Eagle Falconry (1 Viewer)

[CharleyBird]

I see there's an article in the Telegraph magazine today, haven't read it yet and know nothing about it, but thought someone might be interested to go get the paper...


Regards

 

[Barred Wobbler]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/outdoors/7206205/Eagle-falconry-flights-of-fancy.html

 

[Azzy]

I loved the article, really interesting to read about. Thanks for sharing.

 

[PaulD]

In case anyone feels this is all admirable stuff it might be worth bearing in mind that the Roy Lupton in this article is the same one who "rescued" a wild Golden Eagle after it had been seriously injured by one of his captive birds in Scotland in 2008.

He claims he tried to release the wild bird in January 2009 but was prevented by bad weather. By his own admission the wild eagle was fit to be released in January so it seems extremely surprising that it was still in his possession when the police visited him in May 2009.

No reason has been given for this inexplicable delay.

 

[acorn]

In case anyone feels this is all admirable stuff it might be worth bearing in mind that the Roy Lupton in this article is the same one who "rescued" a wild Golden Eagle after it had been seriously injured by one of his captive birds in Scotland in 2008.

He claims he tried to release the wild bird in January 2009 but was prevented by bad weather. By his own admission the wild eagle was fit to be released in January so it seems extremely surprising that it was still in possession when the police visited him in May 2009.

No reason has been given for this inexplicable delay.

Is that the Eagle the RSPCA Killed in their care:C.
Regards
Colin

 

[PaulD]

Is that the Eagle the RSPCA Killed in their care:C.
Regards
Colin

That's one way of looking at it! My view is:-

1. You should avoid flying captive Golden Eagles in the territory of wild ones, otherwise incidents like this are likely to happen.

2. If the eagle was fit enough to be released in January then it should have been released by February at the very latest. To still have it in captivity in May is extremely puzzling, and as I noted no explanation has been forthcoming for this inexplicable delay.

 

[acorn]

That's one way of looking at it! My view is:-

1. You should avoid flying captive Golden Eagles in the territory of wild ones, otherwise incidents like this are likely to happen.

2. If the eagle was fit enough to be released in January then it should have been released by February at the very latest. To still have it in captivity in May is extremely puzzling, and as I noted no explanation has been forthcoming for this inexplicable delay.

Pehaps Roy does not need to Justify why it was not released in feb, perhaps he, animal health and the vet involved thought it unwise.
Regards
Colin

 

[PaulD]

Pehaps Roy does not need to Justify why it was not released in feb, perhaps he, animal health and the vet involved thought it unwise.
Regards
Colin

Do you have any evidence to back up that suggestion? If you do then please publish it as I'd be genuinely interested to see it.

The fieldsports channel gave Mr Lupton several minutes of airtime to complain about how he was the victim in this affair and funnily enough there was no mention of Animal Health or the vet advising him that it was unwise to release the eagle after the January "attempt".

Similarly I'd be interested to know what the bad weather was that stopped the release in January - this is a Golden Eagle, not an exotic parrot!

 

[acorn]

:eek!:

Do you have any evidence to back up that suggestion? If you do then please publish it as I'd be genuinely interested to see it.

The fieldsports channel gave Mr Lupton several minutes of airtime to complain about how he was the victim in this affair and funnily enough there was no mention of Animal Health or the vet advising him that it was unwise to release the eagle after the January "attempt".

Similarly I'd be interested to know what the bad weather was that stopped the release in January - this is a Golden Eagle, not an exotic parrot!

Do you have any evidence to suggest, it was held in captivity with out good reason. Might be worth a read http://aolsearch.aol.co.uk/aol/search?s_it=sb_uk&q=Roy lupton golden eagle
Regards
Colin
Ps if it was also deemed ready, while did the RSPCA not release it and " care" for it for a month:eek!:

 

[PaulD]

The thing speaks for itself. If it was fit to be released in January then it should indeed have been released.

I view with a huge amount of scepticism the suggestion that an attempted release was foiled by bad weather. It invokes an unlikely scenario where they travelled all the way from Kent to the Highlands, looked at the weather, decided it wasn't suitable and went home.

So I'll ask again the question which you so obviously avoided answering - what evidence do you have that Animal Health or the vet advised him that it was unwise to release the eagle?

 

[Firecrest5]

Perhaps your scepticism could be countered by the fact that Animal Health released the eagle back into Mr Lupton's custody........

 

[PaulD]

Perhaps your scepticism could be countered by the fact that Animal Health released the eagle back into Mr Lupton's custody........

