Canon ID Mark 4 or Canon EOS 7D ? (1 Viewer)

[kuzeycem]

Hi;

Right know I can't decide between two Canon bodies to buy, obviously for bird photographing. I've asked this question a couple of times already to other people but couldn't get a clear answer...

Honestly, I'm not the best photographer and I don't understand much of the photography terms. I just want to take pretty shots 3

The general qualities I look for in a camera is:

- Must be able to get relatively nice pics within a distance (which is a pro for Canon EOS 7D as it has x1.6)

- The general image quality must be fairly good, the photos must show at least some detail, it must be fairly sharp etc.

- The ISO must be developed so I can still shoot under bad light

- Must shoot rather fast so I don't miss "the moment"

- Noise of the pics must be fairly low (when cropping or in high ISO)

- And it the price must be sensible (which is not a quality of IDM4 but 7D)

These bodies will be used with Canon 400mm f/5.6.

Thanks and regards from Turkey o

 

[hampers]

Personally I would say 1D. I use 1DmkIII with same lens and the results are great. the MkIV is even better. Plus you can use a 1.4x convertor and still get af on the 1D without taping pins, I find the results and af speed to be very acceptable.

You will of course get different views.

Regards


Phil

 

[johnf3f]

Personally I would say 1D. I use 1DmkIII with same lens and the results are great. the MkIV is even better. Plus you can use a 1.4x convertor and still get af on the 1D without taping pins, I find the results and af speed to be very acceptable.

You will of course get different views.

Regards


Phil

Not from me!
A friend bought the 1D3 in preference to the 7d and was very pleased he did so. However when he tried my 1D4 he upgraded again as soon as finances would allow!
The 7d is a good camera and many get VERY good results with it, it is just not in the same league as the 1D4. Try them side by side and you will pretty quickly make up your mind and get the 1D4 (so long as the weight isn't a problem!).
I do not have a 400F5.6 but I do have L Lenses from 17mm to 800mm and the 1D4 performs superbly on all of them as you would expect! Also I have found no need for the AF micro adjust facility.

 

[mikenott]

I have used both the 7D and the 1DIV. I now use the 1DIV much more. The 7D has the option to set C1,C2, C2 custom settings which you can configure for static birds or BIF so that changing from C1 to C3 can deliver suitable settings more quickly. With the 1D you have to learn to use and it takes time, but the flexibility it provides is worth the investment of time to learn them.

I have given my PERSONAL scores for the 7D and the 1D for each factor you listed below along with a weighting factor to indicate how important I think each is for bird photography. I am sure others will have a different opinion, but these are mine. They may well prompt some discussion!

As an aside, the 1D is a pro body - stronger, more robust, bigger, heavier, bigger longer lasting battery

Michael.

Hi;

Right know I can't decide between two Canon bodies to buy, obviously for bird photographing. I've asked this question a couple of times already to other people but couldn't get a clear answer...

Honestly, I'm not the best photographer and I don't understand much of the photography terms. I just want to take pretty shots 3

The general qualities I look for in a camera is:

- Must be able to get relatively nice pics within a distance (which is a pro for Canon EOS 7D as it has x1.6) 7D 9 1D 8 (Weighting 0.5x) On paper this looks important, but in practice is not that much of an issue when cropping. I "think" the !D has better pixel density so this helps. This has never been an issue for me.

- The general image quality must be fairly good, the photos must show at least some detail, it must be fairly sharp etc. 7D 8 1D 10 (Weighting 2x) Both cameras are good, but the 1D edges it with its image quality.

- The ISO must be developed so I can still shoot under bad light. 7D 6 iD 10 (Weighting 2x). This is one of the key features of the 1D. If you are shooting in Florida sunshine it is not important, but in a typical English climate it can be very significant.

- Must shoot rather fast so I don't miss "the moment" 7D 8 1D 9 (Weighting 1x) Both are fast enough and your skill in pressing the button at the right time is probably more important!

- Noise of the pics must be fairly low (when cropping or in high ISO) Same answer as for ISO above.

- And it the price must be sensible (which is not a quality of IDM4 but 7D) You pays your money and takes your pick. If the scoring hits the points you want, you spend the money.

These bodies will be used with Canon 400mm f/5.6.

Thanks and regards from Turkey o

 

[hampers]

I didn't say I had a 7D prior to the MkIII and I totally agree with both responses.

 

[kuzeycem]

Now thank you all for your kind responses.

There are a few things that bug me about Canon ID Mark IV; with it's price being the most noticeable problem.

I am not particularly good at getting close to birds and I usually crop the photos I take. From that point of view, 7D is a match.

However, the noise is also a major problem, which I get from these responses as 1DM4 is fairly more developed at this point than 7D.

Also this will be my first machine and I don't know if it would be the right choice to start with this sort of "heavy" camera (1DM4).

