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Crows in captivity (1 Viewer)

I am researching a book in which there is a captive crow. I know this is illegal (and for good reason!). Does anybody have any experience of this? I'd really appreciate any information whatsoever. PLEASE!
How would a captive crow behave if kept almost permanently in a cage and NEVER let outside?
What character traits would be observed in this species?
I know they can hide food/objects and remember where they are. Also, that they like to stand on people's heads.
Apparently, they can also mimic human speech.
Can they also imitate other sounds, such as a telephone?

Thanks!
 
Hi Lunar Tick,

Welcome to BirdForum!

Because crows are legally classified as pest species, it isn't illegal to keep them in captivity, and some people do. Not many, though, as they're strong birds which can wreak havoc if they so desire, attacking people, etc.

How it would behave in a cage will depend on a lot of things - the size of the cage, whether it is a captured wild bird or one raised in captivity from a nestling, how its owner behaves towards it, etc, etc. Too many variables to make any really useful guesses.

"I know they can hide food/objects and remember where they are. Also, that they like to stand on people's heads.
Apparently, they can also mimic human speech."

All true. Standing on peoples' heads, only if it is a friend of the person (i.e., that person raised it from a chick), or else to attack.

"Can they also imitate other sounds, such as a telephone?"
Almost certainly, yes.

Michael
 
Oh! I thought it was illegal - thanks very much for putting me straight! Oooops! So is it just in the US that it's a no-no?

Right, the crow in question has been found as a nestling - maybe a couple of days old.

The owner is very attentive - spends ages feeding it (every 10-20 minutes is the norm?), talks to it a lot, plays with it BUT rarely lets in out of its "house", which, dependent on the crow's age, ranges from a cardboard box to an aviary.

I would imagine that, like other wild animals in captivity, it would develop repetitive behaviour and be destructive. Would it ever be self-destructive?

What else might it do?

Apart from being cooped up in a cage, is there anything else it would dislike/find intolerable?

I really appreciate your help! Thank you!

I've heard of crows counting to four. How many syllables do you think it would be able to reproduce, realistically?
 
Thanks! I'll do that.

I understand crows imprint relatively easily. Is that right?

There's a very nice pub called The Falconer - perhaps I'll start there...it Friday after all.B :) B :)
 
"Oooops! So is it just in the US that it's a no-no?"
Yep, that's right - in America the American Crow (a different species to our Carrion Crow) is like almost all US-native birds fully protected

"found as a nestling - maybe a couple of days old"
That'll make it much better adapted to the conditions. If it has a large cage - large enough for it to take short flights in - it'll be reasonably happy. It'll also show all sorts of interesting behaviour, like being kind to its owner by searching out and bringing back nice tasty offerings like earthworms, caterpillars, bits of old meat, etc, and pushing them into the owner's mouth as special love-offerings (!!!). Another thing that crows do as a gesture of affection is to sit on the owner's shoulder and nibble his/her ear (so I've read, anyway!)

Read these tidbits of info in (if I remember rightly) a book by one of the early bird behaviour researchers, Niko Tinbergen or Konrad Lorenz or Derek Goodwin, one of them raised a crow as a pet to study its behaviour. Might be worth doing a search for a second-hand copy. Unfortunately I can't remember which book it was.

Michael
 
Thanks! That's absolutely brilliant. Greatly appreciated. I'll get on to it right away.

I'm getting quite into this. The only "bird experience" I'd had before was with a racing pigeon that I found on a table in my bedroom...he had an injured shoulder and I called him "Nelson" (original, eh?!). He used to sit on my shoulder and offer me revolting little treats. For some reason, he loved going in the car. Probably, he thought he was off to a race, when, in fact, he was just off to Spar.

The crow in question is female. Is it true that there's no external way of determining the sex of a crow? Just by its behaviour? God, Nelson could have been a girl!

Is there a special name for a female crow? Crowess?!

What would distinguish a female crow's behaviour from a male's? You're dealing with a novice here...I mean, I know she'd be the one laying the eggs and the doing the washing up but that's about as far as it goes!
 
Lunar Tick,

On behalf of admin and all the moderators, welcome to Bird Forum.

Interesting thread you have started here and, as you have discovered, BF members can usually step in with an answer to any question thrown at them!
 
The book is: "King Solomon's Ring" by Konrad Lorenz, but it's more about jackdaws, Lorenz had a colony of handreared Jackdaws on his roof. Well worth reading.
 
Thank you, Spar.