Perhaps it could, but clearly that doesn't answer the question of why an eagle which Mr Lupton said was fit to be released in January was still in his possession in May.

If Animal Health and the RSPCA made mistakes then they should have to answer for them, but clearly so should Mr Lupton and the inescapable fact is that:-
1. if he had taken more care in where he flew his captive eagle the wild bird would never have been injured in the first place.
2. if he had released the wild eagle when it was fit then there would have been no need for RSPCA to become involved.

 

[acorn]

1. if he had taken more care in where he flew his captive eagle the wild bird would never have been injured in the first place.
2. if he had released the wild eagle when it was fit then there would have been no need for RSPCA to become involved.

Again 1 untrue, it was one of Mr Luptons friends female golden eagle, that tangled with the wild one, that ended in Mr Luptons care. I find it a little strange why you feel Mr Lupton should Justify to you or anybody else in his endevours to get the eagle fit to go back into the wild, he should just answer to the authorities involed full stop.
Regards
Colin

 

[Adam W]

Is there any actual evidence to suggest that Mr Lupton has done anything wrong or is it just the case(as it all too often seems to be) that some people think that anybody involved in any form of field sport are automatically guilty of doing something illegal with raptors.

 

[PaulD]

Again 1 untrue, it was one of Mr Luptons friends female golden eagle, that tangled with the wild one, that ended in Mr Luptons care. I find it a little strange why you feel Mr Lupton should Justify to you or anybody else in his endevours to get the eagle fit to go back into the wild, he should just answer to the authorities involed full stop.
Regards
Colin

OK I'll alter item 1.

1. If they had taken more care in where they flew their captive eagles the wild eagle would never have been injured.

If Mr Lupton and his friends at the fieldsports channel etc are prepared to use this to in their words "give the RSPCA, RSPB and DEFRA a good kicking" then I think it is entirely reasonable that they should be prepared to give a full and accurate account and not choose to leave out important information.

They've been happy to seek publicity about this case, so they can hardly complain if they're asked to fill in some glaring gaps in the story.

Take a look at the way Mr Lupton is seen stroking and petting the eagle in the footage shown on the fieldsports channel (eg at 3 mins 37 secs in the footage), as it seems to be inappropriate for a bird which is intended to be released into the wild and doesn't seem to be compatible with his comment that he was worried the eagle was becoming acclimatised to people.

 

[acorn]

OK I'll alter item 1.

1. If they had taken more care in where they flew their captive eagles the wild eagle would never have been injured.

I doubt any falconer would have flown any BOP if they knew a wild eagle was present. Wild eagles being the top predator. And have been known to take falconers hawks.

If Mr Lupton and his friends at the fieldsports channel etc are prepared to use this to in their words "give the RSPCA, RSPB and DEFRA a good kicking" then I think it is entirely reasonable that they should be prepared to give a full and accurate account and not choose to leave out important information.

Perhaps he is quiet as the "legal Kicking is not yet over or complete" hence the silence.
Regards
Colin

 

[PaulD]

So they were prepared to put out an incomplete and one-sided story via fieldsports channel etc, but, when asked to fill in some unexplained gaps in the story, suddenly there are legal reasons preventing them.

Well let's see how forthcoming Mr Lupton is in due course about the unexplained delay in releasing the wild Gold Eagle. If there are genuine reasons for it then clearly he has nothing to hide and no reason for not clarifying the situation.

 

[Jacana]

brilliant article, thanks for sharing! My dad has always said once he retires he'd like to get into falconry, we've always enjoyed the shows

 

[acorn]

brilliant article, thanks for sharing! My dad has always said once he retires he'd like to get into falconry, we've always enjoyed the shows

Its a fantastic hobby/way of life, hope your dad gets the chance, he will enjoy it.
Regards
Colin

 

[Firecrest5]

Paul

Perhaps he is fighting fire with fire........

What are your thoughts concerning the apparent fact that Animal Health were prepared to have Mr Lupton charged with illegally possessing a golden eagle, denying all Mr Lupton's statements that he had kept AH fully informed about the eagle....when unfortunately for them he had taped recordings of all conversations held with them?

Also, if there was anything underhand going on why would Mr Lupton have phoned AH to tell them he was going to release the eagle in a week's time?

Doesn't add up really, does it??

If Mr Lupton and his friends at the fieldsports channel etc are prepared to use this to in their words "give the RSPCA, RSPB and DEFRA a good kicking" then I think it is entirely reasonable that they should be prepared to give a full and accurate account and not choose to leave out important information.