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Ducks - Noord-Holland Netherlands (1 Viewer)
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Joern Lehmhus
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Head shape is odd for both, so:
Why not a hybrid Tufted duck x Common pochard?
Some examples:
birdhybrids.blogspot.com
Why not a hybrid Tufted duck x Common pochard?
Some examples:
Common Pochard x Tufted Duck
Common Pochard x Tufted Duck hybrid, Barry (Glamorgan, UK), 9th November 2016 - copyright Thomas Winstone (photo ID: 3066) This is p...
birdhybrids.blogspot.com
Joern Lehmhus
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That is a variable hybrid which can have a lot of white around the base of the bill, but head shape would be a good fit...
If you have any other photos , please post them !
If you have any other photos , please post them !
Joern Lehmhus
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Most hybrids are more variable in their appearance than either parent species (an extreme example being the headpa ttern of hybrids between Mallard and Gadwall) , but some hybrids (eg. Pintail x Mallard) are not very variable.
In Tufted duck x Common pochard, there is considerable variation- but I would say not as much as in Mallard x Gadwall.
In Tufted duck x Common pochard, there is considerable variation- but I would say not as much as in Mallard x Gadwall.
Joern Lehmhus
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Yes , to me , with this head shape and bill pattern , it looks good for a hybrid Tufted duck x Common pochard
What is odd about the head shape? I can't see anything here which isn't explained by angle, individual variation. Perhaps I'm missing something obvious but looks like standard tufted duck to meHead shape is odd for both, so:
Why not a hybrid Tufted duck x Common pochard?
Some examples:
Common Pochard x Tufted Duck
Common Pochard x Tufted Duck hybrid, Barry (Glamorgan, UK), 9th November 2016 - copyright Thomas Winstone (photo ID: 3066) This is p...
Edit: I've not seen many but this doesn't look like a tufted x pochard to me
Joern Lehmhus
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I think the peaked crown looks much more like hybrid than like Tufted duck (we all agree it is not a pochard or a scaup , I think), compare with these males
The flanks seem rather grey to me and the eye is a brownish yellow color (which could certainly also fit for a young tufted duck)
There is no clear tuft visible, even where the wind goes into the head feathers from behind.
I agree it looks closer to Tufted duck, but due to the above I think hybrid , though the birds structure could also make this a backcross (Tufted x Pochard) x Tufted.
However , if you find a pure tufted duck that looks like this , I´ll have to rethink
The flanks seem rather grey to me and the eye is a brownish yellow color (which could certainly also fit for a young tufted duck)
There is no clear tuft visible, even where the wind goes into the head feathers from behind.
I agree it looks closer to Tufted duck, but due to the above I think hybrid , though the birds structure could also make this a backcross (Tufted x Pochard) x Tufted.
However , if you find a pure tufted duck that looks like this , I´ll have to rethink
Joern Lehmhus
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Meg 2772 , if you still have any more photos of the bird, no matter how bad, it could be helpfull
Hi Joern, thanks for the detailed replies. I do have some more photos indeed. There is one with some movement that shows the sides as well, albeit not in focus.
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Joern Lehmhus
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Have to say on these it looks better for Tufted duck !
Joern Lehmhus
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I think if the new pictures are more accurate , then it is not a hybrid , but a Tufted duck, and THE FERN , you were right questioning my initial ID. That shows again how tricky photos can be sometimes.
I assume the photos were taken under very windy conditions then?
I assume the photos were taken under very windy conditions then?
