been recorded in Bulgaria) and they appeared to have functioning viscidia.

I assume you're thinking differently? Interesting to hear your thoughts.

Mike.
 
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I'm with Mark in doubting the identification as helleborine. They look remarkably like E leptochila, and conform closely to neglecta. I don't see viscidia on your picture?

There may, however be a delforgian "species" lurking somewhere that this is closest to. I haven't looked it up.

Regards


Sean
 
I'm with Mark in doubting the identification as helleborine. They look remarkably like E leptochila, and conform closely to neglecta. I don't see viscidia on your picture?

There may, however be a delforgian "species" lurking somewhere that this is closest to. I haven't looked it up.

Regards


Sean

Thanks Sean. I think the upper flowers had viscidia though obviously leptochila do sometimes have viscidia for a while on fresh flowers.

I've had a look at my Delforge 1995 edition but there don't seem to be any other 'species' recorded in bulgaria....not even leptochila is said to be found there even though it's definitely listed as scarce in the red data list for the country. Probs just out of date.

Epipogium is listed as scarce too and I was genuinely expecting to see one!

Mike.
 
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