You are very lucky that you aren't dealing with a rabid feminist! Fear not! You're dealing with someone who should be doing something else, so I'm quite mellow really.

I HAD heard that crows were defying the term "bird-brained" (and I'm using the term "bird" in its ornithological sense!) and showing signs of unforeseen intelligence: tool making (females), as opposed to being tools(males)!

I can well believe that female crows are more vocal and demanding than the males. That's because the males "never listen" and are always "out with their friends", rather than staying in the nest and doing some DIY (in the B & Q sense) or having "quality time" with their offspring.

So can I take your word for it?! Crows are more like humans than I thought.
 
Brilliant, Lunar Tick.

You'll soon get used to the male chauvinists on BF. Just give them a taste of their own medicine and they soon back down.

Or they make a comment and then hide! Chickens!
 
As far as the U.S. goes, you all are right that it's illegal to keep crows as pets. Well, it's legal if you have a permit to do it, but you won't be able to get one. This is all federal law, as determined by an amendment to the Migratory Bird Treaty Act in the early 1970's. So, it's not a matter of being in the right state, either.

American law on the keeping of animals is strange. In many states you can own mountain lions, African lions, tigers, baboons, chimpanzees, etc. Lots of people own such animals; it's estimated, for example, that there are many more tigers in private American hands than exist in zoos and in the wild. Every couple of years, one reads a story about a jogger somewhere in southern Ohio who is injured by someone's loose tiger or lion. (How angry would you be to be injured by someone's African cat, for chrissakes?) Often you need no permits or license for these animals. But you can't have a pet crow.

Like many federal regulations, though, the government doesn't really have any effective means to enforce the prohibition on pet crows. So, there are plenty of them out there.

Many people who have rescued and hand-fed these birds keep them as pets. Often, these people let the crows fly around freely. In fact, all the pet crows I've heard about or seen live this way. Many such birds will stick with the human and his/her family of their own volition; there are stories of the birds flying back and forth calling while the kids are outside throwing a football around, that sort of thing.

I suppose you'd have to watch out if you lived in a rural area, as I do. Hunting crows is permitted in many states (one exception to the federal protections is killing birds to protect agricultural product). Farmers shoot a lot of crows. If your bird strays too far he might get capped.

Even hand-fed crows have been successfully released into the wild. That's something to consider doing.

Captivity for such a bird is a mixed bag. On the one hand, they're protected from violence, deprivation, and exposure. They could live much longer than they would in the wild. On the other hand, there are all of the frustrations that a captive bird is going to experience compared to his wild counterparts. Exactly how an aviary crow would behave, I just don't know. Problems that some of the larger parrots have in captivity are some guide, I guess. So, without knowing much about it, I suppose I would worry that a captive crow might pull feathers, bite, get cranky with its humans, become listless, that sort of thing. Still, I wouldn't have too much confidence that parrot behavior is predictive of crow behavior.
 
Have fun in B & Q, Spar. I went there this morning for some meths. (The drinks cabinet was empty.)You might see a couple of noteworthy birds on your way;) ;) !!! A yellow hammer, maybe?!
 
Thanks, Rational Parrot!

You made a lot of sense and it's confirmed the research I've done so far. I would imagine that the behaviour of all captive animals has similarities.

You've been a great help and it's greatly appreciated.
 
Howdy,

I've been a corvid enthusiast for about 4 years now. Recently a 'friend of mine' came across an orphaned crow on the side of the freeway and took it in to rehabilitate it. It was in between gapine and self feeding when it was found.

As far sa behaviors go, 'my friend' has only had it for 3 days now, so the consitency of observed behavior isn't concrete yet. However Po (the baby crow's name) seems to already be mimicking human speech such as "hello" and "hi" and actually seems to relate those noises to "food". It will open it's mouth as soon as 'my friend' says "hi" or "hello" and will repeat it until food is placed in it's mouth.

I'll keep you updated as to how it's behavior developes over time. 'My friend' is keeping an active research journal to document the entire process, and I could gladly send you a copy of that once it becomes more complete.

You can email me at [email protected] if need be.


One love.

Blessings
 
Hi Corvine and welcome to BirdForum from those of us on staff here at BirdForum :t:

Just be aware, without the proper permits it is a Federal offense to keep a crow in the USA
 
KCFoggin said:
Hi Corvine and welcome to BirdForum from those of us on staff here at BirdForum :t:

Just be aware, without the proper permits it is a Federal offense to keep a crow in the USA

yeah i'll be sure to let my friends know.

he's just keeping it for rehabilitation purposes then he'll release it.
 
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