 

[hampers]

Whilst there is a difference in crop factor I believe this is, almost, balanced out by the quality from the 1D - as alluded to above by Mike. It has never been an issue for me. On the otherhand noise has and I found the 7D to have noise at over 400iso.

I think I would be wary of going to a 1D as my first body though, they are not as configurable as the 7D for different scenario's, again noted above. Its much more of a manual process. Having said that if you haven't known anything else you do not have anything to compare with and it does become 2nd nature in time.

To me, personally, the 1D is worth every penny. There will be others who disagree with this. A major factor for me in uk is weatherproofing, my 1D is excellent.

Good luck whichever way you go, doubt you will have many issues with light quality in Turkey compared to UK.

Phil

 

[kuzeycem]

Whilst there is a difference in crop factor I believe this is, almost, balanced out by the quality from the 1D - as alluded to above by Mike. It has never been an issue for me. On the otherhand noise has and I found the 7D to have noise at over 400iso.

I think I would be wary of going to a 1D as my first body though, they are not as configurable as the 7D for different scenario's, again noted above. Its much more of a manual process. Having said that if you haven't known anything else you do not have anything to compare with and it does become 2nd nature in time.

To me, personally, the 1D is worth every penny. There will be others who disagree with this. A major factor for me in uk is weatherproofing, my 1D is excellent.

Good luck whichever way you go, doubt you will have many issues with light quality in Turkey compared to UK.

Phil

Thank you for your comment. I have done some research. 1DM4 seems very impressive but I don't think I can handle it as a first body, I prefer a simple use (that's why I always choose iPhone over Samsung Galaxy's).

Also I have a limited budget and I also will buy the lens (don't have it yet, will buy together with the machine).

I think I'm leaning towards 7D here. Maybe as I improve my skills I might have a shot on 1DM4 or it's relatives that will come in the future.

Thanks for your interest...

 

[mikenott]

Good decision in my view. You can always upgrade later - like many of us have done

Michael.

 

[hampers]

Good decision in my view. You can always upgrade later - like many of us have done

Michael.

Totally agree. I very much doubt you would regret 7D and 400 f.6, superb combination as many on this forum will agree. Especially with the great light you will have in Turkey.

Phil

 

[GYRob]

Im sure you will be happy, the 7d is a great camera all round but a very good birding camera .
Also by the time your ready to upgrade the 7dmkII should be out so you wont have spent too much in the first place.

Rob.

 

[kuzeycem]

Thanks, I hope better cameras wil be released as I'm ready for an upgrade.

BTW did you mean Canon 400mm f 5.6 by saying "f6"?

 

[hampers]

I did, finger trouble.

 

[kuzeycem]

Well that is actually a huge relief, as I though I was buying the wrong lens or something

Thank you all for help, I'm ordering my Canon EOS 7D + Canon 400mm f 5.6 on 17th of July; hope I can share some of my first photos here.

 

[johnf3f]

Personally I find the 1D4 to be much easier to use than most other Canon cameras, but that is because I have learnt to use it's menu system and now other bodies seem too complicated! However it can be a bit daunting at first!
You will not go wrong with the 7d, yes it has some limitations compared to the 1D4 but it is much cheaper and lighter. If you do your part the 7D will deliver very good results - the photographer is far more important than the camera.

 

[kuzeycem]

Thank you. I am set to go for a 7D.

Also this Canon EOS 5D Mark III keeps bugging me too, but I then remember that Canon EOS 7D's 1.6 crop factor (which is important for me) and get relaxed

 

[johnf3f]

Thank you. I am set to go for a 7D.

Also this Canon EOS 5D Mark III keeps bugging me too, but I then remember that Canon EOS 7D's 1.6 crop factor (which is important for me) and get relaxed

If you can get a little closer then the 5D3 will reward you with excellent images and at higher ISO! Remember you don't necessarily have to get up close and personal with wildlife to get good shots, many photographers like to show their subject in it's environment which can often be more effective. However if you are after small birds then reach is more important.

 

[kuzeycem]

If you can get a little closer then the 5D3 will reward you with excellent images and at higher ISO! Remember you don't necessarily have to get up close and personal with wildlife to get good shots, many photographers like to show their subject in it's environment which can often be more effective. However if you are after small birds then reach is more important.

My ideal is to get close and detailed shots of any sorts of birds, esecially passerines

 

[johnf3f]

My ideal is to get close and detailed shots of any sorts of birds, esecially passerines

Not too well up on bird terminology (sorry - photographer not birder) but I assume you mean the cute LITTLE jobs that won't stay still for more than a few seconds! If so then my recipe is a 1D4 and an 800 F5.6 + an extension tube to allow closer minimum focus distance.

Perhaps you can get closer than I can!